Prop 8 overturned

[GreenKirby]

A federal judge has overturned California's voter-approved ban on gay marriage, saying it violates both the due-process clause and the equal-protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

Judge Vaughn Walker wrote that Prop. 8 "fails to advance any rational basis in singling out gay men and lesbians for denial of a marriage license." You can read the decision here.

The case, which was the first federal test of a state law outlawing gay marriage, will almost certainly be appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Most court watchers think it will eventually end up in the Supreme Court.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upsho.../federal-judge-overturns-prop-8-in-california

Okay guys, let's start the homosexualization of America by having that gay orgy we all planned.

Tis a good day for equality.

 

[Fuelbi]

This is indeed a victory for us hispanics

There will be a day where we will rule the world and we will consider whether or not the Americans die

 

[Metal~Mario]

Let me know when it arrives to the Supreme Court so we can put this to bed.

After all, neither side will end this until such a day comes.

 

[Bassoonist]

Finally!

I can't believe it was even allowed to exist in the first place. This better be permanent. Permanent forever. It is truly an embarrassment that this ever existed.

 

[Jim Morrison]

I can't believe they didn't let this bill pass. It's what the majority wants and it's only the right thing to do to ban an atrocity.

 

[GreenKirby]

The majority also wanted interracial marriages to be banned as well.
The majority were more than willing to eradicate Native Americans.

Newsflash kid, the majority is not always right.

 

[Bassoonist]

I can't believe they didn't let this bill pass. It's what the majority wants and it's only the right thing to do to ban an atrocity.

The thing is, Prop 8 shouldn't have ever existed to be voted on. It was very unconstitutional and wrong to begin with.

If the majority wanted slavery and somehow got something pushed for it you would honestly say it would be wrong to overturn that? (Note: I'm not saying that's possible or even comparable to gay marriage being banned, so don't go there.)

 

[Jim Morrison]

Way to force what you think is right up on the majority of the people. Right is not objective, you can't say "the masses are not right". To me, you're not right either.


That's like asking if we should go to California or Arizona. Most people vote California, but the person in charge chooses to take them to Arizona anyway. That's ********, don't even ask if you don't want to go with the majority.

EDIT: Bassoonist, I don't know. Who knows what would have happened. I'm not advocating slavery, but it was only done out of man-made morals that a few knights strive to achieve.

Personally, I'm more about personal gain than caring for others.

 

[UberMario]

I can't believe they didn't let this bill pass. It's what the majority wants and it's only the right thing to do to ban an atrocity.

I'd rather have it banned in the whole country, it's not even funny or natural.

It saddens me that it's becoming legal in more and more countries (not saying it wasn't already legal at the point of this overturning) and I don't really understand why they feel they have to do that. I understand religious differences but this is totally unexceptable imo. especially since comics and tv shows are starting to shove it down our throats too.

I'm glad none of my friends are *** because they wouldn't be friends for much longer if they were . . . . .

As for P8 conflicting with an already existing statement, I'm going to remain more-or-less silent on how I feel about the 14th Amendment basically being twisted to endorse homosexuality, but from the rest of the post it should be pretty easy to determine my standing.

 

[thegreatkazoo]

This is indeed a victory for us hispanics

There will be a day where we will rule the world and we will consider whether or not the Americans die

Lolwut? :S

I really don't get all of this.

Don't get too excited: This will likely appeal itself to the Supreme Court. So stay tuned.

 

[CRASHiC]

I can't believe they didn't let this bill pass. It's what the majority wants and it's only the right thing to do to ban an atrocity.

Legality has NOTHING to do with the majority. In fact, we have stipulations within our constitution that state that majority's desires are in no way comparable to human rights, and we have constitutional amendments that protect the right of those who go against the majority. Morality has nothing to do with legality. Popular opinion has nothing to do with legality, only the inalienably rights.

 

[GreenKirby]

I'd rather have it banned in the whole country, it's not even funny or natural.

It saddens me that it's becoming legal in more and more countries (not saying it wasn't already legal at the point of this overturning) and I don't really understand why they feel they have to do that. I understand religious differences but this is totally unexceptable imo. especially since comics and tv shows are starting to shove it down our throats too.

I'm glad none of my friends are *** because they wouldn't be friends for much longer if they were . . . . .

As for P8 conflicting with an already existing statement, I'm going to remain more-or-less silent on how I feel about the 14th Amendment basically being twisted to endorse homosexuality, but from the rest of the post it should be pretty easy to determine my standing.

Please tell me you're joking.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Yeah, I just skipped over Santo Amonico's posts thinking "wow what an obvious troll" but now UberMario of all people is agreeing with him?

I have a stomachache now

 

[UberMario]

Please tell me you're joking.

I am not, but why should I be? There are plenty of people against it out there, including myself.

Yeah, I just skipped over Santo Amonico's posts thinking "wow what an obvious troll" but now UberMario of all people is agreeing with him?

I have a stomachache now

I didn't agree with the "majority wants it so it should be so" part, just the last eleven words of his statement. (Whether people agree with me or not) I didn't even say I backed up his statement, I merely quoted it.

 

[Luigitoilet]

that's not the sentiment I was referring to

 

[SkylerOcon]

Man, I heard this on the radio today, and I couldn't stop smiling for like 10 minutes!

@UberMario: Why exactly do you not agree with homosexuality?

@Everyone: Keep this civil, because I will not be issuing any warnings - you will be infracted, and it will not take very much at all to get infracted here.

 

[CRASHiC]

Ya know, my favorite part of this thread is that UberMario thinks that gay marriage should be banned nationally because its neither "funny or natural"

ps. over 400 animals have homosexual relations. Reguardless, what is natural is none of the laws concern. Killing is natural, male dominance is natural, none of these concern the law. The law is only interested in protecting rights of the individual, and in keeping functioning government and finance systems.

 

[GreenKirby]

It's even more ironic when you consider marriage in general isn't natural.

 

[Lore]

Legality has NOTHING to do with the majority. In fact, we have stipulations within our constitution that state that majority's desires are in no way comparable to human rights, and we have constitutional amendments that protect the right of those who go against the majority. Morality has nothing to do with legality. Popular opinion has nothing to do with legality, only the inalienably rights.

God I love you. Do you mind if I quote this? That's pretty much exactly what I was about to say in here.

@Ubermario: Are you against homosexuality for religous reasons?

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I am not, but why should I be? There are plenty of people against it out there, including myself.



I didn't agree with the "majority wants it so it should be so" part, just the last eleven words of his statement. (Whether people agree with me or not) I didn't even say I backed up his statement, I merely quoted it.

What do you have against homosexuals? Why are they so inferior to you that you are allowed to marry someone that you love but they aren't?

 

[S l o X]

Don't feed the trolls.

People will believe whatever others want them to believe. That's what happens when your force fed information as a child.

lol @ "funny and natural"

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

He's not a troll. I'm seriously wondering what he has against homosexuals. I've never understood arguments against gay marriage.

 

[DTP]

I'd rather have it banned in the whole country, it's not even funny or natural.

It saddens me that it's becoming legal in more and more countries (not saying it wasn't already legal at the point of this overturning) and I don't really understand why they feel they have to do that. I understand religious differences but this is totally unexceptable imo. especially since comics and tv shows are starting to shove it down our throats too.

As for P8 conflicting with an already existing statement, I'm going to remain more-or-less silent on how I feel about the 14th Amendment basically being twisted to endorse homosexuality, but from the rest of the post it should be pretty easy to determine my standing.

lol^

Everyone has their own opinions and ideals I suppose. Not about to argue with it.

I'm glad none of my friends are *** because they wouldn't be friends for much longer if they were . . . . .

I thought this was a bit harsh though.

What is your reasoning for not wanting/willing to accept homosexuality?
Because for someone to say this they must REALLY not like the idea of people being gay.

I mean, would you actually ditch a friend, maybe a best friend that you've known for a very long time, just because you find out he's gay? You'd honestly wouldn't consider that person a friend purely based off of his sexuality, regardless of the good times you've shared in the past and how much trust you have in each other?

Sorry, but if you stand by this, then that would make you extremely childish and somewhat elitist.



I just want a little explanation here lol

 

[El Nino]

I don't know who is a troll or who isn't, so I'm going to play it straight.

Legislation is evaluated on the basis of rational values; in order for a law to be effective, it is judged based on how beneficial it is to society in concrete terms. Judge Walker overturned Prop 8 because he found that it failed the rational basis test, the lowest level of requirement for a law.

Even if same-sex marriage were made legal, it would not in any way hinder the rights of individuals to live according to their private morals, whether those morals support or condemn homosexual behavior. Even if same-sex marriage were legal, you as an individual still have the right to be a bigot. You can break ties with former close friends, disown your own family members and children who are of legal age, and refuse to associate with anyone who practices a lifestyle you disagree with. The only exception being if you are employed as an agent of the government or in the field of medicine or something of that nature. But your line of work is your choice, and it is your responsibility to choose a line of work that does not conflict with your personal beliefs.

Alternatively, a same-sex marriage ban would hinder the rights of certain individuals to live according to their morals.

Judge Walker's decision included the statement that private morals alone are not sufficient to form the basis of legislation. There must be something else, something that can be more quantitatively measured as either beneficial or detrimental to the government or to society to justify the state investing time and money into enforcing a piece of legislation. In this case, he found there to be none.

 

[SuperBowser]

Cool this is good news

However, it doesn't sound like this actually legalizes same-sex marriage. They simply removed a bad law.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Oh wow, someone actually agreed with me. Yeah, I wasn't actually being serious... Got two gay uncles and a lesbian aunt, so kinda hard to be hatin' on em. My aunt got married this year

 

[SuperBowser]

Haha, I thought you were joking. The first line of your second post was just too good

 

[S l o X]

He's not a troll. I'm seriously wondering what he has against homosexuals. I've never understood arguments against gay marriage.

Oh wow, someone actually agreed with me. Yeah, I wasn't actually being serious... Got two gay uncles and a lesbian aunt, so kinda hard to be hatin' on em. My aunt got married this year

. . . Right. Maybe not 'trollin' but he definitely wasn't serious. The kids like 10 years old, his opinions aren't set in stone yet anyway. Uber on the other hand . . .

 

[M.K]

I'm glad this is overturned. Honestly, there are so many more problems that come from banning gay marriage than just allowing it. I'm not exactly "YAY GAYS" but just allowing it solves many of this nation's social problems.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

. . . Right. Maybe not 'trollin' but he definitely wasn't serious. The kids like 10 years old, his opinions aren't set in stone yet anyway. Uber on the other hand . . .

I was talking about Uber, I quoted him in my post.

I know Guus (Santo Amancio), we talk pretty frequently. I thought it was obvious he was trolling but I guess not.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

I didn't know Uber hates gays.

Can we have our big gay homo raves now?

 

[Zook]

lol Poor Uber.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

I'm still waiting for his answer.

 

[jugfingers]

haha gay people are pretty silly.

 

[Zolga Owns]

This just needs to be taken to the Supreme Court to settle this once and for all.
I'm glad that monstrosity was finally overturned.

 

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[Dodongo]

[they] are starting to shove it down our throats too.

hahahahaha


I'm pretty relieved that Prop 8 has been overturned. I think it was a national embarrassment that it ever existed at all.

In my opinion, government and law should have nothing to do with marriage. Making it an institution is a misrepresentation of the complex relationships two people can have.

 

[CRASHiC]

Marriage is nothing more than the legal bonding of two people, their estates, and collected wealth. This is why some feminist are against marriage.

 

[UberMario]

@UberMario: Why exactly do you not agree with homosexuality?

It just extremely disturbs me, especially since it, at least when it comes to males, eventually will probably imply that they will . . . . well . . . . I'm not going to say, but you probably know what I mean when it comes to sex.

It's even more ironic when you consider marriage in general isn't natural.

That actually isn't true, birds of prey in particular mate for life, as do several other species.

What do you have against homosexuals? Why are they so inferior to you that you are allowed to marry someone that you love but they aren't?

Did I say they were inferior? No, but, as someone had said on another site, "the parts fit for a reason", my real reason for hating it is the sex implications, and the fact that people sometimes not use the "default" (if you know what I mean) kind it's very offputting to me, even when it's in between a heterosexual pair.

I thought this was a bit harsh though.

What is your reasoning for not wanting/willing to accept homosexuality?
Because for someone to say this they must REALLY not like the idea of people being gay.

See the response to Vrael above.

I mean, would you actually ditch a friend, maybe a best friend that you've known for a very long time, just because you find out he's gay? You'd honestly wouldn't consider that person a friend purely based off of his sexuality, regardless of the good times you've shared in the past and how much trust you have in each other?

I have a similar standpoint with drugs, if one of my friends started to take, erm, stuff (I don't mind beer or wine drinkers at all) I'd most likely not stick around them much longer if I knew. Though that is more-or-less because I don't want to become addicted to ANYTHING of the sort like that, especially when it's not actually legal.

As sad as it is to say it, friends are not always forever, one of my very best friends for many years suddenly started to hate me for no apparent reason a couple years ago, and he never talked to me again. I never did find out what was wrong and neither did any of my other friends.

@Ubermario: Are you against homosexuality for religous reasons?

Perhaps, but I just in general don't like it even without thinking from a religious standpoint.

Also, what I meant by "it's not even funny" is that it seems more and more shows use a gay character for comedic purposes. (See CollegeHumor, Family Guy, etc.) "Natural" might not have been the best word to put since there are homosexual animals (and I don't mean earthworms and snails), but the percentage of homosexual people in the world population in comparison with that documented in animals is strikingly higher.

Sorry, but if you stand by this, then that would make you extremely childish and somewhat elitist.

Call it what you want, I just feel strongly toward my opinion and I hope you guys kind of understand why I feel that way.

 

[L/A/W]

this is great
haha get out of here uber mario there's nothing wrong with homosexuals
you just dislike that they don't use the "default" so they shouldn't be allowed to marry?