Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

[#HBC | Ryker]

Who am I parroting...?

I've seen a good 3 or 4 people say there was more and not back it up.

EBWOP: Also, not a cop out. I'm just not going to adjust his scum play for him. If you'd like to do so, be my guest. There's no point in pointing out my tells on him. It's like listing off town tells, who does that?

Hurr durr. That was a terrible post.

It's called building a case. You know, where you point out what a player has done that has been scummy. It's how you scum hunt, but you're not doing that. You want a quick lynch so you can have a Night Phase to try and recruit.

Your high horse rant is INCREDIBLY hypocritical.

 

[Chaco]

@Everyone trying to be Marshy:

@Ryker: There's already enough compelling reason to lynch Xonar, posting trends that I find scummy do not account for a case. They are, and here's the magic word, scum tells.

Believe what you want Ryker, on the high horse issue. When he flips scum you can self vote like you promised.

 

[Chaco]

I've seen a good 3 or 4 people say there was more and not back it up.

That's not parroting, and you just proved my point for me. Thanks.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

No. You're saying it just because others have said it. You're obviously shooting blanks and bluffing about seeing more.

 

[Chaco]

No. You're saying it just because others have said it. You're obviously shooting blanks and bluffing about seeing more.

Yes, you're so right Ryker. I long to be like them so much.

 

[Ronike]

Hey guys, this is starting to get awfully close to a flame war... Perhaps chill out?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Ninja Ronike.

Sure, as long as people will comment on Chaco's refusal to back up his statements.

 

[Chaco]

I hope they do.

 

[McFox]

I've been pushing Chibo for awhile now. He's been role fishing since early in the day phase. I believe that to be more indicative of a trainer than Swords sense of self-preservation you mentioned earlier.

I disagree. Like I said earlier, how is a trainer going to catch you if you are in a different city? So even if someone's power is outed, I don't think the trainer will be able to just recruit you during the night from across the world (yes I could be wrong, but it wouldn't make much sense to me). Thus, while knowing our powers would be beneficial to them, their highest priority will be self-preservation, or in other words, any lynch that is not their own.

Yeah, you just proved it. You are that **** stupid. Your overconfidence in your limited ability, or lack thereof, makes it humorous o watch you flaunt around the game on your high horse. It's **** near pathetic.

You're talking about yourself here, right? Like, seriously?

Even if I give everyone that his first post could easily have been a scumslip, I don't like how Chaco especially is padding his "case" with "scumtells," but can't actually name any of them. He wants to seem super brownie-townie by saying "Oh I've got a whole list of stuff Xonar's done, I'm so town I can just tell," but won't deliver?

FoS: Chaco

That's not playing his game Chaco, that's called playing the game. The game of mafia, specifically. You talk about what you're thinking and why you make actions. Refusing to release details on why you want to kill someone doesn't help anyone.

Honestly, I'm not convinced that Xonar is scum at this point. His first post could have been due to english being his second language, coupled with everything he's said about the post. I could probably be convinced otherwise, but the only person I've seen who's really come up with any other reason to vote Xonar aside from the slip is frozen very early on for Xonar's dodging of the accusation.

Believe what you want Ryker, on the high horse issue. When he flips scum you can self vote like you promised.

100% anti-town lines. You are being hypocritical, saying that Xonar is "overconfident in his limited ability, or lack thereof," and that it "makes it humorous o watch him flaunt around the game on his high horse?" And that it's "**** near pathetic?" That's a description of you, not Xonar. Not even close.

Chaco, back up your case or I'm switching my vote over to you. Nothing you've done has been pro-town so far.

 

[McFox]

EBWOP: You know what?

Unvote

Vote: Chaco

A bunch of people unvoted Xonar and frozen attempted to point attention elsewhere just before you decided to go into this little tyrade to make sure EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT XONAR IS STILL THE BEST LYNCH. I think you don't want the town to spend the rest of the Day talking, and you're mad because Xonar was so close to a lynch and now the heat was off of him. You're pushing the easy lynch ("He slipped! Everyone else thinks he's scum!"), but can't even tell us why you think he's scummy apart from a single post that he made. Since that post (which was very early in D1), Xonar has been 100% on the defensive.

So show us what you've got Chaco.

 

[Chaco]

I bet pokemon have PR's too, looking at the sample role PM

Scum Tell #1: PR Slip Up

Btw guys, I just reread the flavor. The trainers get 3 balls, that mean that if they recruit, recruits are limited. While it's probably also possible to find a new ball, it's highly doubtful that an actual trainer does so.
So, assuming recruits are limited, what do you guys think about trainers? Independent from each other? @some, still a greater threat then mewtwo?

This to me, does seem like he is speaking from, once again, a differing point of view. He, like Ronike said, seems to be speaking as if he has inside information.

Like I said, Gheb, I referenced to the Sample Role PM because IT HAS A PR. Exactly like you said. I was clarifying for people without a special power.

Besides, let's pull it back into context now:
Chibo said:

Then I replied

This is him trying to catch himself upon making the mistake. If you don't have a Power, it lists as none. The sample PM would not be needed to see this.

The context he speaks off, still doesn't make that much sense. He still was speaking out of context.

Gheb said everyone has a PR in M3D's games. I bet all wilds have a power.

I can't dodge an accusation if I don't know what the accusation is.

Two things here:
1)Compound? I bet all wilds have powers::I bet pokemon have PR's too. This is two examples of him fumbling around at Pokemons powers and trying to initiate discussion in the powers.

2) He babbled like a ****** and ignored Ronike.

Vote: Swords for putting me at L-1 in this stage of the game.

This is a textbook OMGUS, whether you find it scummy or not. I still do. Many people do not like using OMGUS's as tells. Now, I'm going to be honest. Does it matter if he's at L-1? I don't see the worry. Well, to elaborate, I don't see town worrying about being at L-1. Especially at that stage, everyone knows scum isn't going to quick lynch on D1. There's no harm. I treated this as a scum tell.

Putting someone at L-1 right now is just downright scummy, OMGUS or not.

Wrong. Of course, opinions differ.

Unvote, Vote: Gheb
FoS: Everyone who is trying to say everyone has a power role

I'm quoting this to note this.

Reason doesn't matter

Tell us how. My argument is mainly that I used the rolePM as a way to make it simpler for those without a power. The comment was based on that post of you that I still dont understand. Elaboration on that post is still welcome.

Look at the top line. That's when Chibo confronted Xonar about, pretty much, fishing. Asking him the reason behind it. It doesn't matter? I'd say it does.

The way he worded the bottom is confusing. He talks in a circle.

Mega reply as things exploded when I was asleep. God, the pokemon love here is overwhelming <3

The theme isn't directly indicative. The mod I don't know anything about and the example PM was a PR, does that indicate something? It's just an example...

Uses a different excuse about the PM. Scum tell. They don't mesh.

I thought about this too, but then I figured: how does that work with speed? Is a pokemon faster than the trainer safe? Is a pokemon slower than the trainer safe? So no confirm on this one.

Null.

Talking a lot = scum? FoS for that, +request elaboration.

This is an OMGUS FoS. And he's requesting elaboration on something that he quotes next that is elaborated. Reading is tech.

Ok, I misread this one though. But don't you think that a 'cop' would've been held in higher regard than i.e. ronike?

FoS + need elaboration

Don't compare someone like me to someone like you.
I'm trying to explain myself. There are OBVIOUSLY 2 sides of the coin, 1 side being your interpetation and 1 side being what I meant. Is it strange for me to explain myself?
So if scum talks in town context, I would be the opposite of scum making me town.

Oh, like the top line. There are two sides, which represent the two stances you've taken on your slip. Then there's the surface which it is landing on, which is our opinions.

Also, love the loaded questions.


FoS

Let me defend myself, watch the red.



I seem scummy? I haven't seen ANYONE make a case on me beside my 'slip'. So ignoring the 'slip', I wouldn't be scummy at all.


Elaborate, besides the slip
Read better, plz. I've explained my reason for my statement, and I haven't seen any good accusation from anyone besides that


<3


Remember that everyone has a PR?

Uhm, what? No. Haven't we gone over this like in 3 posts now?

I'd certainly love anyone to point out how I'm scummy without keeping the 'slip' in mind. Then I'd like to provide a quick explanation for those who missed it:

Chibo said:

To which I replied

I bet pokemon have PR's too. 'bet' was the lethal word here. And I'm using 'pokemon' instead of 'town' because pokemon is the name for town?
looking at the sample role PM 'just look at the sample role PM, it has a PR' this is a way to make it clear that PR's are certainly in the game, as there's one in the sample PM and there are tabs there too.

I don't like this explanation, and I've said why. It seems like it was thrown up like a wall to block the blows on his slip. Your PM can show you PRs are in this game.

Would it be any different if I said 'I'm sure town has PR's too'? Because honestly, the point here is that it's looking like I'm not sure if Town has PR's, while there's OBVIOUSLY a PR even in the sample PM. I could've also just said 'sure' as it IS sure if you look at the PM. What scum would be so dumb as to not actually check the sample PM?

No because once again you are talking OUT of context! You are talking from either an independent or scum point of view.

Oh en for my vote, unvote, vote: chaco. I don't like how he pushes for the 'easy lynch' at all.

To be quite honest, the easy lynch does not by any means mean it is the wrong lynch.

Much love to everyone who read that through.

EBWOP: You know what?

Unvote

Vote: Chaco

A bunch of people unvoted Xonar and frozen attempted to point attention elsewhere just before you decided to go into this little tyrade to make sure EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT XONAR IS STILL THE BEST LYNCH. I think you don't want the town to spend the rest of the Day talking, and you're mad because Xonar was so close to a lynch and now the heat was off of him. You're pushing the easy lynch ("He slipped! Everyone else thinks he's scum!"), but can't even tell us why you think he's scummy apart from a single post that he made. Since that post (which was very early in D1), Xonar has been 100% on the defensive.

So show us what you've got Chaco.

McFox, I can honestly say no scum would do that. That is just dumb. I'm not going to risk getting lynch by pushing someone as hard as that when I'm scum. And you're nest part is covered now.

Done, and I ask you to do the same. Your vote is based off of me pushing a lynch. Which you call the easy lynch, and I raise you the same statement: Just because it is the easy lynch does not by any means mean it is the wrong lynch.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

This is a textbook OMGUS, whether you find it scummy or not. I still do. Many people do not like using OMGUS's as tells. Now, I'm going to be honest. Does it matter if he's at L-1? I don't see the worry. Well, to elaborate, I don't see town worrying about being at L-1. Especially at that stage, everyone knows scum isn't going to quick lynch on D1. There's no harm. I treated this as a scum tell.

Rofl. You freaked out going, "OMG!? DID I HAMMER!?"

It happens. That's why putting someone at L-1 this early is scummy. I want to get to the meat of your post in a second, but I've got something to do.

 

[Chaco]

Rofl. You freaked out going, "OMG!? DID I HAMMER!?"

It happens. That's why putting someone at L-1 this early is scummy. I want to get to the meat of your post in a second, but I've got something to do.

That was because I had only read one page, and thought there was only one.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Obviously, accidental hammers are possible. Leaving someone at L-1 is juts inviting someone to do so. Anyway, I'm done with my homework and will dissect your post after I eat.

 

[McFox]

McFox, I can honestly say no scum would do that. That is just dumb. I'm not going to risk getting lynch by pushing someone as hard as that when I'm scum. And you're nest part is covered now.

Dumb scum could. There's no harm in making sure.

Done, and I ask you to do the same. Your vote is based off of me pushing a lynch. Which you call the easy lynch, and I raise you the same statement: Just because it is the easy lynch does not by any means mean it is the wrong lynch.

My vote wasn't based on you pushing a lynch, it was my perception that you were pushing a lynch going off of no reasoning. I didn't even say it was the wrong lynch, only that I wasn't convinced because nobody had actually brought up all these scumtells that Xonar's been giving off. I was going to see if I could go point-by-point with you just to play devil's advocate, but really I couldn't come up with much.

I'm glad someone finally brought up some more stuff. I'm going to put together a few quotes that sum up the problem I'm now having with Xonar:

I bet pokemon have PR's too, looking at the sample role PM

The initial problem.

Like I said, Gheb, I referenced to the Sample Role PM because IT HAS A PR. Exactly like you said. I was clarifying for people without a special power.

Clarifying for vanillas.

Gheb said everyone has a PR in M3D's games. I bet all wilds have a power.

So now he thinks all Pokemon have PRs.

FoS: Everyone who is trying to say everyone has a power role

Since he's already been outed as a vanilla, I don't mind quoting this again for emphasis.

Tell us how. My argument is mainly that I used the rolePM as a way to make it simpler for those without a power.

Okay, so he concedes that there are vanillas in the game.

Remember that everyone has a PR?

Wait wuh?

I think the fact that Xonar can't seem to get his story straight is more indicative than anything. I just needed someone to present his posts in list form, I guess.

I'm okay with a Xonar lynch now, HOWEVER I'd really like to not spend the rest of the day dwelling on him, so

Unvote

Vote: Swords

I don't think he's responded to my vote yet, or to the several other people (frozen and Kev for sure) who have said that they'd be okay with his lynch too.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Xonar is V/LA till Sunday, I think, maybe Monday.

Why can't he say that he was quoting for those with no powers then hear from Gheb and decide that all of them probably do have powers then hear my claim and decide that they don't again?

Also, when was the last quote McFox through up there posted? And in what context?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Unvote

Vote: Swords

I don't think he's responded to my vote yet, or to the several other people (frozen and Kev for sure) who have said that they'd be okay with his lynch too.

*yaawwnn* You haven't really put much of a case against me really. Over me saying i'm not entirely sure about xonar. I myself am now OK with his lynch, but i agree that we should spend some time scumhunting instead of presiding on Xonar. So....

@everyone who are your top suspicions and why?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

BTW i'm still down for chibo lynch too because he's been rolefishing, trying to find Mewtwo most of D1 when trainers are a bigger threat.

 

[KevinM]

I would MUCH rather lynch Chibo today.

I don't like the way he played the first few pages of D1.

The fact that he made mention of how he thought Xonar was scummy, but didn't hop on the wagon until AFTER frozen started pushing it rather hard makes me severely question his play thus far.

Chibo > Xonar > Chaco.

 

[Tom]

Route 1-3
Xonar (5) Meta-Kirby, frozenflame, Chibo, SwordsRbroken, Chaco
Chaco (2) Xonar, Ryker
SwordsRbroken (2) Kirbyoshi, McFox
Ronike (1) KevinM
McFox (1) Summoner
Meta-Kirby (1) Gheb_01

Not voting (3) Omis, Ronike, Handorin

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 to lynch!
A deadline has been set for Sunday, March 21st, Noon EST.

Let's keep it civil.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Btw guys, I just reread the flavor. The trainers get 3 balls, that mean that if they recruit, recruits are limited. While it's probably also possible to find a new ball, it's highly doubtful that an actual trainer does so.
So, assuming recruits are limited, what do you guys think about trainers? Independent from each other? @some, still a greater threat then mewtwo?

Hey y'all, he's talking here like he's not a trainer, just like some of you are saying he wasn't talking like he was a wild. Still not liking the Xonar-parroters. Looking especially hard now at Chaco.

But better hardcore against Xonar than flipflopping on it a la Swords.

 

[KevinM]

Unvote
Vote Chibo

Didn't realize I hadn't voted him

 

[Ronike]

Hmm, both Chaco and Chibo seem a bit scummy and in need of pressure at the moment, so since chaco's wagon has more pressure, I'll hop on the Chibo wagon.

Vote: Chibo

 

[~ Gheb ~]

KevMo, I asked you something

 

[KevinM]

@ Chaco, Frozen, KevMo, Hando, Kirbyo

What do you think about my points on Meta-Kirby? Scum or dumb?

Leaning more towards dumb, would have to reread again though.

 

[Omis]

@People who called me on saying we should ignore breadcrumbs.
I dont see why we should bring peoples breadcrumbs to the front for everyone to see. Whoever did that for Rykers was pretty lame sauce if you ask me.

@Chaco
There is a huge harm in putting someone at L-1 this early in the game. Have you seen how **** fast this game has been moving? There was a huge chance for an accidental hammer. Xonar's OMGUS was justified because the person did indeed suck.

Im undecided on Xonar. More will come later but Im seeing some genuine frustration coming from him and there is a language barrier so I could see why he is confused and badly worded at times.

 

[Chaco]

@Chaco
There is a huge harm in putting someone at L-1 this early in the game. Have you seen how **** fast this game has been moving? There was a huge chance for an accidental hammer. Xonar's OMGUS was justified because the person did indeed suck.

So what if it's moving fast? If people keep up with votes, it will not matter. When he was at L-1, it was well announced. So honestly, I don't see the need for the OMGUS because it's just an excuse to attempt a turnaround.

 

[McFox]

You know that carries slightly less weight coming from the guy who hadn't kept up with the votes and voted. Granted, you weren't aware, but that's entirely the point, isn't it? If he had been at L-1 at that point, you would've hammered him.

 

[Omis]

Do you not see the hypocrisy in what you are saying and doing, Chaco?

 

[Chaco]

On a one time basis yes, but what you are fearing (a quickhammer) is not
plausible at this point. No one is that stupid. I had the thread opened from
an earlier time NOT KNOWING it was like that. The likelihood of that happening
regularly, from anyone, is next to none. You see that right? Mine was a dream
accident. L-1 isn't that big of deal, it's just conditioned response to fear it.

 

[Chaco]

Freak not dream***

stupid phone post.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

The fact that it's possible at all means it's better safe than sorry.

 

[Omis]

Like Ryker said, its better to be sure than to leave possibilities for failure open. No point putting him at L-1.

 

[Chaco]

I'm just saying for future reference that it's not vote worthy.

 

[Omis]

It was perfectly vote worthy when it occurred.

 

[Chaco]

D ebatable.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Anything is technically debatable if someone makes a huge deal out of it. There was no reason to leave him at L-1. Scum self hammer to leave town with the least information possible. Even where they would have no way of victory, they could do it to spite the town.

You're simply wrong.

 

[Kirbyoshi]

Chaco, if you had quickhammered with your first vote, I would have called for your quicklynch toMorrow.

Hypocrisy abounds in Chaco.

 

[Omis]

Why would you be so eager to lynch someone without discussion because they accidentally hammered someone?