Project M Social Thread

[Supreme Dirt]

Jcaesar, wavebouncing is so stupid hard to do without the c-stick on specials it is almost impossible for some characters, reason why i didn't mention it.

LOL somebody has zero tech skill.

 

[Flayl]

Run

Jump, immediately tap back and let the control stick reset to neutral

Wait a short amount of time (you can make this shorter with practice)

Press B and the control stick forwards to make a "continous" tapping sound

There's your wavebounce. The window of time you can wait before pressing b and forwards is actually pretty large too

 

[MonkUnit]

So I heard the intent with Toon Link's arrows are to make them more like Y.Link's trajectory. Well, what about the Fire Element as well?

No idea if the arc of the arrows will change, but they definitely won't be exactly YL's arc. Also, we will probably give TL fire arrows so its sort of a throwback to YL.

 

[Crispy4001]

No idea if the arc of the arrows will change, but they definitely won't be exactly YL's arc. Also, we will probably give TL fire arrows so its sort of a throwback to YL.

I thought there was some sort of coding issue with the fire's stun (or whatever it was) acting like Melee's.

 

[Slashy]

Do the Pocket Monsters still have type weaknesses?

 

[ClinkStryphart]

Question with YTL(Young Toon Link) is he going to have or rather keep the Tornado spin from what I have seen in the vids? Just wondering because I always though TL should have had that since Vbrawl. Considering his isn't really a power house type move like how adult link's move is. Also that will be sweet if you guys manage to give back the fire arrows. ^_^

Any chance you guys for Young Toon Link possibly give him back his awesome taunt from Melee? I think it would be cool to have that taunt again.

Do the Pocket Monsters still have type weaknesses?

That is actually a good question.

 

[jalued]

Question with YTL(Young Toon Link) is he going to have or rather keep the Tornado spin from what I have seen in the vids? Just wondering because I always though TL should have had that since Vbrawl. Considering his isn't really a power house type move like how adult link's move is. Also that will be sweet if you guys manage to give back the fire arrows. ^_^

Any chance you guys for Young Toon Link possibly give him back his awesome taunt from Melee? I think it would be cool to have that taunt again.




That is actually a good question.

if i remember it was removed in brawl+, since it gave squirte a massive advantage and ivysaur got destroyed by it

 

[V-K]

Landing Detection is done?

 

[MonkUnit]

Question with YTL(Young Toon Link) is he going to have or rather keep the Tornado spin from what I have seen in the vids? Just wondering because I always though TL should have had that since Vbrawl. Considering his isn't really a power house type move like how adult link's move is. Also that will be sweet if you guys manage to give back the fire arrows. ^_^

Any chance you guys for Young Toon Link possibly give him back his awesome taunt from Melee? I think it would be cool to have that taunt again.

YTL will keep the moving spin attack.

If anyone wants to try and animate that taunt, go for it! For now, we have more important things to work on than a taunt.

 

[FireBall Stars]

YTL will keep the moving spin attack.

If anyone wants to try and animate that taunt, go for it! For now, we have more important things to work on than a taunt.

I would do that.

But that **** is so damn hard D:

 

[jalued]

YTL will keep the moving spin attack.

just another professional touch like mario's downB

Nintendo were so sloppy with brawl to not add things like this in :/

 

[Revven]

if i remember it was removed in brawl+, since it gave squirte a massive advantage and ivysaur got destroyed by it

Brawl+ never removed it because it wasn't figured out what controls it.

 

[Xedi]

I've finally had the chance to play the Project M demo, and I must say I was blown away! I love the attention to detail that was put into this, all the animations look really good. I really like what you've done with Lucas, it's great. Some other characters are really nice too, for instance Mario. I'm also happy just to have the trademark Falco moves back (mostly shine, up tilt, forward smash).

I like how you really kept a few nice things from Brawl, such as that thing that allows you to do back aerials after running (not sure what it's called). Quite a few other mechanisms too, can't remember off the top of my head. I think that's great, it would have been a shame to just put everything back to how it was in Melee, some things can be improved!

Oh, and Temple:M is amazing. How do stages work though, why are some removed especially with 75m still there?


My only complaints so far, I'll be happy for you to convince me that I'm wrong: I thought Link's up-B charge was good, was sad that was removed. Also I think Sheik's needles should keep the charge mechanism from Brawl.

Just out of interest (not even because I want to know when I can hope for the full thing to be released), how much work is involved to convert each character to this? How many things do you usually have to change (obviously this depends on character)?

Again, great job to everyone involved!

 

[MonkUnit]

If link had the brawl charge system for his upB then the knockback would have to be reduced from the very start of the charge which would make it have less uses for edgeguarding and combos unlike the current upB which has no charge and has good KB.

 

[kupo15]

It wouldn't have to. It could start out at the full melee power and be charged further. This was my original thought of how it would work when Brawl came out

 

[Xedi]

Well that's a good argument M0nkUn1t, but I thought they could do something interesting with it, I don't know. I'm obviously not hugely bothered!

 

[Slashy]

Also, Sheik still has her ability to roll out of a needle charge. The change to holding down the button to charge (as opposed to tapping it) gives players the ability to fire needles immediately. This is especially useful if you only want to fire one needle.

 

[Xedi]

Yes, well, I know that, but you could fire immediately by tapping twice no?

 

[Ecks]

Well you could just leave the charge for aesthetics and it wouldn't make a difference whether you charged it or not. I know many people will complain that the charge is gone so if you guys could leave it in, then why not?

And what the hell is a wave bounce?

Stupid brawl ATs. I'll just go google it. >_>

Edit: I was talking about Link's up btw.

 

[MonkUnit]

Yes, well, I know that, but you could fire immediately by tapping twice no?

Yes .

 

[Vigilante]

@Slashy: Removing the weakneses was planned, and I think it's already done. Of course, that's just stuff I heard in streams. You might want someone to confirm this. Detail often gets mixed up in those.

 

[shanus]

Yes, we removed PT element-weaknesses.

Way to remove a component of a blogpost, livestreamer!

 

[Revven]

Well you could just leave the charge for aesthetics and it wouldn't make a difference whether you charged it or not. I know many people will complain that the charge is gone so if you guys could leave it in, then why not?

That... would definitely be more than aesthetic...

Yes, well, I know that, but you could fire immediately by tapping twice no?

It however is not very well designed for how the move is used in high level play. Go watch some Melee Sheik high level players and see how they use needles. If they worked the way they do in Brawl, it would definitely mess people up on edgeguarding and take longer to throw a few needles out. The charge mechanic for her needles was better in Melee.

 

[Slashy]

I know this might sound crazy, but did you remove the Pikmin type advantage too? Unlike the PKMN the pikmin type advantage was a defining trait, gave you a reason to reorder your Pikmin if you were fighting Pikachu or Luigi

 

[Vigilante]

Yes, we removed PT element-weaknesses.

Way to remove a component of a blogpost, livestreamer!

Lol! Sorry about this. I didn't know you wanted to keep quiet about it.

 

[shanus]

Pikmin have been unaltered at this point.

 

[Xebenkeck]

LOL somebody has zero tech skill.

you mean useless tech skill ness needs no wavebounce. literally the only character who needs to learn it is lucas.

 

[Slashy]

you mean useless tech skill ness needs no wavebounce. literally the only character who needs to learn it is lucas.

Is wavebouncing related to zap jumping?

 

[Xebenkeck]

no

zap jump is double jumping and Pk firing at the same time, don't know the actual window of input 5 frames? 10 frames? i dunno

Zap jump is easy to do if you use the claw

 

[Slashy]

The last dev build I played (1 month ago) Ness still had his zap jump from Brawl+

 

[Xebenkeck]

Ness's zap jump(we call it PK jump) in vbrawl was bad and useless, i never played Brawl+ so i dunno what it was like in there.

 

[Slashy]

Basically Ness' Brawl+ zap jump was basically his double jump with a huge amount of forward momentum;however, the momentum boost was not as excessive as what Lucas received.

 

[Xebenkeck]

i still don't understand what mechanic is at work that makes them fly so far, especially lucas, a perfect zap jump he literally flys to the blast zones.

 

[MonkUnit]

Besides, with the way Ness is going, he won't need something silly like zap jumping to be good.

 

[Xebenkeck]

He just needs a crouch cancel option

 

[Vigilante]

Besides, with the way Ness is going, he won't need something silly like zap jumping to be good.

He just needs Count Kaiser.

 

[Slashy]

Aww, but I like Zap Jumping, from how I saw it. It allowed you to get to the stage more easily at the cost of having an extremely telegraphed recovery.

 

[Slashy]

EDIT: Stupid Sidekick 2008 making me double post

 

[Xebenkeck]

^^^or screw it up and fall to your death lol, done that lots with lucas, try a zap jump-> screw up -> owwwww -> GAME SET

 

[Slashy]

That can happen with any tech messup, it's just a mistimed Zap Jump has a much greater chance of leading to death than a failed L-Cancel.