Project M Social Thread

[Sneak8288]

Saying tools with lucas aren't there is just admitting your level of creativity just isn't as good as it needs to be to play lucas this early on. You just have to think outside of the box. Snake is pretty developed and i've came up with alot of trix to use but he is like the new falcon. You have to be better than the other person and outplay them completely to win.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Grim's Tier List:

S Tier:
Sheik/Zelda
Sheik
Fox
Falco
Ganondorf

A Tier:
Marth
Zelda
Jigglypuff
Sonic
Mr. Game & Watch
Mario
Lucas
Link

C Tier:
Captain Falcon
Snake

I put Sonic so high because I think he can be played REALLY gay as a defensive character, but no one has really done it yet. Zelda has amazing potential as well just due to the incredible amount of options she was given.

Sheik is amazing due to Brawl DI, and Falcon is crap because of it.

Lucas' downward air dodge cancel was taken into account for his placing.

Snake just doesn't seem to have that extra little thing to make him as good as the other characters. I felt the same way about Link, but he is very popular and I expect his metagame to develop quickly, hence his higher placing.

Everything about G&W just feels so perfect, but his metagame isn't developed enough to put him any higher.

 

[Sneak8288]

Grim's Tier List:

S Tier:
Sheik/Zelda
Sheik
Fox
Falco
Ganondorf

A Tier:
Marth
Zelda
Jigglypuff
Sonic
Mario
Lucas
Captain Falcon

C Tier:
Snake

I put Sonic so high because I think he can be played REALLY gay as a defensive character, but no one has really done it yet. Zelda has amazing potential as well just due to the incredible amount of options she was given.

Sheik is amazing due to Brawl DI, and Falcon is crap because of it.

Lucas' downward air dodge cancel was taken into account for his placing.

Snake just doesn't seem to have that extra little thing to make him as good as the other characters.

this actually seems pretty good but i would switch ganon with marth and put falcon right after sonic

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Saying tools with lucas aren't there is just admitting your level of creativity just isn't as good as it needs to be to play lucas this early on. You just have to think outside of the box. Snake is pretty developed and i've came up with alot of trix to use but he is like the new falcon. You have to be better than the other person and outplay them completely to win.

Sounds like a bad character(relatively speaking) to me, as that is applicable to Melee low tiers and most of the Brawl cast.

But still, the presence of the list above my post is silly.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

this actually seems pretty good but i would switch ganon with marth and put falcon right after sonic

I main Ganon, so I'm a bit biased. That's definitely a possibility.

I dunno about Falcon though... :/

Also I forgot Link in that list, lol, added him now though.

 

[Onomanic]

I main Ganon, so I'm a bit biased. That's definitely a possibility.

I dunno about Falcon though... :/

Also I forgot Link in that list, lol, added him now though.

I think you forgot G&W as well.

 

[I R MarF]

Nice tier list Grim. Though I happen to agree with Sneak's changes... and idk about Jiggs being worse than Zelda.

And in regards to Lucas, he is definitely not the worst character in the demo. Nearly all of his aerials and zair make good approach options (and decent pressure), not to mention a variety of strong finishing moves and a lot of techniques unique to him.

I think we can all agree that Snake has the most glaring weaknesses in the demo cast. It doesn't make him a bad character though.

stuff

I like how in the time that it took you to make this post, you could have just looked up what gnarly meant. But I'm probably being trolled so its whatever.

 

[shanus]

I'll be having a stream this Saturday (in the AM and early afternoon) for several characters. I will likely rep a rebuilt character who hasn't been shown in a while, too!

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Nice tier list Grim. Though I happen to agree with Sneak's changes... and idk about Jiggs being worse than Zelda.

Hooray for people liking my list!

Though if you agree with Sneak's changes as well, I'm probably in the wrong here.

I gave Zelda the benefit of the doubt, but yeah, it's iffy.

I've added G&W now.

 

[NeoZ]

I'll be having a stream this Saturday (in the AM and early afternoon) for several characters. I will likely rep a rebuilt character who hasn't been shown in a while, too!

Yay for the new Lucario!

 

[FireBall Stars]

Well, we'll see to where the time will take the characters.

 

[Onomanic]

I'll be having a stream this Saturday (in the AM and early afternoon) for several characters. I will likely rep a rebuilt character who hasn't been shown in a while, too!

Ike? I heard his nair and fair were kinda broken with the l canceling.

 

[Slashy]

^That just makes Ike have godly spacing, which is good against the spacies (pun intended)

I emailed Chris Rock and asked him to do voicing for Ike.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Grim's Tier List:

S Tier:
Sheik/Zelda
Sheik
Fox
Falco
Ganondorf

A Tier:
Marth
Zelda
Jigglypuff
Sonic
Mr. Game & Watch
Mario
Lucas
Link

C Tier:
Captain Falcon
Snake

I put Sonic so high because I think he can be played REALLY gay as a defensive character, but no one has really done it yet. Zelda has amazing potential as well just due to the incredible amount of options she was given.

Sheik is amazing due to Brawl DI, and Falcon is crap because of it.

Lucas' downward air dodge cancel was taken into account for his placing.

Snake just doesn't seem to have that extra little thing to make him as good as the other characters. I felt the same way about Link, but he is very popular and I expect his metagame to develop quickly, hence his higher placing.

Everything about G&W just feels so perfect, but his metagame isn't developed enough to put him any higher.

Agree with Falcon being on the lower end but you're on crack if you think he's worse than Link, Lucas, and Mario.

his combos are lame but he can still DD camp the **** out of most of the cast. And he can still zero death a lot of characters pretty consistently.

 

[shanus]

every time you say he lost his priority i want to punch myself in the face

 

[Shadic]

every time you say he lost his priority i want to punch myself in the face

Yeah, basically.

 

[ETWIST51294]

every time you say he lost his priority i want to punch myself in the face

Why??? Am I wrong? >_> You gotta tell me if I'm wrong or I won't know to stop saying it.

 

[Onomanic]

Why??? Am I wrong. >_> You gotta tell me if I'm wrong or I won't know.

Perhaps it's guilt.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

You must be on crack if you think that Falcon lost priority, Twist.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Well, I've already came to not caring and just dealing with it.

 

[Shadic]

Why??? Am I wrong? >_> You gotta tell me if I'm wrong or I won't know to stop saying it.

Priority is entirely disjointedness. (In the air at least - ground hitboxes clank with one another.)

 

[shanus]

Yes, Twist you are wrong. Very wrong.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Well, thanks for telling me. And you should've told me a long time ago so I wouldn't feel so stupid.

 

[ManEg]

I think you will have to make another demo, with 13 more characters at least. Because if you finish and put all the remaining characters at once, the balancing phase will be kinda difficult. Not to mention all the complaining and stuff.

 

[Onomanic]

I think you will have to make another demo, with 13 more characters at least. Because if you finish and put all the remaining characters at once, the balancing phase will be kinda difficult. Not to mention all the complaining and stuff.

That would take an additional like 6 months. Frankly, I want the patch to just be released. New physics > more characters. But that might be because I have 3 of my mains in the demo already.

 

[Zef]

wait.. what the hell are you saying

 

[GaretHax]

Saying tools with lucas aren't there is just admitting your level of creativity just isn't as good as it needs to be to play lucas this early on. You just have to think outside of the box. Snake is pretty developed and i've came up with alot of trix to use but he is like the new falcon. You have to be better than the other person and outplay them completely to win.

I agree with this,
But there is a problem with that kind of thinking as well. Brawl and Melee were both finished products upon release and saw absolutely no change in all the years they were played. An inherent flaw of most fan-made material (primarily ongoing projects) that rely on feedback is their tendancy to get locked-up like Brawl+ did. Stalling true development and closure to instead spew out constant changes to desperately try to correct issues that may not exist (or may even be easily overcome in the future.) The inherent flaw of many ongoing project is the very fact that it IS ongoing. Anyway I'm rambling I suppose, and I'm sure the PM team already knows this because if they didn't their entire approach to the testing etc. would be dramatically different. Just my two cents I suppose.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Don't worry, the PMBR has learned a lot from their times from Brawl+ and stuck to their guns.

 

[Slashy]

I think you will have to make another demo, with 13 more characters at least. Because if you finish and put all the remaining characters at once, the balancing phase will be kinda difficult. Not to mention all the complaining and stuff.

I support this comment. I'd rather the demo be delayed further and have more characters.

 

[MonkUnit]

13 characters is a bit much to add.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

I understand if you don't want to add more characters, but if you do, you shouldn't add more than 3.....

 

[Flynn360]

New Demo Characters : DK, Samus, Kirby?
just a thought if you guys are gunna add 3 characters :/

 

[FireBall Stars]

Kirby would be broken with his current superpower of crashing the game.

 

[ETWIST51294]

I've played a lot of the characters in a more recent build and DK and Peach felt the most complete.

There's something with Peach that's wrong with her turnips, right? I can't remember.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Peach's turnips in Brawl POOF when they hit shields instead of bounce.

 

[MonkUnit]

Double Jump.

Either way, we've already stated that no characters will be added in the patch.

 

[ETWIST51294]

Double Jump.

But I thought there was something else. Like, the turnips disapearing when it hits the shield or something.

And I'm totally fine with no new characters.

 

[MonkUnit]

Turnips and double jump are the main things afaik.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

What's keeping Samus out?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Zamus

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