Project M Social Thread

[L/A/W]

make the tornado be on ph1r3

 

[I R MarF]

In regards to tether recoveries. (I think someone may have already said something like this) But you should just have the character propel to the tip of their tether if they failed to make contact with a ledge. That way, they are slightly harder to gimp and makes their recoveries more versatile.

Olimar's "tether propel" should be dependent on how long his pikmin chain is, if possible.

 

[Wind Owl]

Idea for Ivysaur: Razor Wind? Apparently it can learn it in G/S through breeding, so...Ivy, I dunno, spins its leaves really fast to create wind?

You want her to have a Rachel Alucard recovery?

In regards to tether recoveries. (I think someone may have already said something like this) But you should just have the character propel to the tip of their tether if they failed to make contact with a ledge. That way, they are slightly harder to gimp and makes their recoveries more versatile.

Olimar's "tether propel" should be dependent on how long his pikmin chain is, if possible.

Hm, this actually sounds doable.

 

[Shell]

Some of you are underestimating how hard it is to gimp tether characters.

And Lolymoar's tether has always been dependent on number of pikmangz since vBrawl.

 

[CountKaiser]

Lolymar wouldn't be so lulzy if it were possible to implement my idea for him, where his pikmin do 10 and 20 percent more damage when they turn into a bud or flower respectively. Unfortunately, TSON says there's no flag for that, only a float that determines how long it takes for a pikmin to turn into a bud or flower, which isn't accessible via PSA.

Though I have an idea for a workaround. There's probably a variable that states how long a pikmin has been alive, so maybe you could base the power boost on that. I've figured out that it takes 1200 frames (20 seconds) for a pikmin to change.

I really hope there's a way to implement this, because it would give oli players incentive to not think of pikmin as disposable projectiles.

 

[shanus]

Lolymar wouldn't be so lulzy if it were possible to implement my idea for him, where his pikmin do 10 and 20 percent more damage when they turn into a bud or flower respectively. Unfortunately, TSON says there's no flag for that, only a float that determines how long it takes for a pikmin to turn into a bud or flower, which isn't accessible via PSA.

Though I have an idea for a workaround. There's probably a variable that states how long a pikmin has been alive, so maybe you could base the power boost on that. I've figured out that it takes 1200 frames (20 seconds) for a pikmin to change.

I really hope there's a way to implement this, because it would give oli players incentive to not think of pikmin as disposable projectiles.

Check if there is any function that constantly increments (12040100 or 12030100) in pikmin that keeps track of their time alive. I doubt there will be, but if there is, it might be useful

 

[JCaesar]

I don't think it would make the slightest difference tbh. Greatly restricting your moveset for very little reward? Meh.

I have no problem with adding it in but I don't see it changing the way Olimar is played.

 

[shanus]

Personally, I would like to turn olimar into Scorpion from Mortal Kombat. His grab would always play the GET OVER HERE sound effects, as well.


Thoughts?

 

[humble]

When the ledge is unoccupied, the tether stretches to the ledge, right? I'm wondering whether when the ledge is occupied, you could make it so the tether still goes to the ledge, but now it has a hitbox that knocks the opponent off the ledge, and the tether then grabs the ledge.

I support the idea of when using tether not to the ledge, then the character flies to the sweetspot. It gives them a solid recovery as well.

I also support the idea of Olimar's pikmin strengthening, though not to that degree, probably by 3-5%, not 10-20%.

Shanus, I don't play Mortal Kombat, how would oli be like Scorpion?

 

[ThatGuyYouMightKnow]

You've never seen Scorpion use his spear?

Your parents (or you) should be slapped. Where do they (or you) live, I'll come over with....THE CAR I DON'T HAVE!

;____________________________________________________________;

 

[CountKaiser]

Guy, you're black. Steal one.

10% and 20% seem good to me, since it takes nearly a full minute for the pikmin to reach full strength.

 

[Rikana]

Guy is also a pokemon.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

In regards to tether recoveries. (I think someone may have already said something like this) But you should just have the character propel to the tip of their tether if they failed to make contact with a ledge. That way, they are slightly harder to gimp and makes their recoveries more versatile.

Olimar's "tether propel" should be dependent on how long his pikmin chain is, if possible.

This.
10Thises

 

[superyoshi888]

Guy, you're black. Steal one.

Guy is also a pokemon.

.....

WILD GUY appeared! WILD GUY used CAR THEFT! It's SUPER EFFECTIVE!

Pikmin that grow over time? So basically, Lucario's Aura except you can remove it by killing the Pikmin. Hmm, I could see it working.

Spoiler

lolwildguy

 

[stingers]

lol that's something for brawl-. not project m. i swear, you guys...

 

[Fatality1337Falcon]

Hey shanus, i sent you a message and i was hoping you would read it.

Also I have an idea for Project M . What if Bowser was given a hybrid side special, it would work like koopa klaw, except you could still koopa-hop with it. when you grabbed a player, you could press A to bite like melee, make his forward and back tilt out of it the same, but tilt up to do his brawl side special attack. this would make him more mobile, and more balanced. he still eats combos due to his weight, but this would make him a set-up and punish type of character. that along with power buffs to his main kill moves and JC dash attack. I think that would give him a familiar, yet fresh feel that would fit right into the Pm cast. keep his attacks slow to not overpower his offense. Comments plz.

 

[Wind Owl]

Old/10. SHeLL and others have been trying to do this for a week.

 

[Fatality1337Falcon]

the koopa klaw thing?

Old/10. SHeLL and others have been trying to do this for a week.

trying to do what part of my idea?

 

[Wind Owl]

Everything you said about Klaw.

 

[CountKaiser]

lol that's something for brawl-. not project m. i swear, you guys...

What is, pikmin getting stronger over time?

What's so ridiculous about it? It rewards Oli players for carefully using their pikmin and not letting them get killed. It's supposed to stop Olimars from constantly Side Bing.

 

[Wind Owl]

Um, I have to disagree with you there. They're not his children; in the context of this game they're his projectiles and he shouldn't have to raise them just to make them better. Balancing it would be hard, and it would encourage Olimar to be overly conservative in a very aggressive environment.

 

[stingers]

should we make falco's laser charge up over time so that if you don't use it long enough it gets super strong? it'll stop him from constantly neutral Bing, we obviously dont want that

 

[CountKaiser]

Sorry, I was simply trying to bring something from his game into this game. That seems to be a trend with this project (Offense Up, Snake being good at CQC, Rapid Spin, Ivy's Absorb Pummel).

 

[L/A/W]

should we make falco's laser charge up over time so that if you don't use it long enough it gets super strong? it'll stop him from constantly neutral Bing, we obviously dont want that

no we shouldn't

 

[Wind Owl]

Lol, stingers was providing a hypothetical counterexample to Kaiser's Olimar proposal. He wasn't saying we should.

 

[L/A/W]

oh haha there both bad ideas but now i feel stupid:embarrass

 

[iLink]

Here are some videos that Sneak put if you guys didn't catch them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxJgRa--_oc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXR7N6WZLh0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMzjGmQZ22A


Also Jiang, you should totally bring this to some NorCal tourneys XP There would be plenty of people here who would be interested in it.

 

[CountKaiser]

If I can find what causes the pikmin to change animation, maybe the power increase can be based upon how many times a pikmin hits someone.

 

[genkaku]

I'm a little interested in hitting someone off a ledge and grabbing it for tethers, but the other suggestions seem too... over the top. And even this one seems to defeat the purpose of tethers, which look to be designed to be fairly situational in use.
It's not like everyone has to have a recovery that's very good or with many options. There were plenty of limited recoveries in melee, if you'll recall.

By the way, Falcon's "YES" when hitting with the knee is awesome.

 

[Glöwworm]

how has the melee community input on this been so far lately? I know you guys currently have pro melee players test driving Project M but you should go out of your way and get as many Melee players play this as possible.

 

[stRIP]

Back to the Lucario Sword Dance idea, i frkin lurve itttttt

 

[stingers]

does ivysaur really have an absorb pummel?

sighhhhhhhhhhh

i'm afraid to ask what rapid spin is.

don't tell me charizard still has brawl- stealth rock...

 

[Shell]

how has the melee community input on this been so far lately? I know you guys currently have pro melee players test driving Project M but you should go out of your way and get as many Melee players play this as possible.

Since this game is designed for competitive play, we're working our way from the top down getting feedback. That's not to say that feedback from the entire community isn't important, it's just easier right now to manage feedback from a smaller group of experienced professionals than to try and manage a large group of feedback from everyone. We already get occasional duplicate reports of bugs, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's just that if you multiply this by a hundred it gets difficult to manage.

With that said, we do listen to community feedback on gameplay at any tournies it's taken to, and we do listen to feedback posted on videos or discussion here.

does ivysaur really have an absorb pummel?

sighhhhhhhhhhh

i'm afraid to ask what rapid spin is.

don't tell me charizard still has brawl- stealth rock...

A word of advice -- don't keep your mind so narrow that you hate on the WIP Ivy. People hated on a ton of our Snake ideas (one grenade?! That will ruin the character!) and he's now one of the most hyped characters in the project. We're not afraid to think outside the box especially for brawl newcomers if we think the result will be something unique, enjoyable, and competitive in the environment we're creating.

I'm not certain that this Lucario idea would even make it into testing since it looks like it'd be very challenging or impossible to code all of those subactions and extra hitboxes, but the point is that we'll at least listen to and entertain every idea. All of our ideas go through lots of playtesting by Melee players who love Melee, and if they don't like an idea then it's taken out. I'm rather surprised that you haven't learned that by now.

tl:dr... Haters gonna hate.

 

[Dark Sonic]

don't tell me charizard still has brawl- stealth rock...

Charizard never had stealth rock.

 

[L/A/W]

Charizard never had stealth rock.

brawl minus added rocks that hovered in the air after he used rock smash and called it stealth rocks

 

[Plum]

I'm not going to risk Swords Dance Lucario with the ever present threat of Gliscor/Rotoms/Gengar/Scarftran!
I would much rather be running Agility Lucario to take out all of his counters! Close Combat, Ice Punch, Crunch... Try using your standard counters now!

/Pokemon

It would be hilarious from a competitive Pokemon player standpoint if Charizard could use the one move that ruins any chance he will ever have of being used on a competitive Pokemon team. (I miss OU/BL Charizard )

 

[bleyva]

not sure how much work has been done on luigi, but will he still retain the ridiculous vertical distance on his tornado, as well as the horizontal movement he gains from the ending flip on his upB?

 

[Mew2King]

I have played Project M for the first time at Bio4 for like half an hour or so

I tried Sheik and Fox and jigglypuff

falcon's up B grabs too high imo

Fox's Dair sucks, and is a worthless move because it has too much landing lag. Uair also has too much landing lag.

slightly too much hitstun with most moves. Try making like 5% less hit stun (not specific moves I mean overall) and go from there.

L-canceling is too hard (esp the almost-no-lag l-cancel where you have almost zero lag and you are flashing yellow or something) and needs to be easier. Seriously. (I tried it with ganon once and it was way harder than it is in Melee, way too hard to do consistently imo)

There needs to be buffering with C-stick rolling. Often times I would, just like in Melee, hold the C stick in a direction to automatically roll ASAP, but in this game there is no auto-rolling with the C stick. That definitely needs to be added

oh yeah jigglypuff can chain grab fox to rest or something gay. Jiggs can also plank really well with Fair. She's really unfair if you play gay with her, maybe even more so than in Melee. If I play this game, and she stays broken, I might have to play her and play gay just because it's WAY too effective to just Fair camp on the ledge and abuse up throw and rest

edit - Pikachu's down smash is too good.

 

[DZLE]

Well if she is broken then I don't see why you, M2K, wouldn't play her.

(Kidding man no hate)

 

[Shell]

Lulz, M2K, most of those are pretty easy things to fix (aside from L-canceling, which is harder), and I should add that we haven't put a ton of time into getting the KB on Jiggz moves right just yet. Nor have we gotten into extensive character balance yet, mostly just core character design, so you don't have to worry about needing to 'play her gay.'

So with that said... did you, y'know, enjoy the alpha?