PPMD's Falco Discussion Thread

[Tee ay eye]

stab, are you using control stick or jump button to do shine turnaround bair?

if you're using control stick:

it's possible that you're being really imprecise with your turnaround. like, let's say you do a shine and then turn to the left. your control stick might be held in the up-left position, so when you try to hit up, it doesn't make you jump because you're already holding partially up.

i used to have trouble with shine turnaround bairs because my hands were too used to regular shine bair, so yeah, i DID have to delay the jump.

what really helped me with shine turnaround bairs was trying to take it step-by-step and then just getting faster over time. so like...

shine -> turnaround -> jump and bair

instead of trying to make it all one fluid motion off the bat

if you're using X or Y:

yeah, you're probably pressing X or Y too early loool

 

[Tee ay eye]

MArth main. any advice or really important things I should know, or any good links to some good info? I know chain grabbing good, hes a heavy character, and if im a stock up then definitly play COCKY vs. lasers( assume the bird is thinking im going to counter and just play arrogant. Im aware of most of my options OOS but if anyone wants to give me a refreash please do . Thank you community.

falco is not a heavy character

 

[KirbyKaze]

does anyone have any advice on how to deal with players like west, axe, vman, etc.

There is always a hole in shine > aerial / grab pressure and whiffed multi-shines do nothing to a shield.

If you can determine their intention with their pressure you can probably find a way out.

 

[Van.]

LMAO, were u that punk *** charizard guy in the stream? Didn't know till now that u were such a ****ing homo

And oh boy did he expose socal

like at FC when he lost to BAKA4MOE

edit: how the **** did the mods find my post so fast

LOLOLOL

every low-cal player is such a hyper sensitive princess i swear

you try to defend westballz, who lost to SILLY ****ING KYLE, by pointing out that frootloop lost to baka?!?!?!

holy ****, thats the most incompetent possible defense of your region! Why wouldn't you just say the obvious things, like lovage clearly doesn't care anymore, wests controller broke, bah blah blah

Step it up!

 

[unknown522]

I felt bad for Weston. That controller was ***.

His spare is really bad too

 

[Bones0]

I guess the age of "no johns" has come to an end.

 

[Van.]

^ it never truly began

 

[mexicanmax227]

falco is not a heavy character

ARe you sure? He is a FAT a** character lol. He natrually fast falls. hes like 30 m/s^2 gravity lol
( about 3 times normal gravity)
define heavey character. No offense tee ay eye ive been rooting for you for years, just trying to learn as much as i can.

 

[Beat!]

Falling speed and weight are two different things. Look at Samus (or, well, spacies lol) for a clear example.

 

[Tee ay eye]

falling speed =/= weight

pretty much...

falling speed determines how far you get sent vertically

weight determines how far you get sent horizontally (and i think it also factors into when you get knocked-down), so a decent indicator of how heavy a character is is whether they slide or get knocked down by fox's shine. fox's shine will knock down lighter characters (e.g. fox, falco, jigglypuff), but it will make heavier characters slide (e.g. peach, samus, falcon)

falcon is HEAVY and FAST-FALLING

fox and falco are LIGHT, but FAST-FALLING

samus and peach are HEAVY, but SLOW-FALLING

jigglypuff is LIGHT and SLOW-FALLING

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

*snip*

I wasn't defending them (there's no need to john for them, and clearly you already know what their issues were anyway), so much as I was stating the fact that you are a ***** *** no-name hater

 

[Bones0]

ARe you sure? He is a FAT a** character lol. He natrually fast falls. hes like 30 m/s^2 gravity lol
( about 3 times normal gravity)
define heavey character. No offense tee ay eye ive been rooting for you for years, just trying to learn as much as i can.

Bowling balls are heavier than marbles, but they fall at the same speed.

Also, a bullet fired horizontally from a gun will hit the ground at the same time as a bullet that is dropped from someone's hand (in a vacuum).

 

[Van.]

I wasn't defending them (there's no need to john for them, and clearly you already know what their issues were anyway), so much as I was stating the fact that you are a ***** *** no-name hater

lol so what? you're better than me, but you don't exactly have major wins stacked up either

i'm mid-level, you're mid-high level, but its irrelevant

no reason to be butthurt, i was born in FL so i **** talk for them

you were born in/moved to (for reasons other than smash) SoCal so you **** talk for them

i don't see what the problem is here

 

[Vixen]

Stab has some pretty impressive wins.

 

[crush]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8Imaf5eJ98

 

[Van.]

well then perhaps instead of mid-high, he's just high

*shrugs* if you **** talk, people can shikt talk back. Even being a top player doesn't exempt you from that.

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

i was born in FL so i **** talk for them

Wait what, you're **** talking socal for like Wisconsin LOL

but WHATEVER, I'm done talking about this

 

[Van.]

**** talking against whoevers above FL =s **** talking for FL imo

but good idea lets drop it

 

[Vixen]

I **** talk for cali, because Arizona sucks as a state. Moving out of here ASAP.

Plus Stab's really good, lol. ****ed me up.

 

[FrootLoop]

there were so many falcos at the big house! it felt like I only did falco dittos for 3 days, it was great

I'm not sure what to do against peach. I feel like she doesn't lose control as much as the other characters once you catch/hit them, and it makes it hard for me to position myself to contain her. Maybe I'm just not moving tight enough. Is pp basically the go-to falco for brainstorming ideas vs peach?

 

[KirbyKaze]

PP is the go-to Falco on like everything.

 

[Bones0]

there were so many falcos at the big house! it felt like I only did falco dittos for 3 days, it was great

lol Boss was pretty upset watching the stream because it was literally 90% Falco dittos and Falco vs. Fox.

 

[Dr Peepee]

there were so many falcos at the big house! it felt like I only did falco dittos for 3 days, it was great

I'm not sure what to do against peach. I feel like she doesn't lose control as much as the other characters once you catch/hit them, and it makes it hard for me to position myself to contain her. Maybe I'm just not moving tight enough. Is pp basically the go-to falco for brainstorming ideas vs peach?

If you want to contain Peach, you must first understand her options. She's basically only got counterattacks, so switch up your positioning/attacking strategies once you get laser control of her....unless you were also curious about laser control?

If you need more specific elaboration please ask, but your question was kinda confusing so I'm hesitant to explain more.

PP is the go-to Falco on like everything.

why thank you sir =)

lol Boss was pretty upset watching the stream because it was literally 90% Falco dittos and Falco vs. Fox.

LMAO Boss totally would hate that hahahaha

 

[Moooose]

pp do you think you would be better, worse, or the same skill level if you lived near and played with another top player before you became a national level player

 

[Vixen]

PP is much, much better than me, but I would argue that I know a little more about the peach match up than him. Especially when I watch the dumb decisions he makes sometimes, and when he gets defensive when i point them out. x_x

 

[Divinokage]

PP is much, much better than me, but I would argue that I know a little more about the peach match up than him. Especially when I watch the dumb decisions he makes sometimes, and when he gets defensive when i point them out. x_x

Ya but knowing the matchup in relation to what? I mean if you really knew the matchup better than it should mean you should not lose to any Peach.

 

[Deleted member]

LMAO Boss totally would hate that hahahaha

lots of people hate it. it gets boring to play a 1.5 character game sometimes.

 

[KirbyKaze]

why thank you sir =)

Wanna help me drink this whole vat of chocolate syrup?

 

[Vixen]

Ya but knowing the matchup in relation to what? I mean if you really knew the matchup better than it should mean you should not lose to any Peach.

This isn't necessarily true. Smash knowledge, and player ability aren't always directly correlated.

If they were, the game would be dominated by Magus/Strongbad, and Axe would be the worst player in the game.

Just because I know as much as I do about fighting peach doesn't mean I'm suddenly a better player than every peach player ever. I'm still going to lose to a peach player who is a better player than me most of the time, though I might be able to steal wins from peaches who aren't as accustomed to the match up as I am.

 

[Bones0]

Knowing how the game works is completely different from knowing how to play in a way that lets you win. The large majority of their knowledge are simply facts that can be memorized, or simple processes to understand like how DI and stun work. PP's knowledge of how not only Peach, but Peach players work is much more abstract. You can't simply explain to someone how Peach plays and how you have to play to beat her. On a lot of levels, I don't think top players themselves know all the reason for why things are done the way they are. Sometimes top players just base decisions of intuition based on massive quantities of raw experience with the game.

The intuitive executive: Understanding and applying ‘gut feel’ in decision-making

Cultivating Intuitive Decisionmaking

 

[Vixen]

Doesn't change the fact that pp makes dumb decisions vs peach, even if he disagrees with me.

 

[Bones0]

Everyone makes dumb decisions sometimes. If you don't agree with each other on why some of his decisions are good or bad, you should talk about why instead of taking it personal. The number one rule to arguments is to make your goal to convince/persuade them you're right. Too often people get into their caveman mentality of "me vs. them", and will instead try to argue their opponent into oblivion. All that ever does is put the other person into their defensive denial mode so that they won't agree to even the most reasonable things. I have had problems with this in the past because I get passionate over things that I argue about, and when people don't see my side I tend to get frustrated and angry instead of trying to empathize and alter my perspective (shoutouts to arguing about religion on the internet all through middle and high school). And I don't mean that in the way that you might humor their argument, but rather truly embrace Devil's advocate so much to the point that you almost incorporate their views as a universal truth before trying to think out the problem.

 

[Strong Badam]

Magus and I actually dominate this game, you guys just don't realize it yet.

 

[WestBallz]

Broke my controller on the way to michigan by crushing it in my bag. Frootloop is not even close to my skill lvl rofl and stupid noobs will be stupid noobs. Hankypanky is actually pretty legit but next time im gonna have a brand new controller and ill show u guys all why people think im one of the best. Going to Rom because of how bad i played. Showing all u scrubs what a true falco will look like when im actually playing good.

 

[Divinokage]

I smell some fraudulence! Come get exposed at RoM!

 

[WestBallz]

ROFL dude ur terrible and lost to stab get out of here

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

I'd put 10 on wes over kage

any takers

 

[V3ctorMan]

West is really awwwwsuuuuuummmmmmm

like more awesome then me....

and i'm pretty awesome.......

uhhh melee?

stabbed is cool too... I like his hair.. yyyyyyeeeeeeeaaaaaaahhhhhhh

uhhhh yeah, YOSHI!!!

Kage's cool too.. but he plays ganon... and yoshi > ganon.. xD pointless trash talk on my end..

 

[Divinokage]

ROFL dude ur terrible and lost to stab get out of here

Funny how quickly you talk about the past and also about losses.. what have you done? Come and get it! You lost to me in Falco ditto at Apex.. was your controller broken?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Dance puppets, dance!