Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

[Chaco]

I love being able to refresh to a few more replies.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

That's what got me lynched in Boondock Saints, if you recall.

If Red and Green knew each other, then I would assume they're working together which would mean that there is a faction that likely has more than one member. This implies that scum would have scummates to buddy.

 

[M.K]

That's what got me lynched in Boondock Saints, if you recall.

If Red and Green knew each other, then I would assume they're working together which would mean that there is a faction that likely has more than one member. This implies that scum would have scummates to buddy.

Based on the flavor post after the first post, it's pretty reasonable to suspect that Red and Green are not working together. If they are, in fact, competing for a certain goal to "win", it's pretty likely that they wouldn't be working as a team.
The most interesting thing that I've been thinking about is: Could Red or Green capture Mewtwo? If so, that's something to think about concerning Mewtwo.
However, I definitely think that this whole "OMG Who we target?Pick one:Mewtwo, Red, or Green?" thing is pretty **** stupid. At this point in the game, it should be obvious that we should be on the look out for all three of them, and not just zone in on one of them because they may or may not be more powerful than the other.
This game is so out there, it's hard to know where to start; However, we have three clear targets: Red, Green, and Mewtwo.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Was that even in any kind of context with the quote you pulled? Opinions on the matters at hand, sir.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

How are we supposed to even find Mewtwo first? Give me a reason why a trainer would act differently in this game than Mewtwo atm. The three of them are pretty much all independents against the wild pokemon.

I was going over the setup and learning what I could about it with the town and came to the fact that as a player, Mewtwo is obviously a greater threat unless the trainers can kill people as well. The upside to being recruited by a trainer is that at least we would still be in the game, albeit under a different faction with a different win condition.

Did you even read what i said about mewtwo killing a trainer when he has recruited everyone? You seem to try to be making an effort to find mewtwo rather than the trainers.

 

[M.K]

Was that even in any kind of context with the quote you pulled? Opinions on the matters at hand, sir.

Xonar is ever so scummy, but I agree with the fact that lynching 1 day into Day 1 is pretty foolish. No matter if he's alive for a bit moreso that more discussion is generated; it benefits town either way. If someone slips (like Xonar did) later on, we can re-evaulate the situation. However, if nothing really manifests against anyone else, then we have Xonar still. I still haven't really seen a good defense from him.

 

[Ronike]

Hey meta, wanna not parrot? Why do you think Xonar is scummy?

 

[McFox]

I don't like your reasoning there. Nor do I think Mewtwo will just be a SK. I think Mewtwo will have more impact than a serial killer would. I don't really feel comfortable with saying more about how the game 'might' work. I just don't really like how the discussion is flowing towards 'let's target the trainers first' when getting either the trainers or Mewtwo would be a good thing.

The whole "discussion" about this taking place is your fault, not mine. I said the trainers were a bigger threat than Mewtwo. You decided you wanted to lynch me because of it, and now we're having this discussion. I agree that lynching Mewtwo would be great, but I stand by my statement that the trainers are a bigger threat to us than Mewtwo is.

However, reading everything, I don't think anyone has "zoned in" (Meta-Kirby) on any one threat. We're just discussing threat levels. Like I said that someone else said before (you may or may not recall), it's basically impossible to hunt for them in any special way right now, since at this moment they're just three independents, trying to stay alive.

Which is why I find Swords really scummy right now. He clearly flipped his opinion on Xonar once public opinion against Xonar started gaining momentum. As an independent player, Swords would be happy with any lynch except his own.

I think I'm voting Ronike right now, so if I am

Unvote

Vote: Swords

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Xonar is ever so scummy, but I agree with the fact that lynching 1 day into Day 1 is pretty foolish. No matter if he's alive for a bit moreso that more discussion is generated; it benefits town either way. If someone slips (like Xonar did) later on, we can re-evaulate the situation. However, if nothing really manifests against anyone else, then we have Xonar still. I still haven't really seen a good defense from him.

Just ti clarify that you're not making it up as you go, what defense have you seen?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

The whole "discussion" about this taking place is your fault, not mine. I said the trainers were a bigger threat than Mewtwo. You decided you wanted to lynch me because of it, and now we're having this discussion. I agree that lynching Mewtwo would be great, but I stand by my statement that the trainers are a bigger threat to us than Mewtwo is.

However, reading everything, I don't think anyone has "zoned in" (Meta-Kirby) on any one threat. We're just discussing threat levels. Like I said that someone else said before (you may or may not recall), it's basically impossible to hunt for them in any special way right now, since at this moment they're just three independents, trying to stay alive.

Which is why I find Swords really scummy right now. He clearly flipped his opinion on Xonar once public opinion against Xonar started gaining momentum. As an independent player, Swords would be happy with any lynch except his own.

I think I'm voting Ronike right now, so if I am

Unvote

Vote: Swords

Explain how i "flipped my opinion on Xonar" when i hadn't expressed my opinion on him until after he dropped the scumslip? My vote is still on him right now.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Ok a few basic things to stop ****** babble:

1.) Getting recruited hurts town more than you just dieing. If you're dead, you can't help the town but you also can't work against it. If you get recruited you can actively operate against the town both behaviorally and numerically. Bad news. This isn't even debatable.

2.) Why are we assuming that everyone pokemon has a PR? Given the evolution system, I'd be willing to bet a chunk of the players right now DONT have PRs but have the POTENTIAL to obtain them in the future. Yes Ronike, you were tunneling on this.

3.) Red, Green, and Mewtwo are all anti-town. We should be lynching ANYONE who we suspect is one of these three players. It's day 1 and the situation neither facilitates NOR demands actively postponing discussion and follow through of the lynch of one anti-town player in favor of another.

4.) Don't be dumb and force people to claim when they've laid out obvious breadcrumbs. People who aren't paying attention (i.e. coasting scum) will miss these things and revealing that lack of knowledge is good for the town. Yes Summoner, I'm looking at you. There was no reason to pose that question to Ryker about his role when his suggestions about the matter were brutally obvious. Don't be dumb.

5.) Don't be dumb and think we need to preserve any anti town faction in order to take down any of the others. McFox said it perfectly; the tool we as the town have to topple the scum is a little thing we call the LYNCH. We don't need mewtwo to get rid of the trainers for us and we certainly don't need the trainers to get rid of mewtwo.

Anyway, top suspects still remain Xonar and Swords with Summoner in a close 3rd.

Concerning KevMo's input, as lacking as it is, it reminds me of Left 4 Scum where we both sat around with our thumbs up our ***** because the setup was so strange and we didn't know how to scum hunt.

Obviously it isn't very good play but it doesn't particularly reek of scum to me. Hardcore metagaming, I know.

 

[KevinM]

Swords, Xonar, *insert Lurker*

Should die.

Thats about as much as I have gotten so far.

 

[KevinM]

Actually Frozen you nailed it to a T.

However I'm trying to adapt to the situation :D

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Explain how i "flipped my opinion on Xonar" when i hadn't expressed my opinion on him until after he dropped the scumslip? My vote is still on him right now.

I'll fetch the quotes

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Yeah, Xonar has dropped major scumslip, he needs to go. Vote: Xonar

First vote.

I don't think it was an honest slip, although i don't know for sure.

Next post after Revote.

 

[McFox]

That's leaving yourself open to say "Well I wasn't sure if it was actually a slip, but everyone else thought it was," after you've already pushed opinion in that direction with your first post saying that it was a slip.

I'd honestly prefer Swords to Xonar right now.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I still like Chibo over Swords.

 

[Chaco]

I still like Xonar.

 

[Omis]

Im going for Xonar so far.
It seems like he did slip up on his post. It just really reeks of him not having a role which, could or could not mean he is scum. There is evolutions and exploring so I wouldnt find it too odd for a vanilla.

Everyone needs to ignore breadcrumbing.

We need to stop looking so hard into Trainers and Mewtwo. They only matter after weve lynched one of them. Right now squabbling about them doesnt do anything.

So many pages.

 

[KevinM]

Im going for Xonar so far.
It seems like he did slip up on his post. It just really reeks of him not having a role which, could or could not mean he is scum. There is evolutions and exploring so I wouldnt find it too odd for a vanilla.

Everyone needs to ignore breadcrumbing.

We need to stop looking so hard into Trainers and Mewtwo. They only matter after weve lynched one of them. Right now squabbling about them doesnt do anything.

So many pages.

Why do people need to ignore breadcrumbing?

 

[Tom]

Route 1-2
Xonar (5) Hando, Meta-Kirby, frozenflame, Gheb, Chibo
Chibo (2) Xonar, Ryker
SwordsRbroken (2) Kirbyoshi, McFox
Ronike (1) KevinM
McFox (1) Summoner

Not voting (4) Omis, Ronike, SwordsR, Chaco

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Sunday, March 21st, Noon EST.

Please be sure to check your vote is in the right place. This thread exploded in 12 hours, and I didn't expect it or I would have vote counted sooner.

 

[M.K]

My vote is still on Xonar Tom.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I thought my vote was on xonar. Vote:Xonar

 

[Handorin]

Unvote....
Cause those votes put Xonar at l-1................
Post coming soon....wanted to get that out of......

 

[Handorin]

how do they dwindle the numbers faster?

I noticed this has been addressed....but 2 possible recruits a night...town has a potential of losing 3 members a night....obvious or not......

lol at ridiculous [fake?]posting restriction. Not sure what to think of this.

Point is...? I'm tired....

Inb4 obvious buddying

Yea, guys.....trainers couldn't recruit.....no one could do actions.....there are no tamed pokemon, just wild.....

Oh, and Hando sounds like SNOORRLAXXX.

^Hando?

Huh....? I'm just tired...

Why? I don't think the trainers have a starter Pokemon, so I'm working under the assumption that they're probably all alone. Besides, if Xonar flips Red/Green and I'm still alive then why would you chase me?

Faulty logic, imo.

Right...anyone who might buddy with a trainer, but doesn't die after a lynch....obvious *other* faction...could still be the other trainer/tamed/m2

Stupid Xiivi

Xiivi, if you're reading this, I'm probably drawing a pink penor at you in msn.

You forgot Hando.

Thread has been open.....1 DAY....I have to work....and slee..............

How are we supposed to even find Mewtwo first? Give me a reason why a trainer would act differently in this game than Mewtwo atm. The three of them are pretty much all independents against the wild pokemon.

I was going over the setup and learning what I could about it with the town and came to the fact that as a player, Mewtwo is obviously a greater threat unless the trainers can kill people as well. The upside to being recruited by a trainer is that at least we would still be in the game, albeit under a different faction with a different win condition.

(Kinda adding)...As I always say....don't look for mafia....scumhunt and deal with possible various results.....antitown is antitown....
(Not adding)...Buddying will happen later...maybe obvious.....but they are alive and now against us...How is that better and more dangerous than dead? Sure they can scumhunt....there are 2 other factions for them to look at...

Clear enough for ya? If not, let's dissect this sentence.

-Notice how he uses the word bet? It's because he doesn't know if they do or not.
-He says pokemon out of context entirely! Upon reading the sentence do you get the feel he is a pokemon?
-Note looking for the next points purpose...
-...at the SAMPLE Role PM. Meaning he cannot look at his own and deduce this. Whether or not he did or did not have powers it could be deduced. Agree or disagree?

QFE............

Pokemon is a faction in this game. If he had put wild in front of it, would it have been okay? If someone was saying in that L4S game I looked at that, "I bet survivors have PR's too." would it have been such a slip.

Put it into context with the Chibo quote he was referencing.

Point taken about the sample PM.

No....It's only a general category...m2 is a pokemon......
Recruited pokemon are against us, wild pokemon are working together....
Completely differe.............

Xonar has been much more pro-town so far than a lot of other people *coughChibocough* and if he flips Red/Green/Mewtwo, I'll self-vote next phase.

How...?

Self voting is incredibly anti town regardless of the situation.

Hi........

That's what got me lynched in Boondock Saints, if you recall.

If Red and Green knew each other, then I would assume they're working together which would mean that there is a faction that likely has more than one member. This implies that scum would have scummates to buddy.

They are working against each other........obvious by flavor...
If they knew each other...they would constantly try and lynch the other...they are vying for pokemon and strength within the game...cause they wanna be the very best, that no one ever was...to catch them is their real test, to train them is their cause..........they will travel across the land...............searching far and wide.....

Did you even read what i said about mewtwo killing a trainer when he has recruited everyone? You seem to try to be making an effort to find mewtwo rather than the trainers.

So...? I'm sure if you look for m2, or any other faction....you could accidentally find another...........we can also lynch trainers....I also can't tell from the wording....but trainers can't recruit everyone, nor can m2...(and I doubt he can at all actually....)

Ok a few basic things to stop ****** babble:

1.) Getting recruited hurts town more than you just dieing. If you're dead, you can't help the town but you also can't work against it. If you get recruited you can actively operate against the town both behaviorally and numerically. Bad news. This isn't even debatable.

2.) Why are we assuming that everyone pokemon has a PR? Given the evolution system, I'd be willing to bet a chunk of the players right now DONT have PRs but have the POTENTIAL to obtain them in the future. Yes Ronike, you were tunneling on this.

3.) Red, Green, and Mewtwo are all anti-town. We should be lynching ANYONE who we suspect is one of these three players. It's day 1 and the situation neither facilitates NOR demands actively postponing discussion and follow through of the lynch of one anti-town player in favor of another.

4.) Don't be dumb and force people to claim when they've laid out obvious breadcrumbs. People who aren't paying attention (i.e. coasting scum) will miss these things and revealing that lack of knowledge is good for the town. Yes Summoner, I'm looking at you. There was no reason to pose that question to Ryker about his role when his suggestions about the matter were brutally obvious. Don't be dumb.

5.) Don't be dumb and think we need to preserve any anti town faction in order to take down any of the others. McFox said it perfectly; the tool we as the town have to topple the scum is a little thing we call the LYNCH. We don't need mewtwo to get rid of the trainers for us and we certainly don't need the trainers to get rid of mewtwo.

Anyway, top suspects still remain Xonar and Swords with Summoner in a close 3rd.

Concerning KevMo's input, as lacking as it is, it reminds me of Left 4 Scum where we both sat around with our thumbs up our ***** because the setup was so strange and we didn't know how to scum hunt.

Obviously it isn't very good play but it doesn't particularly reek of scum to me. Hardcore metagaming, I know.

this, This, THIS.... Agree with everything 110%, including suspicions.....actually I don't have a good read on summoner....so maybe 109%....

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm fairly sure we'll find Red, Green, and Mewtwo on this wagon because it's pushing something really, REALLY, stupid.

This is a pretty abudant assumption considering that the assumed anti-town fractions Red, Green and Mew2 don't share allignment. Even if we are wagoning a correct lynch toDay scum can still be on that wagon. They don't have to just beat the wild Pokémon but every other allignment too. This is also includes the two other assumed anti-town fractions.

The most interesting thing that I've been thinking about is: Could Red or Green capture Mewtwo? If so, that's something to think about concerning Mewtwo.

A better question: Does it even matter? For a townie there is little reason to care about who belongs to which anti-town fraction. The whole recruitment thing will probably muck up mid- to endgame with more than enough WIFOM anyway - I really don't want to concern myself with a question that will possibly have no impace at all to the town.

Don't be dumb and force people to claim when they've laid out obvious breadcrumbs. People who aren't paying attention (i.e. coasting scum) will miss these things and revealing that lack of knowledge is good for the town. Yes Summoner, I'm looking at you. There was no reason to pose that question to Ryker about his role when his suggestions about the matter were brutally obvious. Don't be dumb.

This is a good post and it lines up with my thought process from earlier. Stop pointing out breadcrumbs, stop fishing for characters and stop hinting at roles. Scum can obtain that power and use it against us, guys! - the less they know about us the better.

In this context I think Meta-Kirby has been guilty of a brutally dumb move by potentially outing Handorin as Snorlax based on his assumed posting rectriction. Am I the only one who's bothered by that? He did exactly the same thing in Scum Wars mafia where he outed Xiivyoshi as Obi Wan. I originally fosed him for that but it looks like nobody got the catch. Now that his most recent posts were more filler (fluffed with parrots) than anything else I'd like to re-emphasize my suspicions against him.

Unvote Vote Meta-Kirby

Xonar is indeed the best play toDay after everything that's been said and I will be there to vote him when it comes down to the lynch. Right now however I'd be also happy with a Meta-Kirby lynch.

Everyone needs to ignore breadcrumbing.

What the hell is this? A failed attempt to parrot Frozen or just a completely miseducated thing to say? I have no idea why you would say that - you're either really dense or I'm stupid and can't make sense out of it.

 

[CT Chia]

Unvote....
Cause those votes put Xonar at l-1................
Post coming soon....wanted to get that out of......

No they didn't, it put him at L-2. Tom updated the count with MK's vote but not Swords, so 5+ 1 = 6 = L-2

 

[CT Chia]

EBWOP and now with gheb off of him L-3

 

[CT Chia]

EBWOP crap im confuising myself but with hando off its L-4

 

[Handorin]

Why would he say his vote was on Xonar then if Tom had it there.....? >_>

 

[Handorin]

EBWOP:
lol time stamp fail...........

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Mega reply as things exploded when I was asleep. God, the pokemon love here is overwhelming <3

Y'all seem to be forgetting that I like Xonar as a lynch not only because of his slip, but because he didn't realize that all pokes have PRs anyways. Sure, he can pretend this was to protect himself for outing himself as a PR, but thats still bogus since EVERYONE HAS A PR. Easily noted both by the theme, mod, and comparison with example PR.

The theme isn't directly indicative. The mod I don't know anything about and the example PM was a PR, does that indicate something? It's just an example...

It has, but that's typical Chibo and very typical Ronike. Meta says otherwise, but D1 lynch is no doubt Xonar.

FoS

Let me defend myself, watch the red.

Clear enough for ya? If not, let's dissect this sentence.

-Notice how he uses the word bet? It's because he doesn't know if they do or not.
I don't know if they ALL do or not.
-He says pokemon out of context entirely! Upon reading the sentence do you get the feel he is a pokemon?
That was because it was a reply to Chibo, saying Pokemon is easier than 'them' or something similair, as you don't have to scroll up and see what exactly I'm referencing.
-Note looking for the next points purpose...
? wut
-...at the SAMPLE Role PM. Meaning he cannot look at his own and deduce this. Whether or not he did or did not have powers it could be deduced. Agree or disagree?
Sample role PM is an universal media. I can use my own PM as a reference but others wouldn't be able to see it. If I'm talking about something I rather use an universal example. If I'd say 'Looking at my own PM', would that be better for you? I would read that as someone trying too hard to be town, but that's just me.

Cause otherwise, YOU are tunneling Xonar-town besides many many MANY people agreeing he seems scummy. And why the desire to self-vote?

I seem scummy? I haven't seen ANYONE make a case on me beside my 'slip'. So ignoring the 'slip', I wouldn't be scummy at all.

Xonar is ever so scummy, but I agree with the fact that lynching 1 day into Day 1 is pretty foolish. No matter if he's alive for a bit moreso that more discussion is generated; it benefits town either way. If someone slips (like Xonar did) later on, we can re-evaulate the situation. However, if nothing really manifests against anyone else, then we have Xonar still. I still haven't really seen a good defense from him.

Elaborate, besides the slip
Read better, plz. I've explained my reason for my statement, and I haven't seen any good accusation from anyone besides that

Im going for Xonar so far.
It seems like he did slip up on his post. It just really reeks of him not having a role which, could or could not mean he is scum. There is evolutions and exploring so I wouldnt find it too odd for a vanilla.

Everyone needs to ignore breadcrumbing.

We need to stop looking so hard into Trainers and Mewtwo. They only matter after weve lynched one of them. Right now squabbling about them doesnt do anything.

So many pages.

Remember that everyone has a PR?


I'd certainly love anyone to point out how I'm scummy without keeping the 'slip' in mind. Then I'd like to provide a quick explanation for those who missed it:

Chibo said:

we're not dealing with Town PR's like in most mafia games

To which I replied

I bet pokemon have PR's too, looking at the sample role PM

I bet pokemon have PR's too. 'bet' was the lethal word here. And I'm using 'pokemon' instead of 'town' because pokemon is the name for town?
looking at the sample role PM 'just look at the sample role PM, it has a PR' this is a way to make it clear that PR's are certainly in the game, as there's one in the sample PM and there are tabs there too.

Would it be any different if I said 'I'm sure town has PR's too'? Because honestly, the point here is that it's looking like I'm not sure if Town has PR's, while there's OBVIOUSLY a PR even in the sample PM. I could've also just said 'sure' as it IS sure if you look at the PM. What scum would be so dumb as to not actually check the sample PM?

Oh en for my vote, unvote, vote: chaco. I don't like how he pushes for the 'easy lynch' at all.

Much love to everyone who read that through.

 

[CT Chia]

@Xonar "Talking a lot = scum? FoS for that, +request elaboration."

I said he's been talked to death, meaning we've all discussed a lot about you, so I don't feel the need to re-type the reasoning on why I thought you were scum since it should be obvious.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@Xonar "Talking a lot = scum? FoS for that, +request elaboration."

I said he's been talked to death, meaning we've all discussed a lot about you, so I don't feel the need to re-type the reasoning on why I thought you were scum since it should be obvious.

The slip? Nothing beside that, like everybody else...

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Btw, my roleclaim might actually not be that bad for town. I'm willing to claim when on L-1 without much hassle.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I love being able to refresh to a few more replies.

FYI, you killed it.

 

[Handorin]

I seem scummy? I haven't seen ANYONE make a case on me beside my 'slip'. So ignoring the 'slip', I wouldn't be scummy at all.

Why should we ignore a mistake......if it's a mistake...? "I didn't shoot this guy. Ignore the fact that there....is only a shoe print that matches my shoe.... at the scene...and my shoe happens to be dirty....Everything else checks out!" No... evidence is evidence....

And I'm using 'pokemon' instead of 'town' because pokemon is the name for town?

No....there are pokemon in the game......
soon there will be anti-town pokemon....as well as pro-town....

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

The problem is that it's not evidence. You can't say that it's a slip for sure.

@the second point, that's bullshizzle and you know it. Right now there are no recruits so it would be approperiate to use.

 

[Handorin]

The problem is that it's not evidence. You can't say that it's a slip for sure.

@the second point, that's bullshizzle and you know it. Right now there are no recruits so it would be approperiate to use.

Why would you want to form a bad habit then....?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Wat you say?