Fuss
Smash Apprentice
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Smash Bash
let me know if you figure out something...
i have the same problem with my gf
i have the same problem with my gf
Life
Smash Hero
Get her watching some Sheik vs. Marth vids. It'll probably show her some options that she hasn't seen before.
Try spamming one tactic at a time and get her to find her way around them. (Although you might have to explain stuff at first, over time I think she'll learn how to figure things out on her own.) When she figures out how to beat a tactic, show her a mixup in the tactic you're spamming and get her to beat that. Basically, you're building Melee strategy from the ground up.
Try spamming one tactic at a time and get her to find her way around them. (Although you might have to explain stuff at first, over time I think she'll learn how to figure things out on her own.) When she figures out how to beat a tactic, show her a mixup in the tactic you're spamming and get her to beat that. Basically, you're building Melee strategy from the ground up.
darkatma
Smash Hero
No she doesn't, she only wants to learn because she's your gf.
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
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Fuss
Smash Apprentice
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Life
Smash Hero
If it takes forever for her to learn something, don't be afraid to lead her to the answer yourself.
By the way, this is all with a pretty big grain of salt, as I'm terrible at this game (the username is sarcastic, but I'm serious here) and have hardly any access to other competitive Smash players. Just as someone is always better than you, someone is always worse than you too.
GhllieShdeKnife
Smash Ace
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be patient
and dont regurgitate info while playing
if she does love melee the mindset will fade
and dont regurgitate info while playing
if she does love melee the mindset will fade
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
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Anthon1996
Smash Ace
Teach her to read and bait more and do more combos and be faster.
Then again, she plays Sheik, so also be sure to talk to her about the down throw.
Then again, she plays Sheik, so also be sure to talk to her about the down throw.
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
Cringe post pla remove
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lol where did this come from?
guy was making a joke.
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
Aw man I gotta carry
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crush
Smash Master
Have you given her "the d-throw talk" yet?
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
Ffs delete this
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Master WGS
Smash Lord
Marry this girl. That's all the advice I've got for you.
MasterShake
Smash Lord
She just needs to learn the competitive mindset. Winning or losing is only important if there's money on the line, and even then it's only if you have a shot at winning some. In order to get to that level, you're going to have to lose, so you can build on and improve your game. There's no instant gratification with smash, especially melee, so it takes time to see how much better you've become. Everyone started at the level your gf is at. Losing is trivial in regards to the bigger picture.
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
Not sure why you cant delete threads
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Pi
Smash Hero
things you need in order to improve as a player (not an absolute, but i think these are pretty key at least)
1) A desire to be the best (in a small way at least, you find the idea appealing), or at least to improve
2) To realize, you suck (to be humble)
3) To not look at losses, as losses, but as learning experiences. (It doesn't matter that you lost to your friend, both you and your friend suck, who cares if you can beat each other and how frequently)
There is such a thing as a casual competitive player, it's the player who only plays when there are others to play against. If someone truly wants to get better, they spend their own time to do so. They watch video's, practice tech skill, invent new things, think about the game on their own time. That's what it takes to really start improving.
I doubt your girl is of the latter type, but if she is then great.
Assuming, though, she is of the former, she's only going to practice when you're there practicing with her, and it's probably a waste of time to tell her to practice on her own time in any form (watching, or doing). Just play with her if she wants to play, let her play the character she wants to play;
-there is no benefits in terms of improving if you start out maining pichu, or fox, you learn as a player at the same rate so let her play who she has fun with. The important thing is that you stick with 1 character until you understand the game at a high level. If she mains sheik cause you told her to, or doesn't main zelda because you told her zelda is bad, then she won't have any 'link' to the character, and will enjoy improving less. To go more in detail because I feel this is a big thing the community does which deters prospective players is telling someone who they should main. Unless you come into the game with solely the desire to be the best, it's important to have some trivial link with the character you choose to get good with. Otherwise, it might turn into just a chore to practice tech skill with fox because he's good. You have to have some affiliation with the character, however small, and that will give you a desire to be good with that character. For example, when I chose samus, it was cause she could charge up and shoot that plasma ball. That's so cool man, just BOOM whenever you have it. From that I decided that I wanted to use her, so my losses only inspired me. I knew she wasn't the greatest character, but it didn't matter because she was the only one who could charge that plasma shot and shoot it! I believe at least this is an important aspect of becoming good at the game.
Not all fox mains chose him because he's S-tier, most of them probably just liked how he felt.
The biggest thing you can do is to keep the game fun, and rewarding, for her. Anything you do that might take away that will only serve to take away from her desire to keep playing and improving.
Let her play zelda, and lose your mind every time she lands an electric toe. Or if she plays link, any time of combo she does say wtf!?
Let her feel what we feel when we do cool combo's, or watch cool combo's, show her hype, if that doesn't get her then she's not a competitive gamer.
Slip the advice in there gradually, "na you been doin that too much, gotta switch it up."
"you know you can do ____ out of shield? it's pretty good i seen some good (zelda/link/sheik) players use that, try it"
don't tell someone how to play (give them a fish), teach them how to understand the game & what it takes to win (teach them to fish)
1) A desire to be the best (in a small way at least, you find the idea appealing), or at least to improve
2) To realize, you suck (to be humble)
3) To not look at losses, as losses, but as learning experiences. (It doesn't matter that you lost to your friend, both you and your friend suck, who cares if you can beat each other and how frequently)
There is such a thing as a casual competitive player, it's the player who only plays when there are others to play against. If someone truly wants to get better, they spend their own time to do so. They watch video's, practice tech skill, invent new things, think about the game on their own time. That's what it takes to really start improving.
I doubt your girl is of the latter type, but if she is then great.
Assuming, though, she is of the former, she's only going to practice when you're there practicing with her, and it's probably a waste of time to tell her to practice on her own time in any form (watching, or doing). Just play with her if she wants to play, let her play the character she wants to play;
-there is no benefits in terms of improving if you start out maining pichu, or fox, you learn as a player at the same rate so let her play who she has fun with. The important thing is that you stick with 1 character until you understand the game at a high level. If she mains sheik cause you told her to, or doesn't main zelda because you told her zelda is bad, then she won't have any 'link' to the character, and will enjoy improving less. To go more in detail because I feel this is a big thing the community does which deters prospective players is telling someone who they should main. Unless you come into the game with solely the desire to be the best, it's important to have some trivial link with the character you choose to get good with. Otherwise, it might turn into just a chore to practice tech skill with fox because he's good. You have to have some affiliation with the character, however small, and that will give you a desire to be good with that character. For example, when I chose samus, it was cause she could charge up and shoot that plasma ball. That's so cool man, just BOOM whenever you have it. From that I decided that I wanted to use her, so my losses only inspired me. I knew she wasn't the greatest character, but it didn't matter because she was the only one who could charge that plasma shot and shoot it! I believe at least this is an important aspect of becoming good at the game.
Not all fox mains chose him because he's S-tier, most of them probably just liked how he felt.
The biggest thing you can do is to keep the game fun, and rewarding, for her. Anything you do that might take away that will only serve to take away from her desire to keep playing and improving.
Let her play zelda, and lose your mind every time she lands an electric toe. Or if she plays link, any time of combo she does say wtf!?
Let her feel what we feel when we do cool combo's, or watch cool combo's, show her hype, if that doesn't get her then she's not a competitive gamer.
Slip the advice in there gradually, "na you been doin that too much, gotta switch it up."
"you know you can do ____ out of shield? it's pretty good i seen some good (zelda/link/sheik) players use that, try it"
don't tell someone how to play (give them a fish), teach them how to understand the game & what it takes to win (teach them to fish)
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
Brrrr brrbrbe
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
She sounds like she could see some fairly immediate improvement from:
1) practicing her basic technical skills on her own (WD/l-cancel/sh/etc.)
2) watching videos & reading a guide
3) screwing around on her own, trying to emulate some of the basics she saw in those videos
4) playing more
Technical skill is extremely important at the level she's at. She probably can't execute some simple chains of commands (WD back f-tilt, WD oos grab, SH nair oos, SH FF AC fair > JC grab, d-throw > dash attack > FJ uair > DJ fair) that are pretty essential to playing... any character. Even Sheik.
I would also suggest exposing her to more players in general. Smashfests are awesome. I see you live in Michigan. Take her to The Big House or something where there will be a large player populace and tons of people at a variety of skill levels. Let her play people she can hold her own against, and let her get crushed by others. The variety of skill will probably put into better perspective where she stands in the community. Seeing people at top level will also probably give her some good ideas. Maybe even an idea on what she needs to work on most.
Although, honestly, it sounds like her execution and game plan are the biggest problems right now. By far.
She probably asks you, "How do I do <insert>?" or "What do I do about <insert>?" That's a sign of not knowing what to do. And while guides and videos and whatever help, the only real way to learn how to apply an answer is to practice and play.
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1) practicing her basic technical skills on her own (WD/l-cancel/sh/etc.)
2) watching videos & reading a guide
3) screwing around on her own, trying to emulate some of the basics she saw in those videos
4) playing more
Technical skill is extremely important at the level she's at. She probably can't execute some simple chains of commands (WD back f-tilt, WD oos grab, SH nair oos, SH FF AC fair > JC grab, d-throw > dash attack > FJ uair > DJ fair) that are pretty essential to playing... any character. Even Sheik.
I would also suggest exposing her to more players in general. Smashfests are awesome. I see you live in Michigan. Take her to The Big House or something where there will be a large player populace and tons of people at a variety of skill levels. Let her play people she can hold her own against, and let her get crushed by others. The variety of skill will probably put into better perspective where she stands in the community. Seeing people at top level will also probably give her some good ideas. Maybe even an idea on what she needs to work on most.
Although, honestly, it sounds like her execution and game plan are the biggest problems right now. By far.
She probably asks you, "How do I do <insert>?" or "What do I do about <insert>?" That's a sign of not knowing what to do. And while guides and videos and whatever help, the only real way to learn how to apply an answer is to practice and play.
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Mr.Jackpot
Smash Lord
Fuss you are one lucky *******.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Meh. I've seen enough of these to not be too impressed by them.
weon - X
Smash Ace
over rated............
kevo
Smash Journeyman
Play time mode with no timer (so it's an endless smash fest) and tell her to just fool around on you. That's how I familiarize myself with new characters or techniques. There's less stress about "omg if I mess up I'll lose this stock". If she messes up edgehop bair and SD's, set her up for another one until she gets a feel for it. Tell her to try combos and stuff until she gets them down. Combo her and have her get the DI right. Play edgeguarding games. Most importantly, smash around and have her try stuff.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I'm trying not to read this as sex but it's really, really hard.
Pi
Smash Hero
yea, endless time matches are underrated
Archangel
Smash Hero
mine already plays. 
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I concur.
the_CAM_factor
Smash Journeyman
this x1000000, its the perfect atmosphere for learning new stuff and getting a feel for the game.
kevo
Smash Journeyman
Your mom AND your gf? Dang, you should have them MM each other.mine already plays.
Fuss
Smash Apprentice
Bla bla bla bla
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Someone mentioned it earlier, but punishing the same thing over and over is my favorite way of training people.
On the other side of this, you want to use the same strategy consistently, letting the opponent figure out how to beat it, and then keep doing it until they can punish it consistently. Only switch when you are confident that they understand what is happening.
I see a lot of people start doing this, and then switch strategies as soon as the opponent punishes it once or twice. It takes some self control, and an acceptance that you are about to eat punishment, but it really helps them improve quickly and it keeps their morale up while playing you because it feels like they are accomplishing something.
Once they get a hang of a handful of strategies, switch it to stock matches and start randomly rotating between just that handful. Once they seem comfortable, you can mix in a few outsider strats, but try to keep the majority of the play time restricted to what you are training them with.
Rinse and repeat.
Note: This method is something I ripped straight from practice routines of any sport. You go through the motions of an action thousands of times in practice (fitting) so that you can execute it at will when its game time.
On the other side of this, you want to use the same strategy consistently, letting the opponent figure out how to beat it, and then keep doing it until they can punish it consistently. Only switch when you are confident that they understand what is happening.
I see a lot of people start doing this, and then switch strategies as soon as the opponent punishes it once or twice. It takes some self control, and an acceptance that you are about to eat punishment, but it really helps them improve quickly and it keeps their morale up while playing you because it feels like they are accomplishing something.
Once they get a hang of a handful of strategies, switch it to stock matches and start randomly rotating between just that handful. Once they seem comfortable, you can mix in a few outsider strats, but try to keep the majority of the play time restricted to what you are training them with.
Rinse and repeat.
Note: This method is something I ripped straight from practice routines of any sport. You go through the motions of an action thousands of times in practice (fitting) so that you can execute it at will when its game time.
l0telephone0l
Smash Cadet
- Joined
- Oct 7, 2007
- Messages
- 43
If you want to help her out with regards to motivation, have her play some [super] scrubby players and when she destroys them, she can see her improvement. It helps to have evidence that you've really improved.
You're mad lucky... My GF likes brawl...
At least she loves playing StarCraft2 lol.
You're mad lucky... My GF likes brawl...
At least she loves playing StarCraft2 lol.
Winston
Smash Master
what the heck is dthrow jab?
Juushichi
sugoi ~ sugoi ~
The jab is to reset the character so you can continue to **** them.