Pogeymafia: Red and Green - OVER! Who lived happily ever after in Kanto?

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Could we lynch Swords?

Vote: Swords

 

[SummonerAU]

Yes, I am budding Xonar, you totally caught me Swords. There's no way that I was actually helping you to avoid 5 or 6 posts about a mistake.

 

[KevinM]

Summoner where were you last night, serious question.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Summoner don't answer.

 

[SummonerAU]

I don't want to answer that at all right now. 1) It won't work again 2) I don't want a million and one people checking it out and getting caught.

Give me some reasons and then I'll tell you. If you're just trying to check me out by visiting the place yourself, it won't work and you'll just get caught. Right now, I would prefer to be lynched.

I'll be away for the rest of the day after about an hour (so right now it's 10am Sat here, I won't be back until probably afternoon Sunday) so if you want me to tell you Kevin, your best bet on getting it now is giving reasons now.

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Could we lynch Swords?

Vote: Swords

You accuse me of not contributing then you just say can we lynch swords and vote me?

 

[Ronike]

Xonar I could parrot Handorin, but I thought I'd keep it breif so I could pay attention to my girlfriend, sorry mate. Plus you can call me uselss all you like, but I've been vla for valid reasons. Now then, when I can I'm rereading for summoner x xonar buddying, cause whoevers "ohhhh" moment felt rather fabricated and would make sense to defuse later buddying accusations. Plus dude, I forgave you after a while due to English being your second language, but I still get icky feelings from you, and in the past, I've always regretted not following my gut.

 

[M.K]

Sorry ya'll, my internets been cuttin' in and out throughout the past week. I can only browse from school, the log-in page is blocked by the filter.

First of all, it really, really bothers me that Summoner, and ONLY Summoner, has gotten all this information from exploration. I mean, with all the players having the opportunity to explore, ONLY Summoner has gotten this type of information from any of their explorations? It seems really....sketchy, to say the least. Although it irks me greatly, I don't THINK Summoner is the play today. The information is so out-there...gah, it's really hard to decide whether it's something to "ponder" or some sort of tell. If it came down to the wire, however, I probably wouldn't object to a Summoner lynch due to major lurklurk on Day 1 and now this random bombshell toDay.
Xonar, location claiming was such a horrible idea. That puts a big target on your back; I feel like that first comment ("tell me the negatives") was insinuating that you implied there were no negatives and you were simply testing the naivety of the other members.
And this little Summoner, Swords, and Xonar tea party is quite annoying to listen to/watch. Buddying is quite annoying, especially this vague buddying between Summoner and Xonar that goes on. I'm trying to discern it. Agreeing with Xonar that the "ohhh" get up was rather fake looking, especially seeing as how it was such an easy way to gain his unvote. Weird.
I'd like to hear more from the player who replaced Ryker as he gets caught up in the game.
So basically, I'm down with a Summoner, Xonar, (gotta read a bit more, but also) Swords lynch.

 

[M.K]

Agreeing with Ronike*

 

[SwordsRbroken]

I don't THINK Summoner is the play today.

So basically, I'm down with a Summoner, Xonar, (gotta read a bit more, but also) Swords lynch.

Explain this. You contradicted yourself IN THE SAME POST!

 

[M.K]

If it came down to the wire, however, I probably wouldn't object to a Summoner lynch due to major lurklurk on Day 1 and now this random bombshell toDay.
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Please read the whole thing before trying to retaliate. >_>

 

[KevinM]

Summoner answer the question I have a theory is all.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Sorry ya'll, my internets been cuttin' in and out throughout the past week. I can only browse from school, the log-in page is blocked by the filter.

First of all, it really, really bothers me that Summoner, and ONLY Summoner, has gotten all this information from exploration. I mean, with all the players having the opportunity to explore, ONLY Summoner has gotten this type of information from any of their explorations? It seems really....sketchy, to say the least. Although it irks me greatly, I don't THINK Summoner is the play today. The information is so out-there...gah, it's really hard to decide whether it's something to "ponder" or some sort of tell. If it came down to the wire, however, I probably wouldn't object to a Summoner lynch due to major lurklurk on Day 1 and now this random bombshell toDay.
Xonar, location claiming was such a horrible idea. That puts a big target on your back; I feel like that first comment ("tell me the negatives") was insinuating that you implied there were no negatives and you were simply testing the naivety of the other members.
And this little Summoner, Swords, and Xonar tea party is quite annoying to listen to/watch. Buddying is quite annoying, especially this vague buddying between Summoner and Xonar that goes on. I'm trying to discern it. Agreeing with Xonar that the "ohhh" get up was rather fake looking, especially seeing as how it was such an easy way to gain his unvote. Weird.
I'd like to hear more from the player who replaced Ryker as he gets caught up in the game.
So basically, I'm down with a Summoner, Xonar, (gotta read a bit more, but also) Swords lynch.

I got some similair sort of information, Mewtwo's location. (mad skimming if you missed it)
Just read back and I explain the loc claim. I honestly didn't want to flat out suggest it without knowing all the drawbacks.
Besides, the claim lines up with the 'flavor' so I believed it. My main case was that the claim was... convenient, but it makes sense.

Ronike, I didn't call you useless, you're probably one of the most useful members right now.

You guys can think the 'ooohhh' moment is fake n stuff, but realizing the location makes the puzzle pieces fall into the right place.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Btw nvm about swords, anyone up for MK?

Unvote, vote: MK VLA will start about now

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Getting more of a town vibe from Xonar atm. His playstyle and his actions match with what he's saying and he's been playing really consistent ever since he was accused of "slipping".

Meta-Kirby's latest posts made me second guess my vote on Scummoner. I originally voted Sum because he looked like he's trying to make himself look more pro-town than he actually is by sharing his "knowledge" right in the open. Hando also said he's suspect for pretty much the same thing and now Meta-Kirby joins that wagon too. That's already the 3rd player to openly call Summoner suspect for the same thing and I'm starting to think we're looking into some kind of null-tell here.

Can't help but get scum vibes from Meta-Kirby (reinforced by his recent soft-wagoning...)
Unvote Vote Meta-Kirby

Feels like McFox, KevMo, Chibo and the 3 inactives (Ryker, Chaco, Frozen) haven't said anything noteworthy toDay yet. Especially uncomfortable about McFox being off everybody's radar. Gonna dig into his posts next.

 

[Xiivi]

Route 2-4
Chaco: (0)
ChiboSempai: (0)
frozenflame751: (0)
Gheb_01: Handorin (:item9:)
Handorin: (0)
KevinM: (0)
McFox: (0)
Meta-Kirby: SwordsRBroken, Xonar, Gheb_01 (:item9: :item9::item9:)
Ronike: (0)
Soaring-Raptor-Blast: (0)
SummonerAU: KevinM, ChiboSempai (:item9: :item9:)
SwordsRBroken: SummonerAU (:item9:)
Xonar: Ronike (:item9:)
Not Voting: Chaco, frozenflame751, McFox, Meta-Kirby, Soaring-Raptor-Blast (:item9: :item9: :item9: :item9: :item9:)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline for Day 2 has been set for April 3, 11:59AM EST!

Prodding people.

 

[McFox]

Oh for the love of ****ing Christ. This is the second time that my Internet goes down literally as I'm writing a post for this topic. I get to the topic, read through, start writing, and before I finish, Internet goes down. So from my iPhone, here's the short version of my planned post:

First, to MK who wonders why only Summoner has gotten a bunch of information, it's entirely possible that other people have gotten info. too, and just have been smart about it and kept quiet. So far, I haven't seen much of an advantage for Summoner claiming that quickly. Omis attacking Swords and dying himself is in no way indicative of Swords' alignment, since there are a multitude of ways that last night's events could've happened. Now I'm interested in Kev's theory, so I think Summoner should tell us where he was.

Next, agree that the Summoner/Swords/Xonar circle-jerk was going nowhere and making no forward momentum at all.

Honestly, at this point I'd rather start lynching inactives, because keeping this many coasters around is going to kill us late-game. We need people whose posting histories we can check for inconsistancies and stuff.

Vote: frozen

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Are you guys just stupid or skimming? I had info too. /random phone post

 

[M.K]

Meta-Kirby's latest posts made me second guess my vote on Scummoner. I originally voted Sum because he looked like he's trying to make himself look more pro-town than he actually is by sharing his "knowledge" right in the open. Hando also said he's suspect for pretty much the same thing and now Meta-Kirby joins that wagon too. That's already the 3rd player to openly call Summoner suspect for the same thing and I'm starting to think we're looking into some kind of null-tell here.

Can't help but get scum vibes from Meta-Kirby (reinforced by his recent soft-wagoning...)
Unvote Vote Meta-Kirby

I didn't even vote for Summoner; Trust me, I know that this information overload isn't exactly "the thing" to make Summoner the lynch candidate, it was just something I pointed out.

@Xonar, this is my problem with you (and others who do it in Mafia). I really abhor people who are just like "Oh, lets lynch XXXXXXXX, kay?" and provide no reasoning. It's especially annoying and, to me, it looks like scum trying to hastily push the blame on others as to avoid more speculation on his own role. I also see this with Swords by trying to point out my contradiction that didn't even exist.

Frozen, Chaco, Chibo, and SRB really need to start speaking. It's like...2-3 days into toDay.

 

[McFox]

Are you guys just stupid or skimming? I had info too. /random phone post

I realize that, but three people haven't voted you for it.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Xonar I could parrot Handorin, but I thought I'd keep it breif so I could pay attention to my girlfriend, sorry mate.

Parrot Hando? He was referring back to my slip STILL. You were talking about me getting on your nerves etc.

I realize that, but three people haven't voted you for it.

Cuz my information didn't make me want to lynch someone.

Also liking how people are falling back onto me (Ronike, MK), it's such a safe position to take. Ronike however I forgive, as he is actually looking legit town to me.


Gheb, what do you think about MK's 'stance' on summoner?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Are you guys just stupid or skimming? I had info too. /random phone post

Not the same thing.

Maybe it's just me but Summoner has been trying to draw lots of attention to his night exploring results as if it was a charm that makes the mere thought of him being scum look absurd. This is perfectly the angle scum would go for - maybe I'm looking into it too hard but I have a feeling that he didn't just mention his results for information but to also make it the center of discussion. I didn't get that feeling from your posts.

I didn't even vote for Summoner; Trust me, I know that this information overload isn't exactly "the thing" to make Summoner the lynch candidate, it was just something I pointed out.

As did me and Handorin before you. Was it really necessary to repeat it for the 3rd time when you had very little tosay apart from it inthe first place?

Also, who is the play then?

Gheb, what do you think about MK's 'stance' on summoner?

Makes me agree with what I used to think about him most of D1. He's extremely reactive when it comes to pointing out things. Like he would mention exactly the same case against Summoner that other players already did. At the same time he's not using his vote and doesn't openly voice suspicions. Can't trust that guy - huge reason why I'm starting to become unsure about Summoner being a play toDay.

Also, not liking McFox' recent posts (basically all of D2) will go into detail soon.

 

[M.K]

@Gheb, I'm sorry for pointing it out for the third time. I hadn't realized it had been said so many times before. I understand what you mean now, though. I don't understand one thing though: how does not using my vote put suspicion on me? I mean, if I were to use my vote, I'm sure I would be called out for doing so. I clearly stated that I'm still trying to figure today out and that I won't use my vote until then.
I don't think it is very appropriate to name a person of suspicion other than the three I've mentioned until other players start participating more. It really isn't fair for basically a third of the entire game to watch from the sidelines (if they are even watching, that is).

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Not the same thing. Note: I said 'or'

Maybe it's just me but Summoner has been trying to draw lots of attention to his night exploring results as if it was a charm that makes the mere thought of him being scum look absurd. This is perfectly the angle scum would go for - maybe I'm looking into it too hard but I have a feeling that he didn't just mention his results for information but to also make it the center of discussion. I didn't get that feeling from your posts. I agree, he has drawn a lot of attention to it, and made it a center of discussion because apparently Swords is scummy for Omis wanting to target him.
You agree that Omis just wanted to vig dead weight?



Makes me agree with what I used to think about him most of D1. He's extremely reactive when it comes to pointing out things. Like he would mention exactly the same case against Summoner that other players already did. At the same time he's not using his vote and doesn't openly voice suspicions. Can't trust that guy - huge reason why I'm starting to become unsure about Summoner being a play toDay.

Also, not liking McFox' recent posts (basically all of D2) will go into detail soon.

I agree on McFox. Don't like him a lot, would still like him to be discussed later because I'd like to have the current subjects finished.

 

[M.K]

Xonar, that wasn't a case on you...o.o It says "Summoner", or are you referring to the second part?
Still, I ask, why does not using my vote make me scummy??

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Yeah, referring to the second part, was just quoting the start.

Words can be twisted, votes can't.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

@Gheb, I'm sorry for pointing it out for the third time. I hadn't realized it had been said so many times before. I understand what you mean now, though. I don't understand one thing though: how does not using my vote put suspicion on me?

Because it makes you look like you put nothing behing what you say - all talk, no action. Common scum tactic to keep options open without commiting yourself too much.

I mean, if I were to use my vote, I'm sure I would be called out for doing so.

How so?

I agree on McFox. Don't like him a lot, would still like him to be discussed later because I'd like to have the current subjects finished.

I don't know what you mean by "having the current subjects finished". A case isn't completely closed until we actually lynch somebody and sometimes even until the game is over - before that the last word is not spoken. Discussion comes and goes, there's no need to force these things into a certain shape somehow.

I'd appreciate if you stopped posting in red within the quotes because it makes it hard for me to quote it myself. To respond to your points:

1.) Yes, I know. That was not what I meant though. When I said "Not the same thing" I was talking about the difference between you and Summoner.

2.) I'm not sure if Swords was just a deadweight in Omis' eyes or if he genuinely found him suspicious while rereading - I assume he reread before deciding on whom to shot. Either is possible but I think neither further incriminate Swords.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Well it's often so that when something is discussed and something else comes along, the case is left unfinished because of the new case. But nvm it, just go ahead, it sounds stupid looking back at it.

Soaring-Raptor-Blast, what you doin' right now?

 

[CT Chia]

on my phone on my way home from a tourney. will post big tonight likely

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Posting to avoid multiprod and inform people of V/LA which I should have done 1 1/2 days ago.

I have catching up to do. Should have something legit up by Sunday night.

 

[M.K]

Because it makes you look like you put nothing behing what you say - all talk, no action. Common scum tactic to keep options open without commiting yourself too much.



How so?

Ugh, okay I understand what you mean. Didn't know it was some sort of scum tactic. Sounds stupid, but yeah.
And at your second point, I really must have a skewed view on what people consider scummy. I was thinking that by putting a vote down on someone who already had 3 votes on them, it'd seem like I was simply joining to further the wagon and try to get the votes as fast as possible. At your first point, I definitely see now how it seemed suspicious. I'll keep that in mind for the future.

 

[McFox]

Just some food for thought Gheb and Xonar: I don't really have Internet in my apartment. I leech it from someone with an unprotected network, but it goes down for hours or even days at a time. By all means, discuss me (no one is above scrutiny, after all), just keep in mind that most posts in this game are coming from my phone, making it difficult to quote or make any kind of substantial cases of my own. I'm doing the best I can to stay current and to keep my opinions out there.

I look forward to frozen's post.

Unvote

Vote: Kirbyo

 

[KevinM]

Glad summoner still hasn't answered my question.

 

[SummonerAU]

It's okay Kevin, I'm sure you'll live with people not answering questions.

You'll work it out eventually

 

[SwordsRbroken]

Just some food for thought Gheb and Xonar: I don't really have Internet in my apartment. I leech it from someone with an unprotected network, but it goes down for hours or even days at a time. By all means, discuss me (no one is above scrutiny, after all), just keep in mind that most posts in this game are coming from my phone, making it difficult to quote or make any kind of substantial cases of my own. I'm doing the best I can to stay current and to keep my opinions out there.

I look forward to frozen's post.

Unvote

Vote: Kirbyo

You do realize that we lynched Kirbyoshi yesterday McScum?

 

[McFox]

Oh lol. Kirbyo's still alive in a different game I'm playing where he's inactive, and the OP isn't updated, which is the only place I could check without looking for the specific page for D1's end without searching each page for it.

Unvote

Vote: Chibo then, haven't seen him either.

 

[McFox]

Hey, my internet's up.

Chaco: Recently useless.

ChiboSempai: Recently useless.

frozenflame751: Recently useless.

Gheb_01: What are your current thoughts on Xonar? Anything different from D1 to D2?

Handorin: You clearly feel that Xonar is scum, why are you not voting him?

KevinM: What advantage would this theory of yours give to town if it were correct?

Meta-Kirby: Do you have any other suspects besides Summoner, Xonar, or Swords? (In other words, all of the most active players when you showed up again on D2?)

Ronike: If you had to decide toDay's lynch right now, would you go with Xonar, or someone else?

Soaring-Raptor-Blast: Haven't heard from him yet at all. I assume you'll do a readthrough of the game. What do you think about what happened D1? Do you think Xonar was the right lynch? Obviously Kirbyo was wrong, who would you have gone with D1?

SummonerAU: What specifically is your reason for not answering Kev's question. Just humor me.

SwordsRBroken: Summoner and Xonar were both recently lined up against you. Do you feel it was a T&Tvs.T argument, or do you think one of them may have been scum using the backing of the other to make their points against you look more legitimate? If so, which one do you think it was?

Xonar: According to this post, you think Swords is responsible for Omis' death. By that token, either you think Swords is Mewtwo, or that Mewtwo does not have a night kill. Which is it?

 

[Ronike]

Right now, yes I would go with Xonar, though if someone answers summoner's question, I'd want them to be the play. Also, inactives are starting to get on my nerves as well.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Xonar: According to this post, you think Swords is responsible for Omis' death. By that token, either you think Swords is Mewtwo, or that Mewtwo does not have a night kill. Which is it?

1. That assumption is wrong.
2. I corrected it later.

 

[McFox]

That's sort of true that you "corrected" what you thought about Swords, and yet you voted for him here and expounded upon it here, while IN both of those posts talking about how Swords was probably not responsible for Omis' death. So why did you vote for Swords while simultaneously saying that he probably wasn't responsible for the death last night?