Official "Who is going to return?" topic

[MasterGary]

I still think that something is wrong with you, Turnips are very good if used correctly, and her upb can be used in combo's even though there not very damaging.

 

[Red Exodus]

Peach is a b****!!

Peach is FAR from balanced! What's the move? Oh, the "double edged gown", that deals anywhere from 6-75%. How is that balanced? Also that she can pull it off rapidly with practically 0 lagtime. And it's so hard to kill her. She's light, but she's floaty, can hover with her parasol, and hover horizontally for at least 5 seconds.

Peach, IMO, is the most unbalanced character ever. I'd like to see her back, but please nerf that **** gown.

I KNOW!!! I picked up Shiek just to kill that stupid b****! I hate Peach to no end, and as a matter of fact, Peach is my new dumbie, in everything! What were they thinking by making a move with 0 start-up time do up to 70% with one direct hit and giving it incredible knock back!? The only way to kill Peach is to shine spike, spike, meteor, or just plain knock her well below stage level.

Peach is a b****!
Peach go die!

*blows up something*

 

[MasterGary]

Actually 1 of the easiest ways to kill peach is to use moves that send you up like Fox's usmash and Falco's dtilt.

 

[Red Exodus]

I was gonna include that but I was distracted by images of the b**** getting gimped brutally.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Yes he is Master Gary. You want A new moveset for Peach but we are complaining she is too good already. There is something wrong with you. Come on...one attack can = 75% damage and you want a new moveset!

Creo, man, you're killing me here! We used to agree on so much, now I have to yell at you.

Peach has a move, one move, with almost 0 start up time and almost 0 cool-down time that racks up 6-70% damage in one shot and sends you flying (Falco's worst nightmare). Also, she has those turnips. I wouldn't mind them so much if she wasn't able to pull out a certain one with a gruesome face that does about 35% and at relatively low percentages hits like a Homerun Bat, and can on occastion pull out Bob-ombs and Beam Swords (annoying in No-Item matches). Plus she's floaty, medium weight, and can fly, making her annoyingly hard to kill at the average killing percentages (anywhere from about 100-200%). The only really dominant move she has that I feel is "fair" is her forward throw. Sure, give her that killer move. If you find yourself caught by a Peach, or anyone for that matter, at a high percentage you deserve to die. Peach is the most annoying, aggrivating, and unbalanced character in the whole game. Nerf those moves, take out the Bob-omb, Beam Sword, and nerf the sick-faced turnip from her dB; make her light so she can actually die at a reasonable percentage; and for the love of god, nerf the sh;t out of her Smash dA from 6-70% to about 6-30%.

70%? In one attack? What were you thinking Sakurai?

 

[Creo]

Okay I am aware of all this. And yes it is Falco's worst nightmare(experience).
I do say nerf the Dsmash totally because to me, that is like an sub-infinite(I know it is not infinite so don't say that). Yes her recovery is annoying because it is probably second next to Jiggs. Either cut the flying or no Parasol. Other than that, I don't care because those are the two main pain in the *** moves. Should they nerf her...yes but not all the way because then she would just suck.(not that I care because I use Falco)

 

[rm88]

You just are not good at fighting Peach. I can complain about every character in the same way (FOX IS WAY TOO FAST!!! SHEIK HAS NO LAG!!!). Peach is not broken, she didn't even get nerfed in the PAL version (like Sheik and Fox did). It seems like it's not OK to complain about the TOP TIERS, but it's perfectly fine to whine about Peach. Happy Dsmashing!

 

[Johnknight1]

Complaining is weak, all the characters are good. Hell your talking about Peach, and there are far worse off characters. None of the characters are broken, so stop complaining. Want me to complain about everyone who needs to get nerfed, because I'll name off the entire roster, so don't get me started.

So stop complaining, and Dyce that she's a lightweight, only a few characters weight less than her. She's relatively easy to Ko, and if you have troubles, work on beating Peach vs. ranting about nothing. Peach, or any character for that matter is not broken. If there was a broken character they would be banned from tournies, everyone would use them, and the game's tier balance would be ultimately destroyed. So stop whinning=end of story.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

So stop whinning=end of story.

. . . Waaaaaaaaaaaah . . .

Peach isn't "broken", per se. I'd say the difference between "broken" and "Peachy" (I'm coining that term) is that broken is when a character has moves that make them all around too good and higher ranked on the tier list than most or every other character; Peachy is when a character (namely Peach) has an overly powerful move that shouldn't be in the game in the first place because it's just too overpowering, unfair to one/some/most/all character(s), and/or practically stupid. Being Peachy doesn't make a good character, being Peachy makes them either incredibly unfair and/or incredibly annoying. Infinite throws are Peachy (Marth's up throw, almost all of Sheiks, etc.). Zelda's dash A is Peachy (see the size of the hitbox on that thing? It's as big as her! And it puts you in a position [depending on the fall-speed of your character] to be either comboed into another one or Fair-ed to your doom. And Peach's smash dA is the Peachiest of the all (6-70%!?!? WTF?!?!).

Broken- An arsenal of above average moves that make a character too good.
Peachy- Having at least one UNNECESSARLIY good move that dominates.

 

[tstumo]

lol it's not her fault. i use Peach in every game she's in so naturally in melee i did the same thing. and Yes she's a beast lol. everytime i use her people say i cheat. even the Ai at times can be difficult. she doesnt die easily so i understand what some of you are saying. her
D smash is very helpful. Peach doesnt really hit as hard as with some of her moves so they made up for that by making her juggle people easily and of course that beast of a move the Dsmash.


She's always underestimated as a character in some games so it's funny to see that she's one of the hardest characters in melee to beat if used correctly. I say, stop hating on her and her killer dress.lol. I think we need to jump on Fox who to me is ridiculous. there's no character i hate more than Fox.

 

[petre]

peach? fox? come on, you guys dont know what youre talking about. the worst is definitely marth. SO MUCH RANGE! TIPPERS THAT KILL UNDER 50%! A GRAB THATS AS BIG AS HIS SWORD! OMG CHEAP!

and then dont get me started on the cheapest of all-mewtwo! thats right! he can control your mind...he'll make you kill yourself! he'll win without touching you! now THATS cheap. who cares about 70% damage, when youre gonna SD anyway?

 

[Johnknight1]

@ X-x-Dyce-x-X
If they are so broken, why aren't they banned from tournies, answer me that. If you are dumb enough to get hurt 70%, you obviously don't know how to play the game, unless under rare conditions, or the top of the top pro combos. Enough with the crap vocab, all the characters are good, all the characters can do combos, and all the characters are cheap, and that's the way I like it!

@ tstumo
I main Fox, and am offended. If Fox was cheap his blaster wold blast just as fasst, do 50% damage, and would stun you for 5 seconds. What with this hate towards all these characters, it gets so annoying repeating myself, even if I know I'm right.

@ petre
Ergh....this is getting annoying, you people are complaining about nothing. If he's so cheap where are his projectiles=??? See, every fighter has their weakness, exploiting it is key, and making sure your fighter's weakness isn't totally exploited is key as well. If anyone worked as hard with Ken as any character, and has his skillz (natural or earned), then they could be the undesputed best SSB player in the world.

You people annoy me with this pointless "omfg this character is s00 cheap" stuff, can we get back on subject, or at least something reasonable where I am not right 100% of the time=???

 

[roy_owns]

I don't see how Peach is annoying, I can pwn her like a lvl 1 Pichu

 

[Creo]

Yes but have you played a good Peach? Ahh what am I saying...I don't care.
Johnknight1...you start this topic now then.

 

[roy_owns]

Yes and I can pwn Peach if shes lvl 9 with Gany

 

[Vali]

John I don't understand your viewpoint at all. Just because there's about 5 characters more or less equally broken doesn't make them not broken at all. Anyone who's above middle tier standard is in one way or another broken, since they're above the average level of balance that Smash Bros. should strive to achieve. The fact that they aren't banned at tournaments is because everyone uses them and the fact that there's a selection of broken -> mildly broken characters to choose from. Also just because they have a couple of exploitable weaknesses doesn't balance out that the majority of their stats/moves are broken since in any balanced character the weaknesses and strengths should more or less balance themselves out.

"Want me to complain about everyone who needs to get nerfed, because I'll name off the entire roster, so don't get me started."

What exactly about Mewtwo needs to get nerfed? Nerf the only things which means that he has a chance of winning and make him a garunteed lose to pick? Any character above the middle average needs to be nerfed and any character below needs to be buffed, that's how balancing works (people seem to get it wrong a lot of the time but that's just the way it goes) and if you think that any character such as Fox or Peach doesn't need a nerfing for Brawl then quite frankly you might be mildly ******** and just want an unbalanced Brawl.

Then again if they buffed everyone up to the top tier standard that'd also work, but to be honest you'd just end up with some characters with incredibly powerful moves and really really bad weaknesses to add some diversity and bringing them down to a mario-esque standard would work better in practice.

 

[soaz]

i dont care who returns as long as faclo returns.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

John, I didn't say Peach is broken, I said she's got some cheapass moves that make her annoying to play against.

And Fox is a b4stard. I just started using him recently. I'm still used to being Falco so I'm a little shakey with him and his controls, but I'm already beating my friends who use their best.

Marth's tipper is Peachy, but no, Marth himself isn't broken. He's got many moves with lots of recovery time, he's floaty so he can't fastfall or SHFFL so easily, and you need to be very advanced with him to be any good.

And the Mewtwo thing... that was clearly a joke. Calm down Vali. Unless there really is a Mewtwo move that makes opponents SD that I havn't found yet?

 

[tstumo]

yeah, I didnt say Fox was broken. i just said he's ridiculous. Fox does need to be nerfed because he's just that. ridiculous. his shine and his speed. and i just dont like Fox anyway so...

 

[Creo]

And the Mewtwo thing... that was clearly a joke. Calm down Vali. Unless there really is a Mewtwo move that makes opponents SD that I havn't found yet?

Well he can kill you with one hit at the edge of battlefield or edges with large space like that but that is all I know.

 

[SandStorm7]

The only thing that Ness needs changed is his recovery range with pkt2 and possibly a faster bolt of thunder

 

[Creo]

And his back throw. That thing was uber throw back and now it barely moves the opponent.

 

[roy_owns]

Man this is the 5th time since I joined we've talked about Ness

 

[Johnknight1]

John, I didn't say Peach is broken, I said she's got some cheapass moves that make her annoying to play against.

And Fox is a b4stard. I just started using him recently. I'm still used to being Falco so I'm a little shakey with him and his controls, but I'm already beating my friends who use their best.

Marth's tipper is Peachy, but no, Marth himself isn't broken. He's got many moves with lots of recovery time, he's floaty so he can't fastfall or SHFFL so easily, and you need to be very advanced with him to be any good.

And the Mewtwo thing... that was clearly a joke. Calm down Vali. Unless there really is a Mewtwo move that makes opponents SD that I havn't found yet?

LOL, my sarcastic remark started something=yae! Anyways, I can complain about every character if I wanted to, I have that much on each of them. The diffrence between high tier and low tier characters is that high tier characters generally can use all their moves, and still be efffective, while low tier characters have a few moves that suck. (ie: Ness' aupsmash) Also, every character has cheapass moves if you look hard enough, and tiers are more on terms of popularity than which character is better in SSB, especially Melee.

@ Vali
tiers>skill=that's what I'm saying. The tiers are more balanced then what you think. Honestly, go on youtube, and you can find someone who is the best of the best pwning the best with any character basically. I don't want an unbalanced Brawl, I"m saying Melee was the closest thing video gaming ever got to in terms of balanced tiers. Very character has strengths, every character has weaknesses, and when it comes down to it every character can be effective, and beat almost any other character.

This is like the whole "zomg Pichu sucks" discussion. My friend has a pretty decent Pichu that can pwn my Link anyday (=my ultimate weakness with Link). I have a decent Ness, and a pretty good Roy, and people complain about those characters sooooo much, on how they suck, but never play them, and assume they suck since barely anyone uses them compared to the high tiers.

Then, after the complaining of the underused low tiers, people complain about the overused high tiers. Seriously, some characters are more popular than others, and there are diffrent styles of fighting with each character, even the clooniest of clones. Unless you want every character to have the same attacks, same stats, same weight, and same damage perfectly balanced tiers aren't going to use them.

Plus I've actually been to a MLG tourny (I didn't enter, just spectated), and I saw every character used (except Zelda for some reason). Every character (other than Zelda=odd), and someone could be amazing with any of them. Overall any bit of tier improvement from Melee to Brawl basically takes a lot of time, work, and sweat.

Brawl has to improve upon the closest thing to fighting game tier perfection we've ever seen (other than sucky fighting games where there are 10 fighters exactly the same), and I hope (and am almost sure) Sakurai, his team, nad Nintendo could pull it off AGAIN. Now for what Mewtwo needs nerfed...this will be fun!

"Mewtwo, his Bup is so annoying, it's hard to tell where he's going. His Bdown stuns me, I can't move, zomg he's so cheap!" I've heard someone complain about every character in the game.

You honestly don't get what I'm saying, I'm not denying Fox or Peach have a bit of a advantage over Pichu or Mewtwo, but after work you could be the best player in the world with basically any character. If a character was broken they would have a 0 to death combo that was completely indodgeable (like Shiek's chain grab, but 10 times the damage).

It's rare that someone combos you 70% (unless you're facing a pro or something), but virtually every character has comobo potential. I'm serious, I could talk about what needs to be changed with every character, and how it's overpowered or stupid. Serously, you watch the best of the best play in the most important matches, time after time, you'll see them use at least 20 characters. Heck, they could even use the entire roster, the game has that good tiers.

In other words, you work harder with a character than someone else, you win. Simple as that. The only problem I have with any character is Shiek and Zelda. If you switch between the two in the middle of a game you can have mad mindgame advantages. In the unlikely event Shiek returns, she should be a seperate character slot. That is the only major problem I have with any characters. The rest are just minor or insignifigant problems. If you people want to see broken, see fighting games tha nooone plays. Now that's broken!

Originally Posted by SandStorm7
The only thing that Ness needs changed is his recovery range with pkt2 and possibly a faster bolt of thunder

I like this idea, but I don't see it happening. The newer SSB players, or people who are inexperienced with Ness would be like "zomg this is too fast, I can't control it!". The recovery is actually pretty good, though, he's probably the character that requires the most work with recovery.

Also some of his throw moves (mainly his down throw) aren't too useful, plus his aup and adown are rarely useful (his side throw is awsome). Personally, I would like to see Ness use a slingshot, get taller (he should be as tall as YLink), and maybe a bit more buffage. Overall noone really needs to get nerfed very much, but some characters (*cough* Kirby) need more strength.

C'mon look at Kirby in SSB64 and in Melee, and that is pathetic. I'm hoping the same thing doesn't happen to Fox, otherwise there goes my 2nd main getting totally nerfed into crap. That is why I don't like the nerf crap, they don't need it that much, and when they get it, they suck sooooo bad!!! If that's the case, where they totally change Fox into n00b Fox, I'll have to change my main, and I'll suck as hell with them for the first few months. Then Fox will become crap, and people won't play Fox anymore.

Overall if there are any nerfs, they should be minimal, and buffage needs to be a bit more with some characters, since I would say 90% of the characters are fine. I don't want Fox or Falco, or even Peach to become the next f****** Kirby, that would suck, and I'd be even more p***** with Sakurai than what he did to his own character, Kirby. Ya, so overall this ranting is annoying and pointless, every character has potential to be cheap, and isn't that why we use them.

 

[petre]

And the Mewtwo thing... that was clearly a joke. Calm down Vali. Unless there really is a Mewtwo move that makes opponents SD that I havn't found yet?

oh no, i was serious. youve never had mewtwo controlling your mind?

but really, i think he was referring to john's post of 'nerf everyone', not mine.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Ah... well, I still think Mewtwo needs some buffing. No, I lied, not some, a BUTTLOAD. Unless you're Taj, you pretty much can't be that good with Mewtwo. It's a fact of life.

 

[Johnknight1]

Ah... well, I still think Mewtwo needs some buffing. No, I lied, not some, a BUTTLOAD. Unless you're Taj, you pretty much can't be that good with Mewtwo. It's a fact of life.

I'm against buffing Mewtwo. I think he needs to be totally redone, have a actually useful Bdown and Bside, etc. Plus he doesn't need to be shot so far back by his Shadow Ball (B) attack. He needs to wieght more, be stronger, etc. Overall he needs to be changed a substantial amount, along with maybe 1 or 2 other characters.

 

[the_irish_dude]

the ice climbers are broken...

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Well... yea... ok... a Luigification and a buff.

I agree, about his fB. That thing sucks, it only throws your enemies up about a foot high so they can kick you in the face on the way down. It should get higher knockback with higher percentages.

Gotta love that uB though. Better than a dodgeroll and an aerial dodge combined. I'd argue it to be the best uB in the game. Too bad that's the only thing going for him.

His nB is decent. It could go a bit farther or be a bit stronger. And it really shouldn't throw him like that.

As for his dB... it could be better.
What I think they should do, is make his dB 'Reflect' and it could be like a wall on the front side of Mewtwo that you can keep up and it would be like Fox's and Falco's shine. And then make his fB... 'Psychic'? It could shoot out rings or waves or whatever that do damage and blast you back like getting hit with two of Mewtwo's eyebeams (forgot the name).

 

[the_irish_dude]

ok...i dont think any character is "broken" maybe very amazing attacks...but for a character to b broken it should be able to beat anyone even if a noob is playin it....and peach is def. not broken by those standerds niether is fox...shiek...eh simple yes but not broken...

 

[dynamic_entry]

@ irish dude
the only thing wrong with peach is her dsmash. that baby lays on soo much dmg if u get caught in it. fox, marth and shiek arent 'broken', but they are clearly better characters than every1 else. mewtwo needs weight, and a move overhaul.

 

[Johnknight1]

Well... yea... ok... a Luigification and a buff.

I agree, about his fB. That thing sucks, it only throws your enemies up about a foot high so they can kick you in the face on the way down. It should get higher knockback with higher percentages.

Gotta love that uB though. Better than a dodgeroll and an aerial dodge combined. I'd argue it to be the best uB in the game. Too bad that's the only thing going for him.

His nB is decent. It could go a bit farther or be a bit stronger. And it really shouldn't throw him like that.

As for his dB... it could be better.
What I think they should do, is make his dB 'Reflect' and it could be like a wall on the front side of Mewtwo that you can keep up and it would be like Fox's and Falco's shine. And then make his fB... 'Psychic'? It could shoot out rings or waves or whatever that do damage and blast you back like getting hit with two of Mewtwo's eyebeams (forgot the name).

Mewtwo needs to be redone, that is something we all should agree on. He's one of the few characters I'd dub as "not that great". His Bside and Bdown either needs to be totally redone, then Mewtwo would be twice as good.

His A button moveset needs some tweaking, and like X-x-Dyce-x-X said, his nB should be a throw, but a blast, and it shouldn't push Mewtwo back like that. Overall all that, plus he should weigh more, and do heavier damage with more impact, and he's set. The only thing he's got are a few A moves, that awsine Bup, and a overall very useful grab for the most part. Then Mewtwo would be 125% kick ***!

 

[Katy Parry]

yeah, but i doubt shiek makes it. i just hope zelda does!


johnknight1, get my message?


Gosh, i think mew should be a playable character, but metwo weight should be middle.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Mew's just going to be inside the Pokeball again. He's already made his name known as the tiny thing that does nothing but fly away in both games. They can't change his size and make him kick butts now.

Also, about Mewtwo, too many of his A attacks have too much warm-up time to them. If it wasn't for that tail, he'd be useless.

 

[Johnknight1]

^^^^ Seriously, too much friggen lag with A attacks killed Mewtwo. I like his grabs, Bup, and nB (somewat) quite a bit. If Mewtwo didn't have that lag with 90% of his A attacks, he'd be at least mid tier. Again, fix his A attacks, change his Bside and Bdown, make his B do more damage, plus not push him back, make him weigh more and do more damage plus impact, and he's bound to be a mid to mid-high tier at least. If this happens, Mewtwo could be the next Samus, in terms of going from low tier, to mid-high tier.

 

[dynamic_entry]

another prob with mewtwo is that while his f-air is good, and his n-air is ok, the fact that hes so flaoty makes his attacks completely predictable anyway. shizen hausen. i really hope they dont just scrap him tho, cos he has too much potential.

mewtwo vs deoxys...battle as old as time!

 

[Rhyme]

Complaining is weak, all the characters are good. Hell your talking about Peach, and there are far worse off characters. None of the characters are broken, so stop complaining. Want me to complain about everyone who needs to get nerfed, because I'll name off the entire roster, so don't get me started.

So stop complaining, and Dyce that she's a lightweight, only a few characters weight less than her. She's relatively easy to Ko, and if you have troubles, work on beating Peach vs. ranting about nothing. Peach, or any character for that matter is not broken. If there was a broken character they would be banned from tournies, everyone would use them, and the game's tier balance would be ultimately destroyed. So stop whinning=end of story.

Peach isn't a lightweight, she's the twelvth heaviest in the game. Dyce, go for vertical KO's against Peach, unless you're a character with a highly overpowered horizontal KOing move, like Marth's tippers. Speaking of whom, Marth is deffinately broken, don't go saying he isn't.

There is one situation that Peach's Dsmash completely destroys most people. If you are underneath her on FoD when the platform is floating low, you get sucked into that dress with NO hope of escape, and that was COMPLETELY UNFAIAR. If Peach's Dsmash didn't suck people in like it did, but more like Samus' Dsmash, then it would be a fair move with fair knockback.

lol it's not her fault. i use Peach in every game she's in so naturally in melee i did the same thing. and Yes she's a beast lol. everytime i use her people say i cheat. even the Ai at times can be difficult. she doesnt die easily so i understand what some of you are saying. her
D smash is very helpful. Peach doesnt really hit as hard as with some of her moves so they made up for that by making her juggle people easily and of course that beast of a move the Dsmash.


She's always underestimated as a character in some games so it's funny to see that she's one of the hardest characters in melee to beat if used correctly. I say, stop hating on her and her killer dress.lol. I think we need to jump on Fox who to me is ridiculous. there's no character i hate more than Fox.

Right, because you're a Peach main, and you look at Fox and see well-placed Usmashes = death at 85%, and Uthrow to Uair = peachy. It takes a lot of practice, placement of attacks, and quick reflexes with DI to avoid that Dsmash space-animal slayer. Peach vs Fox takes so long, and is quite honestly agrevating more often than fun. That's not what Melee should be about.

I'm a Samus main, so even without playing as a fastfaller, I can say that Peach's Dsmash is a bihatch to avoid. People tend to spam the Dsmash, and it's easy to get hit eight times within one life, killed by it as an edgeguard, or take minimum seventy damage from that move alone.

@ X-x-Dyce-x-X
If they are so broken, why aren't they banned from tournies, answer me that. If you are dumb enough to get hurt 70%, you obviously don't know how to play the game, unless under rare conditions, or the top of the top pro combos. Enough with the crap vocab, all the characters are good, all the characters can do combos, and all the characters are cheap, and that's the way I like it!

They aren't banned because banning a character wouldn't be fair. If you hadn't noticed, techniques like wobbling also get banned because they are broken. The higher tiered characters are not entirely broken, but have enough cracks in them to balance eachother out. Marth is pretty broken, but put him against a broken Fox and you have a "fair" matchup.

@ tstumo
I main Fox, and am offended. If Fox was cheap his blaster wold blast just as fasst, do 50% damage, and would stun you for 5 seconds. What with this hate towards all these characters, it gets so annoying repeating myself, even if I know I'm right.

Just because you say you are right doesn't mean that you are. Fox's blaster isn't what makes him cheap.

Johnknight, you should have actaully played at the tournament. Even if you were spectating, you should have whitnessed several strategies that are just plain peachy, as Dyce describes them. Either way, the experience of playing is certainly different than watchinig, and I'd highly recommend that you get yourself some tournament experience if you have the opprotunity.

Any character above the middle average needs to be nerfed and any character below needs to be buffed, that's how balancing works (people seem to get it wrong a lot of the time but that's just the way it goes) and if you think that any character such as Fox or Peach doesn't need a nerfing for Brawl then quite frankly you might be mildly ******** and just want an unbalanced Brawl.

...or another Smash64.

Marth's tipper is Peachy, but no, Marth himself isn't broken. He's got many moves with lots of recovery time, he's floaty so he can't fastfall or SHFFL so easily, and you need to be very advanced with him to be any good.

Then consider the following; once you reach this level of advanced play, and are surrounded by dozens of other smashers who all understand and utilize advanced strategies, practically EVERYONE can play Marth that way, which in turn makes him broken.

the ice climbers are broken...

Technically, yes. They have a glitch which would have made them broken, if it had not been banned, that is. De-synching is tricky, but with a little practice you should be able to fight against them. Unless the stage is Final, then you're all but screwed. They have some crazy grab combos, but those take a very high amount of technical skill to pull off, and that's something that most people, even players at the advanced level, can't do.

another prob with mewtwo is that while his f-air is good, and his n-air is ok, the fact that hes so flaoty makes his attacks completely predictable anyway. shizen hausen. i really hope they dont just scrap him tho, cos he has too much potential.

mewtwo vs deoxys...battle as old as time!

I think Nintendo should allow Mewtwo to unlock that potential, since he never got to use it in Melee. Some characters, like Samus, were balanced fairly well from Smash64 to Melee. I'm sure that Nintendo realizes what was done wrong last time with balancing, and will make the correct changes this time around.

 

[i8waffles612]

I unlocked 2 pokemon in bubbles...

1- Mew
2- forgot the name...

 

[Metric]

I wish all the characters could stay because the wide varity of characters is a big part of what makes smash bros so appealing to me. But since some have to go, I'm going to say get rid of(In this order); Young Link, Falco, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy, Ganondorf, Then Young link again. I'd like to see Roy and Ganondorf revamped Though, possibly even Falco. I just don't liek the second forms of other players. Not even a big fan of ZSS. But again, I wish they all could stay.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Johnknight, you should have actaully played at the tournament. Even if you were spectating, you should have whitnessed several strategies that are just plain peachy, as Dyce describes them. Either way, the experience of playing is certainly different than watchinig, and I'd highly recommend that you get yourself some tournament experience if you have the opprotunity.

Yay! Someone is using "peachy"!

...or another Smash64.
Then consider the following; once you reach this level of advanced play, and are surrounded by dozens of other smashers who all understand and utilize advanced strategies, practically EVERYONE can play Marth that way, which in turn makes him broken.

Well, if everyone in the game was overly imbalanced to the point that they're all broken, wouldn't that make the game... kinda balanced?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in my logic if you throw everyone up to God Tier, that would mean the same as throwing everyone into Middle Tier or even GodAWFUL Tier? (Though playing a game where everyone's GodAWFUL would make it a bad game. But you get my point.)

Technically, yes. They have a glitch which would have made them broken, if it had not been banned, that is. De-synching is tricky, but with a little practice you should be able to fight against them. Unless the stage is Final, then you're all but screwed. They have some crazy grab combos, but those take a very high amount of technical skill to pull off, and that's something that most people, even players at the advanced level, can't do.

I hate those little guys. And I still think Nana has it out for me. <_<