Project M Social Thread

[TommyDerMeister]

The way I saw this project was getting as close as possible to being Melee, with more characters.

That what I think of when I think Melee 2.0

 

[Blank Mauser]

Forced item stealing could effectively ruin chaingrabs on characters who can pull them. Seeing as how you can't grab with an item, you'd have to throw it away first and continue chaingrabbing.

Of course, it could be pretty fun with Snake, but yeah if you want to add it in there should be a way to make it optional. Its also not really necessary.

I support Project M aiming to be more then what Melee was. (Better is a subjective term) I also support Blank getting a beta.

Edit: If you still consider item stealing, give it to the pummel subaction and then have it check whether you hold the pummel/hold Z down.

 

[shanus]

please don't turn this into a "better than melee debate."

Instead, I'll tell you all that dantarion made a code for light presses which works wonderfully.

 

[TommyDerMeister]

Light presses for the L/R triggers?

That's beautiful.

 

[superyoshi888]

As long as Dedede is actually fun this time around I'll be happy with the changes.

 

[Shadic]

Instead, I'll tell you all that dantarion made a code for light presses which works wonderfully.

Nice distraction.

Does it just register that a light press is made, and pulls out a full shield? (Likely) Having full analog shielding eventually would be amazing.

Hopefully such a change wouldn't be too "drastic" for Veril to chuck into B+.

 

[GP&B]

I think the interesting part will be attaching the shield size (plus modifying shield size to be larger on light press) to match with the amount of press.

 

[ValTroX]

please don't turn this into a "better than melee debate."

Instead, I'll tell you all that dantarion made a code for light presses which works wonderfully.

Yesz!!!!(ala Falcon) Good job, +1,000,000 for Dant
Edit: @ Shadic, most of the things are too drastic for Veril at this point

 

[a nub]

Those item techs seem pretty dumb lol

Instead, I'll tell you all that dantarion made a code for light presses which works wonderfully.

Good ****. Is light shielding looking realistically possible yet?

 

[GPDP]

This project keeps getting better and better.

Still, the real challenges are gonna be CC (as in reducing knockback by crouching) and damage staling.

 

[VietGeek]

Forced item stealing could effectively ruin chaingrabs on characters who can pull them. Seeing as how you can't grab with an item, you'd have to throw it away first and continue chaingrabbing..

Unless this has been fixed recently you CAN grab with an item in hand so as long as you JC grab.

 

[Archangel]

Unless this has been fixed recently you CAN grab with an item in hand so as long as you JC grab.

Really? That sounds kinda gay to me.

 

[shanus]

I thought I fixed it, but I guess I did not

This project keeps getting better and better.

Still, the real challenges are gonna be CC (as in reducing knockback by crouching) and damage staling.

I can probably make CCing, camelot made a good idea for it. However, I haven't pursued it yet as the current option simply is a bit annoying to program.


@ anub, Light shielding will be possible with Light L/R Presses v2.0 when it can send me a variable I can read in fighter.pac

 

[GPDP]

Oh snap, so analog shielding will be possible? Good stuff.

What will the CCing solution you are envisioning entail?

 

[Wind Owl]

On Brawl, you cannot DI Fox's (and falco's?) fall while spamming lasers (he falls straight down no matter how much you move the stick) unlike melee (where you could fall towards the stage while shooting) please fix that.

Just fixed this 5 minutes ago.

 

[GP&B]

^Awesome, that was bothering the hell out of me.

 

[Eldiran]

Item stealing was optional though in the code he made. So it would need to interface IF B+Z was pressed, force opponent to drop item, pick up item. That's why its hard

Also, I just think the idea is superfluous / unnecessary because it also doesn't have its own animation [to me, every character would need an "item steal" animation for it to truly make sense during a grab.

I gotcha. I do agree it's a bit superfluous to Project M, but I wanted to make sure it was known to be easy (except if it needs to be optional, in which case I haven't the slightest how you'd do it).

As an off-hand interesting idea, item stealing as a character-specific thing could be an interesting balancing tool. Have trouble with Peach/Diddy/Snake/Links? Give 'em a throw that steals items.

Unfortunately it does rather reek of hax as a whole.

On an unrelated note, it's great to hear the news on the analog shielding code!

 

[JCaesar]

I think, when we get analog shielding, we should consider slightly reducing the size of the default shield. Shield-camping as a strategy could stand a bit of a nerf, and it would encourage shield-tilting (i.e. skillful blocking) and making the choice between full shielding and light shielding, something which can only add <D-word which I shall not speak> to the game.

I actually kinda miss the days of Melee G&W where I had to be very careful with my defense...

 

[Rikana]

Yay for light presses.

 

[shanus]

I think, when we get analog shielding, we should consider slightly reducing the size of the default shield. Shield-camping as a strategy could stand a bit of a nerf, and it would encourage shield-tilting (i.e. skillful blocking) and making the choice between full shielding and light shielding, something which can only add <D-word which I shall not speak> to the game.

I actually kinda miss the days of Melee G&W where I had to be very careful with my defense...

well lots not also forget that we have 15 frames of shield endlag again from brawl (7)

but definitely easy to do


Fun fact: unlike most things, shield endlag required its own code since they set it = to a variable which decays instead of normal frame speed!

 

[Machiavelli.CF]

As an off-hand interesting idea, item stealing as a character-specific thing could be an interesting balancing tool. Have trouble with Peach/Diddy/Snake/Links? Give 'em a throw that steals items.

first throw that came to mind was Sonic's back throw.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

"Oops partner. I was edge guarding someone while you were off the edge and accidentally footstooled you to your death while I was coming back."

Cause that happens all the time...

 

[GP&B]

Not to get off the current topic, but I sort of wanted to bring this up and settle something on it:

Mm, I was talking about this project on GameFAQs and someone suggested, in addition to the 64 Falcon Punch, that Mario should get his 64 USmash back. Now unlike Falcon's USmash, that sounds sexy.

Considering Mario still doesn't have great kill power, it would be awesome to get the of effect of his 64 USmash back.

 

[Rikana]

Quick question. Its regarding Dark Sonic's suggestion a while back. Has there been any thoughts of which character will get the sped up throw animations?

Considering Mario still doesn't have great kill power, it would be awesome to get the of effect of his 64 USmash back.

Is he also talking about the ridiculous hitbox that Mario's uSmash has in 64? I don't think Falcon should get his 64 Falcon Punch anyways. We shouldn't look at 64 unless that one attack is utterly bad in both Brawl and Melee and also needs it. Falcon's Falcon Punch is good the way it was in Melee.

 

[Wind Owl]

No talk of that since. Thanks for bringing it up again.

 

[shanus]

Cause that happens all the time...

How about when your hogging the edge and you go to ledgedrop rising dair your opponent (commonplace falco staple). In brawl, even with large warp distance, I would *accidentally* footstool the opponent when just trying to jump. The fact that the action isn't controllable, leads to phantom footstools when the opponent isn't in hitstun or jump or fall just shows its bad programming.,

 

[humble]

Yay for light presses!

Item stealing just shouldn't be in. -_-

And I like optional footstool. :I

Psst, can we add 1 frame more to shield pullout, and decrease the PS window? Its too easy in vBrawl...

 

[Sterowent]

if you're keeping footstools, might i suggest making the, uh...'event box' for it smaller.

and make the footstool less disruptive. or maybe change the effect if the event all together, such as putting an opponent into that one animation spacies got when illusioning into that one cape hitbox.
or something. maybe turn them around, stopping their momentum? it could be a twisting animation off of the victim!

bad suggestions, bad suggestions...but it's not a bad idea to reward a player for getting that close to a specific, minuscule area on an opponent in a game as mobile as P:M. a mediocre idea, but it's not bad.

again, this is all assuming you even have plans for the technique...

 

[ItachiFire2]

Yay for light presses!

Item stealing just shouldn't be in. -_-

And I like optional footstool. :I

Psst, can we add 1 frame more to shield pullout, and decrease the PS window? Its too easy in vBrawl...

Yeah that would make it feel unmelee like. Also why are smash 64 attacks being added in? I thought project M was suppose to be as much like melee as possible?

 

[Dai Tian]

That I remember the only 64 attack that is really being considered is Kirby's old N-air.

 

[Wind Owl]

Kirby's 64 Nair is being added. No other attacks from Smash 64 are currently approved.

 

[Kix]

I love the idea of more directional blocking, but I'd think that it would help to make the rolls and dodge a more forceful motion. Shield poking and defense would be more intelligent and I don't think it'd wildly change the way people play. I'd love to at least see this code made/make this code at some point.

 

[Sneak8288]

Kirby's 64 Nair is being added. No other attacks from Smash 64 are currently approved.

can pikachu get his 64 bair? cuz in melee and brawl that move seems pretty bad

 

[Wind Owl]

Oh, my mistake. That's being added as well.

 

[Sneak8288]

I love the idea of more directional blocking, but I'd think that it would help to make the rolls and dodge a more forceful motion. Shield poking and defense would be more intelligent and I don't think it'd wildly change the way people play. I'd love to at least see this code made/make this code at some point.

As long as i can light shield bair with spacies once im getting up on a platform when someone tries to hit me i will be happy

 

[GPDP]

Psst, can we add 1 frame more to shield pullout, and decrease the PS window? Its too easy in vBrawl...

The problem with the PS in vBrawl isn't the frame window, but the fact that you don't have to time the button press. If you're holding shield, as long as the shield comes out within the proper window, you can PS, unlike in Melee, where you can only PS by timing the button press.

IMO the PS window should be a frame or two higher than in Melee so it can actually be done with some semblance of regularity, but it should only come out by timing the button press.

 

[Shadic]

Oh, my mistake. That's[Pikachu's Bair] being added as well.

Fantastic.

 

[JCaesar]

I love the idea of more directional blocking, but I'd think that it would help to make the rolls and dodge a more forceful motion.

Agreed. Maybe it's just me but it feels like the difference between tap and tilt in the Brawl engine is more sensitive than it was in Melee. The only reason I can utilt anywhere near consistently is because I can turn tap jump off in this game If there was a way to decrease the tap sensitivity (so it takes a quicker motion to tap rather than tilt) that would be fantastic.

Though I can see that might upset some people who have certain actions committed to muscle memory if it changes their feel. Still, I think we should try it if possible just to see how it feels, and pre-open beta is the best time to put something like that in.

The problem with the PS in vBrawl isn't the frame window, but the fact that you don't have to time the button press. If you're holding shield, as long as the shield comes out within the proper window, you can PS, unlike in Melee, where you can only PS by timing the button press.

IMO the PS window should be a frame or two higher than in Melee so it can actually be done with some semblance of regularity, but it should only come out by timing the button press.

You're talking about buffering powershields. The way I understand it, that's only part of the problem. The bigger issue is that, in Brawl, if a hitbox is just grazing the outside edge of the shield bubble when you put it up, it counts as a powershield, but in Melee, the hitbox has to be well within the shield bubble to count as a powershield. That's really why it's so much easier in Brawl, as you can see by powershielding projectiles since buffering powershields doesn't come into play there.

 

[Alphatron]

Shanus made a code that was supposed to remove buffered powershielding a while back, but it didn't truly work. Has anything else been done with that code?

 

[humble]

Is it possible to decrease the size of the PS box, shorten the frames, and make it unbufferable?