Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Because I wanted to see if we could get information out of him. You know, pressure and stuff, gaining information, lynching somebody.

 

[McFox]

Assuming that you realized that Swords probably wasn't responsible for Omis' death, what kind of information were you looking for exactly? Not to mention that your vote came in the middle of several other votes. Summoner's vote is obvious, because he thought it was Swords, and Ronike voted before Summoner posted his "case," just when Summoner hinted that he knew something. However, you voted while simultaneously saying that it probably wasn't Swords. Chibo, who voted not only after you did but also after you had explained that Swords being responsible for the death, voted without any explanation whatsoever.

Chibo, care to explain?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

If I knew what exactly I wanted to know from Swords I would've directly asked him a question, wouldn't I?

 

[M.K]

Meta-Kirby: Do you have any other suspects besides Summoner, Xonar, or Swords? (In other words, all of the most active players when you showed up again on D2?)

No, I do not. I'm still waiting for people to come back to this game (assuming frozen will post tonight like he said and SRB will jump back in after a re-read). Going back to investigate Omis is really difficult, because, like someone said before, he literally had NO connections with anybody. I'm still re-reading to determine who OMIS's suspicions were to decide whether or not the kill was some type of OMGUS to "hush" him or something like that.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Ugh, okay I understand what you mean. Didn't know it was some sort of scum tactic. Sounds stupid, but yeah.

Well it's not like you can generally just label things as "scum tactic" or "town tactic" and work from there. What scumbag in their right mind would blatantly make use of something as a "scum tactic" when it's generally known as such?

It's a question of interpretation and in your case I would interpret it as scummy. That's mainly because you parroted something two other player have already said, which I'd consider "pretending to be more helpful than you are". This is looking particularily weak when you'Re not even voting.

And at your second point, I really must have a skewed view on what people consider scummy. I was thinking that by putting a vote down on someone who already had 3 votes on them, it'd seem like I was simply joining to further the wagon and try to get the votes as fast as possible. At your first point, I definitely see now how it seemed suspicious. I'll keep that in mind for the future.

This is only one half of the story. Not voting can be interpreted in many different ways. You, however, aren't just not using your vote but you're also not making any textual input either - at least not new one!

Just some food for thought Gheb and Xonar: I don't really have Internet in my apartment. I leech it from someone with an unprotected network, but it goes down for hours or even days at a time. By all means, discuss me (no one is above scrutiny, after all), just keep in mind that most posts in this game are coming from my phone, making it difficult to quote or make any kind of substantial cases of my own. I'm doing the best I can to stay current and to keep my opinions out there.

I won't be able to do it right now anyways, mainly because I'm also digging into your D1 posts atm. It's just that there's stuff about your recent posts that I haven't seen on D1 (which could imply recruitment) but I'll go into detail once I got it all together.

Gheb_01: What are your current thoughts on Xonar? Anything different from D1 to D2?

Covered that already:

No, I do not.

You can't be serious. There has to be somebody who's more suspect to you than the others.

I'm really looking forward to that post Chibo promised especially since it's going to be pretty much the first think he's saying toDay. Same for Frozen. And Hando. And Raptor. And Chaco....

 

[M.K]

Gheb, are you asking me to choose between the three listed? That wasn't the question asked, he said BESIDES them. Which I don't. If it were BETWEEN them, it's probably Swords.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

See, that's already a start.

 

[KevinM]

@Mcfox, not sure if it would give any advantage but it would give us more information.

So I don't know why he's so eager to keep it under wraps.

 

[SummonerAU]

1) It won't work again 2) I don't want a million and one people checking it out and getting caught.

It'll also become clear if I die tonight if you take read my previous posts and have a little knowledge on the Kanto region. I'll tell Kevin/all of you if I don't die tonight.

 

[Chaco]

I'm here, post coming in a bit.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

SwordsRBroken: Summoner and Xonar were both recently lined up against you. Do you feel it was a T&Tvs.T argument, or do you think one of them may have been scum using the backing of the other to make their points against you look more legitimate? If so, which one do you think it was?

I think summoner is scum for using bad reasoning and information that we don't know how he got to push my lynch. Just reeks of scumminess. Xonar is probably dumb town at this point.

But thinking Meta-kirby and Soaring-Raptor-Blast are more likely to be scum. SRB has been lurking since he replaced and Meta-kirby for contradictions + lurking + rolephising D1.

 

[SummonerAU]

Cool, just lynch Swords once you see my flip kguys? He's being weird regardless of what I said before.

 

[McFox]

I should have rephrased.

Summoner: Do you have any good reasons not to tell us where you were? We promise not to go where you went, but if we can get more info. now, don't you think that'd be more beneficial than anything bad that could happen tonight, especially when you are TELLING US that going where you went could be bad for us? I really doubt a million people are going to go there if, quote, "it won't work again." Why would anyone go there? That would be like Xonar telling us where he got his one-shot Mewtwo finder. Who cares? It was a one-shot, there's no reason to go there and get caught either.

 

[SummonerAU]

I'm planning on staying here for the next night. I didn't want to say this at all.

 

[SummonerAU]

No, I'm not telling you why.

 

[SummonerAU]

Actually, now that I think about it, I should be right in telling you unless there are trainers already in this area. As long as I don't stay here for the night after I'll be safe. Sorry for all the "HURR DURR NO", I just forgot about something

So yeah, Pokemon Tower.

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

herro

sorry it's taking so long to catch up but you guys posted a lot of crap during day one. >.>

I'm about 3/4's of the way through and I'm trying to be thorough so bear with me please. I will fully here and caught up later tommorow.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I think summoner is scum for using bad reasoning and information that we don't know how he got to push my lynch. Just reeks of scumminess. Xonar is probably dumb town at this point.

But thinking Meta-kirby and Soaring-Raptor-Blast are more likely to be scum. SRB has been lurking since he replaced and Meta-kirby for contradictions + lurking + rolephising D1.

1.) SRB literally replaced like shortly before the weekend. I guess you can call it "lurking" but some people actually have ... you know ... a "life". Is that how you hunt scum?

2.) Where has Meta-Kirby been contradicting himself?

3.) He never rolefished IIRC.

Elaborate on all these three points. Looks like you're trying to take the easy way out here.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Actually, now that I think about it, I should be right in telling you unless there are trainers already in this area. As long as I don't stay here for the night after I'll be safe. Sorry for all the "HURR DURR NO", I just forgot about something

So yeah, Pokemon Tower.

Seriously guys HAVE YOU NEVER PLAYED THE POKEMON GAMES?

This is like... THE Pokemon resting place in Gen1. It's even literally stated that the souls of dying pokemon go there. Geez.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Btw we still don't know recruiting mechanics they might just 'trap' Summoner if it immobilizes him or they are just faster in speed. You better not have forgotten that Summoner and have something up your sleeve.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

If that's the case then I suggest we stop speed claiming from now on because that info can be very useful for trainers.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nobody even considered Speed Claiming for as far as I know.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I don't THINK Summoner is the play today. The information is so out-there...gah, it's really hard to decide whether it's something to "ponder" or some sort of tell. If it came down to the wire, however, I probably wouldn't object to a Summoner lynch due to major lurklurk on Day 1 and now this random bombshell toDay.
So basically, I'm down with a Summoner, Xonar, (gotta read a bit more, but also) Swords lynch.

He's saying he doesn't think summoner is the play today so he can change his opinion if need be. And he says that he's down with a summoner lynch in the same post when he says he doesn't think summoner is the play today.

As for rolephising, what about him trying to out hando as snorlax D1?

 

[SummonerAU]

Btw we still don't know recruiting mechanics they might just 'trap' Summoner if it immobilizes him or they are just faster in speed. You better not have forgotten that Summoner and have something up your sleeve.

Don't worry man, I got this.

I also have a special surprise for Mewtwo if he decides to give me the ol' amnesia > psychic **** tonight.

 

[M.K]

He's saying he doesn't think summoner is the play today so he can change his opinion if need be. And he says that he's down with a summoner lynch in the same post when he says he doesn't think summoner is the play today.

What's with you? I already explained the statement directly to YOU especially when you voiced this SAME thing just like....two or three pages ago >_> Jesus.

 

[CT Chia]

Readin' through stuff I missed

Sorry bout that

Sorry ya'll, my internets been cuttin' in and out throughout the past week. I can only browse from school, the log-in page is blocked by the filter.

First of all, it really, really bothers me that Summoner, and ONLY Summoner, has gotten all this information from exploration. I mean, with all the players having the opportunity to explore, ONLY Summoner has gotten this type of information from any of their explorations? It seems really....sketchy, to say the least. Although it irks me greatly, I don't THINK Summoner is the play today. The information is so out-there...gah, it's really hard to decide whether it's something to "ponder" or some sort of tell. If it came down to the wire, however, I probably wouldn't object to a Summoner lynch due to major lurklurk on Day 1 and now this random bombshell toDay.
Xonar, location claiming was such a horrible idea. That puts a big target on your back; I feel like that first comment ("tell me the negatives") was insinuating that you implied there were no negatives and you were simply testing the naivety of the other members.
And this little Summoner, Swords, and Xonar tea party is quite annoying to listen to/watch. Buddying is quite annoying, especially this vague buddying between Summoner and Xonar that goes on. I'm trying to discern it. Agreeing with Xonar that the "ohhh" get up was rather fake looking, especially seeing as how it was such an easy way to gain his unvote. Weird.
I'd like to hear more from the player who replaced Ryker as he gets caught up in the game.
So basically, I'm down with a Summoner, Xonar, (gotta read a bit more, but also) Swords lynch.

I pretty much agree with this whole post

Summoner answer the question I have a theory is all.

Confused at what Kevin is getting at but he always does this stuff in every game -_-
Not sure if the question should be answered or not. Then again it doesn't leave us at risk of getting caught since we change location every night if that's how it works.

Btw nvm about swords, anyone up for MK?

Unvote, vote: MK VLA will start about now

Jumping on what seems to be the easy wagon atm

FoS Xonar

Blabla MK case on me without actually voting, scummy to me.

Explain why this is scummy.

Maybe it's just me but Summoner has been trying to draw lots of attention to his night exploring results as if it was a charm that makes the mere thought of him being scum look absurd. This is perfectly the angle scum would go for - maybe I'm looking into it too hard but I have a feeling that he didn't just mention his results for information but to also make it the center of discussion. I didn't get that feeling from your posts.



As did me and Handorin before you. Was it really necessary to repeat it for the 3rd time when you had very little tosay apart from it inthe first place?

Also, who is the play then?

I feel the same way Gheb, it's not just you.

-

This seems a tad aggressive here...

Because it makes you look like you put nothing behing what you say - all talk, no action. Common scum tactic to keep options open without commiting yourself too much.



How so?



I don't know what you mean by "having the current subjects finished". A case isn't completely closed until we actually lynch somebody and sometimes even until the game is over - before that the last word is not spoken. Discussion comes and goes, there's no need to force these things into a certain shape somehow.

I'd appreciate if you stopped posting in red within the quotes because it makes it hard for me to quote it myself. To respond to your points:

1.) Yes, I know. That was not what I meant though. When I said "Not the same thing" I was talking about the difference between you and Summoner.

2.) I'm not sure if Swords was just a deadweight in Omis' eyes or if he genuinely found him suspicious while rereading - I assume he reread before deciding on whom to shot. Either is possible but I think neither further incriminate Swords.

Not really liking this post.

Also, you should see from D1 that conversation about stuff normally drops. Look at Xonar.

Some people then later forget about it and never follow through on a lynch when I on the other hand don't like to leave things open.

Just some food for thought Gheb and Xonar: I don't really have Internet in my apartment. I leech it from someone with an unprotected network, but it goes down for hours or even days at a time. By all means, discuss me (no one is above scrutiny, after all), just keep in mind that most posts in this game are coming from my phone, making it difficult to quote or make any kind of substantial cases of my own. I'm doing the best I can to stay current and to keep my opinions out there.

I look forward to frozen's post.

Unvote

Vote: Kirbyo

lol ok wow

Glad summoner still hasn't answered my question.

Whether he answers the question or not other input would be welcome.

Oh lol. Kirbyo's still alive in a different game I'm playing where he's inactive, and the OP isn't updated, which is the only place I could check without looking for the specific page for D1's end without searching each page for it.

Unvote

Vote: Chibo then, haven't seen him either.

lol

Then again though this just makes your last post not look good. This is what it is:

-A bunch of stuff about what's going on
-Voting someone else who is inactive and not saying anything about it

I'd say one of the top things that irks me most in mafia is when people place a vote without saying anything about it or have no reason they can say later. Even if you just had said haven't seen Kirbyo post in a while (lol cause hes dead), would rather him not coast - that would be better.

If I knew what exactly I wanted to know from Swords I would've directly asked him a question, wouldn't I?

You really can't say you have no idea at all, that's just ridiculous.

Assuming that you realized that Swords probably wasn't responsible for Omis' death, what kind of information were you looking for exactly? Not to mention that your vote came in the middle of several other votes. Summoner's vote is obvious, because he thought it was Swords, and Ronike voted before Summoner posted his "case," just when Summoner hinted that he knew something. However, you voted while simultaneously saying that it probably wasn't Swords. Chibo, who voted not only after you did but also after you had explained that Swords being responsible for the death, voted without any explanation whatsoever.

Chibo, care to explain?

My vote was simply to pressure him. I had already mentioned that his defense was overly aggressive imo and after Xonar had voted him I saw the opportunity to lay on extra pressure. I'd figure that with a case Swords didn't like on him reacting like that then getting an extra 2 votes asap would put him on edge.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Confused at what Kevin is getting at but he always does this stuff in every game -_-
Not sure if the question should be answered or not. Then again it doesn't leave us at risk of getting caught since we change location every night if that's how it works.

Take a stance will ya

Jumping on what seems to be the easy wagon atm

FoS Xonar

Oh so wrong. In fact, the moment I posted I didn't even know that Swords had a vote on MK. Reading back right now, I see that Swords posted MK for lurking and pressuring him. I don't agree with this statement AT ALL.

Explain why this is scummy.

Not using vote even after making a case is pussyfooting imo. Would agree to it if he voted Summoner but he didn't do that either. Me and Gheb explained this later though, mr Skimbo.

Also, you should see from D1 that conversation about stuff normally drops. Look at Xonar.

Wowowowowow. Scumpoints for you right here. The subject 'Xonar's flip' was dropped because it got watered down to nothing. Everything had been said etc.

You really can't say you have no idea at all, that's just ridiculous.

Let's play Twister! WITH WORDS!



Getting mad frustrated with people going like 'Oh yeah I agree on Xonar being scummy because I interpet *in this case 'oooohhhh'* as fake.' Which is the same **** I got over that 'slip' day 1.

 

[McFox]

Chibo, I was clearly voting you for lurking. As for the Kirbyo vote, I'm in two large games designed by M3D right now, Playing the game mostly from my phone, and Kirbyo was inactive in the other one. Got them mixed up.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Nobody even considered Speed Claiming for as far as I know.

I think Chaco speed claimed D1. Now that I think of it you're right though. Any Pokémon's speed stat can be looked up after a claim so it doesn't matter.

Let's just avoid too many claims in general.

As for rolephising, what about him trying to out hando as snorlax D1?

I'm sorry, I didn't know there was a role named "Snorlax". Answers to the other two points would be nice too...

Frozen, what about that "legit" post you were promising for "Sunday night". Is this actually going to happen?

 

[Handorin]

Handorin: You clearly feel that Xonar is scum, why are you not voting him?

I feel my vote on Gheb.....is a good one for now...a xonar lynch, for some reason......still looks way out of.....the picture, and I.....don't have much...evidence.....to bring up against him.....it's that one....HUGE....mistake, and then mostly gut....

I'm really looking forward to that post Chibo promised especially since it's going to be pretty much the first think he's saying toDay. Same for Frozen. And Hando. And Raptor. And Chaco....

Are you talking....about me posting...in general....or something like this....?

1) Xonar.....old news....still don't like how we let him walk away from a crime with a gun....but that's it...

2) Summoner........that band wagon he started....based off what he saw...kinda grasping at straws....doesn't prove he's town...because anyone can use the stuff found....at night............................

3) McFox......because right now if I had to throw in....a scum who has been playing well...and haven't gave many tells...it would be him...no other reason really...just a "wild" (lol pun).....guess....

Cause....I was v/la.....

I'm sorry, I didn't know there was a role named "Snorlax". Answers to the other two points would be nice too...

Duh....no one knows what the roles are......but they are obviously Pokemon......if he comes out and SAYS...."I think he's Snorlax"....that's pretty loltastic rolephishing......and you ignoring that...wow....just wow..........

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Duh....no one knows what the roles are......but they are obviously Pokemon......if he comes out and SAYS...."I think he's Snorlax"....that's pretty loltastic rolephishing......and you ignoring that...wow....just wow..........

1.) Are you kidding me? As you said yourself no one knows what the roles are. Even if he comes out and says "I think player X is Pokémon Y" he's been fishing for a Pokémon, not a specific role. Maybe it's just me but I have no idea what kind of role Snorlax could be and that applies to many Pokémon. In the same hand Mankey is not the first Pokémon I would have thought of when it comes to the Vigilante. What I do know, however is that Snorlax is a strong, Pokémon that doesn't envolve. That's right - it doesn't have to envolve even once to get into it's strongest evolution. That alone looks like a good reason to fish for such a Pokémon regardless of its role.

2.) Thanks for giving Swords a nice cop-out. I obviously had the intention of calling out swords on this, not you which is also why I responded to his point. My assumption was that swords has been skimming the whole case against Meta-Kirby because so far nobody has accused Meta of rolefishing.

3.) Additionally Swords never seemed to have a bigger issue with anything I have accused Meta-Kirby of so far. And now all of a sudden "his lurking" (which other people are doing way harder), his "rolefishing" (which at the very least is an exaggeration) and his "contradictions" (something Swords still needs to elaborate on) are enough to make him a "better lynch than summoner". I see lots of opportunism here.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I don't THINK Summoner is the play today. The information is so out-there...gah, it's really hard to decide whether it's something to "ponder" or some sort of tell. If it came down to the wire, however, I probably wouldn't object to a Summoner lynch due to major lurklurk on Day 1 and now this random bombshell toDay.
So basically, I'm down with a Summoner, Xonar, (gotta read a bit more, but also) Swords lynch.

@gheb - He says that he doesn't think summoner is the play today and then he says he's down for a summoner lynch First.

 

[KevinM]

If any pokemon was caught you should claim.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Good point, swords - that's the kind of elaboration I wanted to hear. I wasn't sure if you were serious about being suspicious of Meta or if you just followed the flow. Hard to tell from the recent brefity of your posts but that point has merit.

 

[M.K]

@gheb - He says that he doesn't think summoner is the play today and then he says he's down for a summoner lynch First.

So, what you're saying is, based on the order in which I decide to order the lynch candidates, being as that they are all equal candidates, determines whether or not it was a contradiction? Sorry, that is a pretty BS point. I like to order my things based on WHEN in the post I described them. I obviously talked about Summoner first, then Xonar and Swords, hence the order. God, nobody can be this dense. I've explained it three times now.

 

[Xiivi]

Route 2-5
Chaco: (0)
ChiboSempai: McFox (:item9:)
frozenflame751: (0)
Gheb_01: Handorin (:item9:)
Handorin: (0)
KevinM: (0)
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: SwordsRBroken, Xonar, Gheb_01 (:item9: :item9::item9:)
Ronike: (0)
Soaring-Raptor-Blast: (0)
SummonerAU: KevinM, ChiboSempai (:item9: :item9:)
SwordsRBroken: SummonerAU (:item9:)
Xonar: Ronike (:item9:)
Not Voting: Chaco, frozenflame751, Meta-Kirby, Soaring-Raptor-Blast (:item9: :item9: :item9: :item9:)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline for Day 2 has been set for April 3, 11:59AM EST!

Prodding people.

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

all read through

hot diggity

vote swords that guy needs to be dead real good

Soaring-Raptor-Blast: Haven't heard from him yet at all. I assume you'll do a readthrough of the game. What do you think about what happened D1? Do you think Xonar was the right lynch? Obviously Kirbyo was wrong, who would you have gone with D1?

D1 was crap. it was a bunch of "hey maybe people can do this", "no stoopid, havent you played the game!" "blah blah blah, hold up it's deadline! ...kirbyoshi? let's do dis'!!!"

reading through day 1 has been the bane of my existance

I would been okay with lynching a bunch of people but I didn't like the kirby wagon (which is easy to say now) xonar was A choice I would have been okay with, I guess

I would have definitely went swords. or chibo.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

FoS Raptor

 

[soaring-raptor-blast]

aiight

 

[SwordsRbroken]

FoS Raptor

Yeah, i agree. C'mon raptor, your first post in the game doesn't contribute squat, you just vote on what looks like the easiest wagon to be lynched. Explain your vote on me.

unvote Vote: Raptor