Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

[SwordsRbroken]

So, what you're saying is, based on the order in which I decide to order the lynch candidates, being as that they are all equal candidates, determines whether or not it was a contradiction? Sorry, that is a pretty BS point. I like to order my things based on WHEN in the post I described them. I obviously talked about Summoner first, then Xonar and Swords, hence the order. God, nobody can be this dense. I've explained it three times now.

No, you say you don't want a summoner lynch then you say you'd be OK with his lynch. I find it scummy that you list summoner first too.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

FoS: Meta-Kirby

 

[M.K]

Vote: Swords You are annoying me to no end with your inability to grasp even the simplest of concepts. Jesus, every time you've posted something about that post, I give you an explanation. I've done it. The past. FOUR. TIMES. Do you simply just wait a page to post the same thing again? I mean, seriously?

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I don't find your explanations to be enough. BTW your vote reeks of OMGUS.

 

[KevinM]

Here's one vote that doesn't Vote Swords

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

But thinking Meta-kirby and Soaring-Raptor-Blast are more likely to be scum. SRB has been lurking since he replaced and Meta-kirby for contradictions + lurking + rolephising D1.

this did it. you were trying to get me lynched before I even got here. and you say I'm going for an easy lynch? you didn't even look at ryker's actions when saying this, and I hadn't even read through to make any. you're obv. scum.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

L-2 10cahrz.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

this did it. you were trying to get me lynched before I even got here. and you say I'm going for an easy lynch? you didn't even look at ryker's actions when saying this, and I hadn't even read through to make any. you're obv. scum.

You hadn't posted at all since you replaced if i'm correct. How am i obv scum anyways? More elaboration please.

 

[Ronike]

Swords, he said he was rereading before he made any big posts, and then he made a post. Not the greatest post in the world, but then again, he's no Tom or anything. Startin to like swords lynch, but still want Xonar lynch cause he's just not rubbin me in a good way.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Swords, he said he was rereading before he made any big posts, and then he made a post. Not the greatest post in the world, but then again, he's no Tom or anything. Startin to like swords lynch, but still want Xonar lynch cause he's just not rubbin me in a good way.

Could you please FINALLY stop tunnelvisioning on me just because of the **** 'slip'?

 

[Ronike]

Its not just that, if it were, I would have said "I want to lynch Xonar because of the slip", instead notice I said you are rubbing me wrong. There's just something off about your playstyle that I can't quite place my finger on, but you just don't seem townie to me.

 

[CT Chia]

L-2 10cahrz.

Actually he's L-3

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Its not just that, if it were, I would have said "I want to lynch Xonar because of the slip", instead notice I said you are rubbing me wrong. There's just something off about your playstyle that I can't quite place my finger on, but you just don't seem townie to me.

How do you define my playstyle?
In the past (Scum wars etc) I've actually been pretty lurky (going on in uncon atm too D, but decided to post more active (and different) in Nothing Special Mafia (which represented my Dutch playstyle a bit more) and thus I became more active. Oh, I also try to take on more stances n stuff. Yeah.

 

[McFox]

I have a question.

Kev, if someone got captured, why would they claim? You kind of threw this up there and then nobody (including you) commented on it. I can't really imagine why someone who is now scum would claim that they got captured.

"Claims are useless because nobody will claim scum." -karthik_king

 

[Chaco]

Alright,I just got home and am about to fall over. I literally do not have the time. I haven't even posted really in like a week anywhere hardly. I need to be replaced. If it comes down to a modkill, I will find a way to make time and get stuff done. But currently I have no free time. Literally none. Work, sports, and training for a cycling race is killing me. Sorry guys. Sorry Xiivi.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Ok so...

Meta Kirby was looking really townie to me until his soft contradiction of being against and then OK with Summoner's lynch REALLY bothers me.

Swords just keeps looking scummy to me because of his general playstyle of "oh I'm being accused? I'll just say 'no that **** didn't happen, or NO U, or prove it' or other whimsical defenses that just seem like scum who doesn't want to be bothered.

Been getting slightly scummy vibes from Chibo but I'm still trying to dissect his few posts to see if I actually have a good reason for that.

Kevin, wtf @ asking caught pokemon to claim? You realize that's like asking scum to claim? Reeks of stupid "too dumb to be a scum move" ploy. Also, now that summoner told you what you wanted to know, what was your theory? Did you learn anything exceptional from the location claim?

I very much sympathize with Hando about not liking how the Xonar incident has basically been swept under the rug and how defensive he gets whenever someone mentions it. Doesn't make him the top play today but certainly keep Xonar hovering on my scumdar.

As much as Swords looks bad the fact that he's such an easy wagon (as showcased by SRB) makes me uneasy. As ****ty as SRB's post was, the fact that he also think Chibo and Swords should have been the play makes me think I/we might be on to something.

@ SRB why do you think Chibo was a top play D1?

 

[Xiivi]

Route 2-6
Chaco: (0)
ChiboSempai: McFox (:item9:)
frozenflame751: (0)
Gheb_01: Handorin (:item9:)
Handorin: (0)
KevinM: (0)
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: Xonar, Gheb_01 (:item9: :item9:)
Ronike: (0)
Soaring-Raptor-Blast: SwordsRBroken (:item9:)
SummonerAU:ChiboSempai (:item9:)
SwordsRBroken: SummonerAU, Soaring-Raptor-Blast, Meta-Kirby, KevinM (:item9: :item9: :item9: :item9:)
Xonar: Ronike (:item9:)
Not Voting: Chaco, frozenflame751 (:item9: :item9:)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline for Day 2 has been set for April 3, 11:59AM EST!

Chaco has requested replacement. If a replacement is not found in 24 hours he will be modkilled regardless of whether he vouches to stay in the game and remain active or not. I'm not playing games with activity in a game this large, sorry Chaco. If he is town-aligned the modkill will end the day; if he is not town-aligned the day will continue. Junglefever replaces Chaco.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

There's alot to read. I'm on page four as of now. Back in a bit with thoughts

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Swords what you said has nothing to do with why I fosed raptor. It was the way he discredited all of what we've done D1 - as if we had not gotten any legitimate suspicions vs Meta, Swords and Chaco. As if everything we discussed so far is completely null and void now. I can def. see that as a nudge or maybe there's a scumbuddy (aka recruiter / recruitee) among the main suspect list of D1 he tries to sweep under the rug.

Regardless I don't see a town-alligned reason do make such an unconstructive opening post. It literally contributed nothing while ****ting on everything we've discussed so far. That reeks of OMGUS.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Now as for McFox, there's quite a lot of stuff I'm interested in. Not necessarily scummy but certainly stuff he should elaborate on:

It seems to me that if Swords is indeed responsible for this death, that may not necessarily make him scum.

Just saying. He certainly could be. In TMNT mafia (the first one), created and hosted by M3D, the Shredder was the leader of the mafia. If ANY role visited him at night, they instantly died.

HOWEVER, there are town-aligned roles that kill visitors as well. Just because Omis decided to attack Swords does not automatically make Swords scum.

This is not a defense of Swords, just something to chew on.

Well that would imply that it wasn't actually Swords at all, and that Omis was just coincidentally Mewtwo's kill last night (still assuming that Mewtwo is an SK). Being a powerful Pokemon, Mewtwo's action probably has priority over most of us.

So far whenever you mentioned Swords it was always in regards to his assumed interaction with Omis. We all know that the nature of this interaction does not imply that Swords is scum. I havve pointed it out already and you re-emphasized it twice.

The better question is what do you actually think of Swords in general? We can't base him being scum on that report but what about his posts? Especially his most recent ones? Why don't you elaborate on that where we actually get to see an opinionof yours?

First, to MK who wonders why only Summoner has gotten a bunch of information, it's entirely possible that other people have gotten info. too, and just have been smart about it and kept quiet. So far, I haven't seen much of an advantage for Summoner claiming that quickly. Omis attacking Swords and dying himself is in no way indicative of Swords' alignment, since there are a multitude of ways that last night's events could've happened. Now I'm interested in
Kev's theory, so I think Summoner should tell us where he was.

Next, agree that the Summoner/Swords/Xonar circle-jerk was going nowhere and making no forward momentum at all.

Honestly, at this point I'd rather start lynching inactives, because keeping this many coasters around is going to kill us late-game. We need people whose posting histories we can check for inconsistancies and stuff.

Vote: frozen

Maybe trapping would tie you to a certain location one night, so the trainer can go there the next night and catch you, that's what it sounds like to me.

If that's the case, then it might behoove everyone to go farther into an area, somewhere the trainers can't get to in 1 night.

Eg or I could be wrong. Just thinking out loud.

Unvote

Vote: Chibo then, haven't seen him either.

I should have rephrased.

Summoner: Do you have any good reasons not to tell us where you were? We promise not to go where you went, but if we can get more info. now, don't you think that'd be more beneficial than anything bad that could happen tonight, especially when you are TELLING US that going where you went could be bad for us? I really doubt a million people are going to go there if, quote, "it won't work again." Why would anyone go there? That would be like Xonar telling us where he got his one-shot Mewtwo finder. Who cares? It was a one-shot, there's no reason to go there and get caught either.

This is a main bulk of your posts toDay. Lots of namedropping, pointing fingers, pressure voting and theories but there's one thing I miss and that happens to be the main point of interest in any mafia game: Who do you think is scum? If we cut some of the fluffier parts of the posts and also leave out the common sense stuff and comments on the game mechanics then essentially your posts are mostly about:

- You think that Summoner's idea is stupid.
- Swords isn't necessarily scum just because Omis tried to vig him (assumed)
- You're hating on inactivity (we all do)
- The "Summoner / Xonar / Swords circle-jerk" is leading "nowhere"

Then how about you start to bring something to the table that actually leads somewhere? Because first of all you haven't done anything to help discussion move along up to this point and second you don't even elaborate on why you think that circle jerk leads nowhere.

A lot of these posts are long, comment on many things and also contain lots of votes. The kind of stuff you would expect from a town player. But when you cut down these posts to their very essence there's surprisingly little behind it that actually looks like genuine pushing for a lynch.

Anyone wanna join a Chill or start a frozen wagon until they show up?

Unvote

Vote: Kirbyo

Oh lol. Kirbyo's still alive in a different game I'm playing where he's inactive, and the OP isn't updated, which is the only place I could check without looking for the specific page for D1's end without searching each page for it.

Doesn't mean much but that's extremely silly to vote for a player who's not in the game twice. Even if it's the same mod (which isn't actually true since Tom/Xiivi are modding this) that looks really like a goofy thing to do.

Chibo, I was clearly voting you for lurking. As for the Kirbyo vote, I'm in two large games designed by M3D right now, Playing the game mostly from my phone, and Kirbyo was inactive in the other one. Got them mixed up.

1.) What were you voting him for then? Did you get any legitimate vibes from him? Where?
2.) Who's scum and ahy?
3.) You think scum's on the swords wagon?
4.) Anybody under the radar IYU who should get more (negative) attention.
5.) Any connections?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Scratch the first question in the last paragraph. I misread - I though you said "I was clearly not voting you for lurking".

 

[SwordsRbroken]

@ SRB why do you think Chibo was a top play D1?

He wanted to lynch mewtwo if possible first when the trainers were clearly the bigger threat. He said so a few times D1.

 

[Handorin]

Gheb-This game was made.......by m3d...also...

Deadline in 4 days....I guess I'll...............hop this bandwagon and vote....cause a Gheb wagon won't happen...............

Unvote
Vote: Swords

 

[~ Gheb ~]

He wanted to lynch mewtwo if possible first when the trainers were clearly the bigger threat. He said so a few times D1.

How are trainers "clearly the bigger threat"? While Mewtwo seems to be able to kill regardless of his location we do not know if the same is true for trainers! It might be the case that trainers can only catch Pokémon in the same location as themselves. If that's the case then the trainers are not a bigger threat to us.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

How are trainers "clearly the bigger threat"? While Mewtwo seems to be able to kill regardless of his location we do not know if the same is true for trainers! It might be the case that trainers can only catch Pokémon in the same location as themselves. If that's the case then the trainers are not a bigger threat to us.

Read the rules. It says if a trainer is killed, then all of his pokemon will die with him. Not good. Based on this, if mewtwo happens to kill a trainer, then we could end up with two or more deaths in one night (assuming the trainer has recruited successfully each night). Willing to claim if people want me to, now seeing that i'm at L-2.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

There's about 3 days left, I'd like to have a claim now, as it might cause confusion later. There is obviously still the fact that a claim doesn't matter as it creates recruiting WIFOM. I'm undecided on this one, what does town think about claiming?

Btw, we should lynch trainers AND mewtwo, stop discussing over which is the bigger threat, we kill all of them.

 

[McFox]

Just want to point out that with recruiting being a main mechanic of the game, i don't see how a claim will help. ANY claim is useless, since Swords could have been recruited. And in case he doesn't end up lynched, i'd rather trainers not know who he is and what he can do.

Gheb, I'll get to your post later, just want to at the very least ask for a good reason for anyone to claim at this point, if people are going to push for it.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Just because Mewtwo seems to be able to kill anyone anywhere doesn't make him more a threat than the trainers. Recruiters are fundamentally worse than killers, since they take former townies and turn them AGAINST the town. A play could be a phenomenal townie all game and get recruited, and ride his cred out. Recruiting WIFOM is like the worst thing of all time. Even though the choices of the trainers might be limited by potential proximity restrictions, it doesn't make them any less of a threat.

Gheb's case on McFox is legit. As I was re-reading I noticed some of that and I had a nagging feeling about him in the back of my mind.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

As I have said D1 already I consider claiming a bad idea.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

So like, I'm thru day one and part of d2. Chaco's ********. Swords, in every single game, has reeked scum, has only turned up scum once. Gheb's 742 pretty much wraps up my thoughts on Summoner. Considering his claim on where he went, if he's played the pokemon games he would know the connection and think it would have somethin to do with the one who died (which would be a perfect cover for scum). It's very possible that the locations and any items/actions there correspond to flavor from the games (HP mafia, iw ent to filches office and found out where everyone went n1, things of htat sort). If someones knowledgeable, its a safeplace for scum to start n1 imo.

 

[Handorin]

Read the rules. It says if a trainer is killed, then all of his pokemon will die with him. Not good. Based on this, if mewtwo happens to kill a trainer, then we could end up with two or more deaths in one night (assuming the trainer has recruited successfully each night). Willing to claim if people want me to, now seeing that i'm at L-2.

No, that IS good. Why? Because the pokemon are antitown (antiwild) and them dying means they are gone and they can't work against us.

 

[McFox]

No, that IS good. Why? Because the pokemon are antitown (antiwild) and them dying means they are gone and they can't work against us.

...duh. It would be like killing an indy killing a Mafia Godfather, and everyone else in the mafia dies too. There is no way Mewtwo killing a trainer isn't good for us.

The better question is what do you actually think of Swords in general? We can't base him being scum on that report but what about his posts? Especially his most recent ones? Why don't you elaborate on that where we actually get to see an opinionof yours?

I've been waiting until I actually had time to sit down at my computer and review toDay. I think Swords can go.

His original post against Summoner's admittedly weak case was a giant picture of a facepalm. Even though Omis targetting him doesn't make him scum, he has nothing to say about this at all? That he narrowly escaped death somehow? That he lucked out that (as we are currently assuming anyway) Mewtwo's kill superceded Omis'? Nope, just "FACEPALM."

Here, he pushes on Summoner for his case, by giving insight as to why Omis was chosen to be killed.

Not really a contradiction. It is entirely possible to not be entirely convinced that someone needs to be lynched, while still being okay with it happening. Hell, I feel that way about several people. Xonar, for instance, who I am not going to also go point-by-point with, but I would be fine with his lynch ATM.

Bad post. Throws Summoner's information under suspicion ("We don't even know how he got it") even though the information, if nothing else, seemed genuine to me. Also, as pointed out by s-r-b, Swords tries to push on him before he's even fully replaced into the topic.

Swords has been acting scummy, and I will probably vote him before the Day is out. I'll leave him at L-2 now.

Then how about you start to bring something to the table that actually leads somewhere? Because first of all you haven't done anything to help discussion move along up to this point and second you don't even elaborate on why you think that circle jerk leads nowhere.

I wouldn't say I've done nothing to push discussion. I will grant that I haven't been as helpful as is possible. The Xonar-Summoner-Swords things was

1) Xonar brings up Swords
2) Swords defends himself
3) Summoner defends Xonar
4) repeat

I read through it (it was shorter on readthrough than I remember it being originally), and I wasn't able to glean much that was useful from it. A little, but not much.

Doesn't mean much but that's extremely silly to vote for a player who's not in the game twice. Even if it's the same mod (which isn't actually true since Tom/Xiivi are modding this) that looks really like a goofy thing to do.

I didn't say it was the same mod, I said they were both designed by M3D. His style is very distinct, and being in two of his games at once is a little disorienting for me.

2.) Who's scum and ahy?
3.) You think scum's on the swords wagon?
4.) Anybody under the radar IYU who should get more (negative) attention.
5.) Any connections?

2) Swords, for reasons stated above. frozen, hardcore lurking (I cover him at the end of this post). Not liking Kev's lack of contribution so far. His D2 posts that I've seen are "Summoner where were you," and "Captured pokemon should claim." Anything else to say Kev, or will you just continue to ride your free pass to endgame since you're Kev? As mentioned above, don't like Xonar either.

3) Undoubtedly at this point. It's like 2 days to deadline and he's nearing majority. It's reasonable to assume at least one scum has already taken advantage of this. The best part is is that this does not preclude Swords from being scum either, since there are at least 3 different factions.

4) Like I said above, don't like that fact that Kev has done almost nothing so far (D2) and no one has even batted an eye (or if they have, they haven't posted about it). I'm guilty of this as well, but as I was rereading for this post it really stuck out like a sore thumb.

5) Well, very early in D1 Xonar is quick to point out buddying from Ryker, so as not to be accused of using it to his advantage (which he later is, and points back to that post). However, this apparently doesn't apply past RVS, where Xonar is more than happy to double-team Swords with Summoner's help (not an individual post, but start with 715 and go from there if you'd like to read).

Summoner, why did you choose to go to the tower?

Still don't know why captured Pokemon would, much less SHOULD claim.

I'm also liking the nudge when I am completely absent from frozen's first "legit post" of D2.

 

[KevinM]

I have a question.

Kev, if someone got captured, why would they claim? You kind of threw this up there and then nobody (including you) commented on it. I can't really imagine why someone who is now scum would claim that they got captured.

"Claims are useless because nobody will claim scum." -karthik_king

Figured that if pokemon whom are captured claimed they can work together with us to clear anti-town non mewtwo characters thus narrowing our lynch pool down.

Granted I don't think they'd do it every day but the liklihood of us catching mewtwo with caught pokemon revealing would be beneficial to both parties imo.

 

[KevinM]

Actually, now that I think about it, I should be right in telling you unless there are trainers already in this area. As long as I don't stay here for the night after I'll be safe. Sorry for all the "HURR DURR NO", I just forgot about something

So yeah, Pokemon Tower.

Thanks, unfortunately that didn't help my theory.

Ahh well, looks like they have something rather effective.

However didn't you say you could be trapped so why do you think all of a sudden you can just move?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

KevMo, do you mean like scum claiming in Fire & Ice mafia to cooperate with the town against the other scum team?

Nice post McFox, curious to see responses from people to that. I might add some stuff later today though after work.

 

[KevinM]

To an extent yes.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Mhm, McFox, I do understand your buddying accusation, but the thing is, on D1 'buddying' doesn't say anything when there's only Mewtwo(only 1), Trainer(on his own) and another one: Trainer(also on his own).
D2 I understand is different, but I don't really see much buddying from my side towards Summoner. The thing is, everyone who is voting Swords is a front, the difference in this situation being that coincidently (spelling?) me, swords and summ were online at the time.

McFox, Swords: who do you guys want lynched?

 

[SummonerAU]

KevinM, have a gander at past posts.

 

[McFox]

Mhm, McFox, I do understand your buddying accusation, but the thing is, on D1 'buddying' doesn't say anything when there's only Mewtwo(only 1), Trainer(on his own) and another one: Trainer(also on his own).
D2 I understand is different, but I don't really see much buddying from my side towards Summoner. The thing is, everyone who is voting Swords is a front, the difference in this situation being that coincidently (spelling?) me, swords and summ were online at the time.

You're right, you weren't buddying, however that isn't what I said either. I said you had no problem taking advantage of someone else buddying you to further your own ends.

McFox, Swords: who do you guys want lynched?

I answered this exact question in my last post.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

McFox, Swords: who do you guys want lynched

I'm thinking Meta-kirby ATM. Then maybe Summoner, then Raptor.