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Predictions for Tier List v4 (Includes overview of entire cast)
- Thread starter Pierce7d
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Yeah I tend to think Marth v. DK is 50/50 or 55/45 Marth. DK's range is kinda nullified by Marth's ability to juggle and ledge trap the crap out of him. All Marth needs is one opening, and DK's only move to stop that is a retreating bair. But seriously, how can DK stop Marth with just one move? It's pretty hard to do even for a top level DK player vs. a top level Marth player.
I think myself and the majority of the Marth community stand firm that it's 50/50 or 55/45 Marth.
I think IC will go up to S tier too as well as Diddy Kong grabbing the #3 spot.
I think myself and the majority of the Marth community stand firm that it's 50/50 or 55/45 Marth.
I think IC will go up to S tier too as well as Diddy Kong grabbing the #3 spot.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
65-35 isn't a soft counter. A soft counter means that character A shuts down most of character B's options, but if character B's player is playing properly and at a much more advance level than character A, character B can still win.
This is not the case with the current match-ups listed as 65:35.
Turbo Ether
Smash Master
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Pierce thinks DK has a solid advantage against Marth. I was just talking about the matchup last night with him at the tournament Cable(probably best DK) won last night. The East Coast DK metagame is on fire right now. DK is underrated. Everyone thinks they understand how to fight DK, but when they fight a real one (Cable, Will and maybe Bum when he shakes off the rust and catches back up.) they get rocked.Pierce, give us your input! You know more than me
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
I think wolf is better then fox.
IC's over MK
Snake over Diddy
IC's over MK
Snake over Diddy
-Axis-
Smash Journeyman
Why do IC's still not make top 5 in many people's eyes? They're dominating tournaments. It's a good thing Ally's Snake is there to keep Lain in check. 
N.A.G.A.C.E
Smash Champion
best DK is up in the air right now. its mostly between three or four people
Cable, Will, ook, and maybe Ripple.
hippiedude92
Smash Hero
I highly second this all the way.
this explains why ppl dont know how to ****ing fight dk when they fight him in brackets (cable <3 @ 1st place in daishos)
thats pratically ec vs wc lol
both metagames are like hella different
cept like ec should be swarming with mks
Nefarious B
Smash Champion
How is this anywhere close to unanimous? People have ranged from 1st to only slightly higher than their current position.
Who's dominating tournies? Lain and Meep are easily the two best right now, and both are inconsistent, Ally or not.Why do IC's still not make top 5 in many people's eyes? They're dominating tournaments. It's a good thing Ally's Snake is there to keep Lain in check.
Nidtendofreak
Smash Hero
ICs are not top 5.
MK
Snake
Diddy
Wario
Falco
are all better. Maybe D3/Marth, I'd have to think about those comparisons more.
MK
Snake
Diddy
Wario
Falco
are all better. Maybe D3/Marth, I'd have to think about those comparisons more.
volume
Smash Apprentice
aww link isnt horrible....... he's just easily gimped and has a semi hard time killing yay diddy is high tierd (2nd) but i currently cant agree with this tier.. i dont know why...
ksizl4life
Smash Hero
Cable was beating neo in friendlies at the last tourney and one of the games was a 3 stock on fd. neo did say he tried and said its very very difficult for marth. he said marth has to not make one mistake the entire match just so it can be even. that already goes to show you.
cable is a prodigy. this DK is something different than what you guys might expect
cable is a prodigy. this DK is something different than what you guys might expect
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
^Agreed.
This also happened when NEO played June's DK.
As Stauffy would always say "Go play a real character", and not one that ragekills at like 80% lol.
This also happened when NEO played June's DK.
As Stauffy would always say "Go play a real character", and not one that ragekills at like 80% lol.
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
My Opinion:
S Tier
NOTE: / /
can be in any order but I honestly stand by my opinion.
A Tier
B Tier
C Tier
:shiek:
D Tier
E Tier
F Tier
S Tier
NOTE:
/ /can be in any order but I honestly stand by my opinion.
A Tier
B Tier
C Tier
:shiek:
D Tier
E Tier
F Tier
phi1ny3
Not the Mama
^No Kirby?
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
Whoopies haha there I added him
dainbramage
Smash Journeyman
The post said:
Marth definitely loses to DK and ROB. Wolf is currently considered 50:50 but that might soon change to be wolf's favour.
Punishment Divine
Smash Champion
It's too bad Will is better, KelvinCable was beating neo in friendlies at the last tourney and one of the games was a 3 stock on fd. neo did say he tried and said its very very difficult for marth. he said marth has to not make one mistake the entire match just so it can be even. that already goes to show you.
cable is a prodigy. this DK is something different than what you guys might expect
No ZSS or Mario either. Clearly a lot of thought and effort was put into this list.
@Xzax - I didn't see G&W on the list.....
Alphicans
Smash Hero
No GaW either. Wtf
Oh I see, just no picture lol.
Oh I see, just no picture lol.
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
THERE WE GO
sorry lol XD
sorry lol XD
IC's aren't the best character in the game. I doubt even Meep can agree to that (people camping him more, M2K not afraid to time him out in stronger ways, etc).
DK is underrated, but let's be honest about it. Look at the characters above him. Is he clear cut better than them?
R.O.B.
Kirby
Lucario
Zero Suit Samus
Toon Link
Pit
All of those are above him, and they are most likely better than DK. I know Lucario, ZSS, and TL/Pit are. Kirby and ROB probably are, but you could argue a stronger case against those two than the others.
Despite the fact he is underrated by many people, you can't suddenly jump him up ahead of other characters who are better than him.
DK is underrated, but let's be honest about it. Look at the characters above him. Is he clear cut better than them?
R.O.B.
Kirby
Lucario
Zero Suit Samus
Toon Link
Pit
All of those are above him, and they are most likely better than DK. I know Lucario, ZSS, and TL/Pit are. Kirby and ROB probably are, but you could argue a stronger case against those two than the others.
Despite the fact he is underrated by many people, you can't suddenly jump him up ahead of other characters who are better than him.
Gnes
Smash Master
You can make a stronger case against TL and Pit judging from tourney results.
MysteriousSilver
Smash Ace
That's 'cause no one plays Pit.
And because Pit players keep switching charactersBOOM I'M LOOKING AT YOU.
Nah, it's coo'. Makes me feel more unique.
demonictoonlink
Smash Master
DK is better than Toon Link. I can honestly say that I believe this.
In terms of Pit, I think Tink ======= Pit. Though completely different, I think they share a spot.
In terms of Pit, I think Tink ======= Pit. Though completely different, I think they share a spot.
Wasn't Neo the one who said DK got ***** by Marth and that there's no way in hell that it's even, at least 60-40 Marth?Cable was beating neo in friendlies at the last tourney and one of the games was a 3 stock on fd. neo did say he tried and said its very very difficult for marth. he said marth has to not make one mistake the entire match just so it can be even. that already goes to show you.
cable is a prodigy. this DK is something different than what you guys might expect
Word up. /LI biasIt's too bad Will is better, Kelvin
Can't say that **** when you getting ***** by a DK. Not a good look.
Turbo Ether
Smash Master
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DMG, I believe DK is potentially better than every character you listed, except for maybe Kirby. DK is pretty good, but he's awkward, so it's taken a very, very long time for people to put his tools to good. He's also extremely unpopular and underrepresented.
I guess he was wrong, lol. It's allowed methinks...
I'm not buying the underrepresented argument. Almost any character not in top tier can claim under-representation. DK is not really any harder to play than the majority of the cast. Again this is an argument that mains of any character below A tier can (and usually do) use.
Actually that's not true. There are characters in the top tier that aren't represent well. There are low tiers who are represented well. Just look at a bunch of tourny results from different regions and you'll see this.
edit: maybe not low tiers, but some mid tiers have good representation.
edit: maybe not low tiers, but some mid tiers have good representation.
Browny
Smash Hater
Careful now, I do believe I've seen that same argument (under-repped, hard to play etc) from you many times.