The Phazon Assassin
Smash Champion
If, IF Snake has bad match-ups, they're no worse than 60-40 I believe.
Stage-wise, there's not much a good Snake can't overcome/ban.
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**Official Titans of Smash (ToS) Crew Thread** We Never Died
- Thread starter CT Chia
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Stage-wise, there's not much a good Snake can't overcome/ban.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
That's still a disadvantaged MU.... rarely do top tiers have any matchups that're super bad. That's why they're top tier.
He's definitely more CPable than MK.
Related: don't forget to vote on the MK issue while the poll is still open.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=242903
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Snake has 1 bad matchup, which is DDD, 55:45 and Pit also, 55:45
The Phazon Assassin
Smash Champion
I thought Dedede Vs. Snake was in Snake's favor.
And Pit? How?
Roxas215
Smash Lord
Pika isn't winning any more tournaments with or without mk banned
Snake is going to completely run things with mk banned.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
Obviously Snake is going to be the best character with MK gone. I never said otherwise.
I don't know why you bothered with the first sentence.... when did I say anything about Pikachu winning tournaments? Which he can, btw. Pika's the king of neutral MUs.... the only character he gets ***** by is Marth. We just lack exceptional Pika players aside from Anther (who's been all about The Sims lately) and Z.
But all I did was mention Pika to show that Snake isn't like MK matchup-wise. He has close/unfavorable matchups.
kingkirby91
Banned via Warnings
holdup holdup.
are yall even playin 2night.
becasue i still see yall postin bak in forth
are yall even playin 2night.
becasue i still see yall postin bak in forth
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
TUSM only lives 10 min away, so he can leave pretty much whenever he wants, lol. I live ~20 min away, and I'm just being super slow. I'm halfway done getting ready to leave....
The Phazon Assassin
Smash Champion
Dawg.......we got this. I could leave tomorrow and get there before you.
kingkirby91
Banned via Warnings
lmao. true
Roxas215
Smash Lord
Lmao So True!
So u say pika can win tournaments but lacks the players to do so? That makes no sense. Pika is in no better shape to win a big tournament with or without mk.
I dont see the reason to ban him. People say it gives other chars more room to place well. If your not placing top 3 no one cares where u place anyway.
The Phazon Assassin
Smash Champion
I saw your vote......
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
.....What? Pikachu is a tournament viable character. As in, vs. common tournament characters (a.k.a. high/top tiers), he doesn't get *****; therefore, with an adequately skilled player behind him, he can win tournaments.
You can argue that Marth makes Pika unviable, but a) tournaments aren't exactly crawling with Marths (which may change if MK gets banned), and b) the MU isn't unwinnable, just very, very hard.
Characters like Peach and Zelda are not tournament viable. They get handily beaten by several common tournament characters, so you need a strong secondary to back them up if you main them.
What are you trying to argue? Just because people don't play Pikachu doesn't mean he isn't a good tournament character.... Anther and Z (to a lesser extent) have both proven that he is.
Both sides have legit points.
Roxas215
Smash Lord
True. When i voted i wasn't thinking.
I personally do want him banned since he ***** my char. But thinking about the whole picture it's not worth it.
I dont really care either way. Peach isn't winning no tournament with or without mk.
Dotcom
Smash Lord
Imo, played right Olimar beats Snake.
I think IC would dominate tbh
Anyway I voted yes despite me maining him now.
Anyway I voted yes despite me maining him now.
Roxas215
Smash Lord
WTF? You quit brawl then come back and main mk? Talk about backwards.
And yes ic's are going to dominate. No one can plank them as good as mk.
Yeah, if I'm going to play again I'm not going to limit myself with a character with lesser tools like Marth. I may as well use the best character.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
Who would you use if Meta Knight gets banned?
i'd go back to marth/sheik and maybe some peach
Roxas215
Smash Lord
DonMagicWand
Smash Cadet
i play Lucas pretty well...
well i did when i played brawl on a regular basis..
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Snake will not dominate with MK gone. The only reason he's 2nd as it is is because all of the characters that do well on him (ROB DDD Olimar Pit and maybe Diddy) all generally lose to MK for the most part.
As for ICs it's just about not getting grabbed and playing differently. imo they wont change at all from the MK ban.
As for ICs it's just about not getting grabbed and playing differently. imo they wont change at all from the MK ban.
Master Xanthan
Smash Champion
It's pretty difficult to avoid getting grabbed for the entire match, though.
blakinola
Constantly Delicious
How to play MK, an in-depth guide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50S5pS0Frbs
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Who wants to Brawl it up on Thursday at 5pm at the game room?
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
Snake v.s MK :Snake lives nearly twice as long per stock, kills extremely early, outcamps MK, and if he stays at the center of the stage, MK cannot get gimps. A good snake will stay grounded, but if he doesn't he looses in the air. Overall if Snake stays away from the edge and camps MK, he wins the match up.
IC's v.s MK: IC's vs MK is an even match up based on this. IC's have an infinite, although most people think MK can keep MK at bay, and not get grabbed, is false. IC can simply down b MK when he finally has to approach, and when MK tries to d-air camp, run away. MK will have to approach at some point and WILL get grabbed. One grab = One death and if that happens MK must approach and IC's has won the game.
IC's v.s MK: IC's vs MK is an even match up based on this. IC's have an infinite, although most people think MK can keep MK at bay, and not get grabbed, is false. IC can simply down b MK when he finally has to approach, and when MK tries to d-air camp, run away. MK will have to approach at some point and WILL get grabbed. One grab = One death and if that happens MK must approach and IC's has won the game.
blakinola
Constantly Delicious
CUMHN
10cumhns
10cumhns
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
Lol i told M2K this same thing, and it works.
Think of a Spammerer IC's v.s Spamerer MK
and Spammerer Snake vs Spammerer MK
who would win.
Think of a Spammerer IC's v.s Spamerer MK
and Spammerer Snake vs Spammerer MK
who would win.
KayLo!
Smarter than your average wabbit.
There's only so much stage length. What're they gonna do when he has them near the edge?
Xzax Kasrani
Smash Master
Blizzard lol. Blizzard can shut down MK
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
This is not the place for an mk debate -_-
The Phazon Assassin
Smash Champion
I call this......I don't know yet.
He sits his bike against the railing of the Wendy's he's about to order from. Upon entering, he finds a friend of his eating dinner with his two boys. After a brief, and rather pointless conversation, he proceeds to order what is essentially his key into his next destination. Since he didn't feel right only buying something for someone else, someone he felt owed him, a lot, he got himself a little treat as well. He felt better about the situation and went about his way. Carrying two drinks on a bike proved to be difficult at the least, so he simply walked his bike there, holding both drinks in his left hand. Luckily, his next point of arrival was barely considered a walk.
As he made his way to the front door, he starts to go for his phone. His chocolate frosty, which is already halfway gone, proved to be a wise choice. He sets his bike down on the ground, and reaches his right hand into his left pocket. He takes it out, scrolls through his list of contacts, and dials a number, "Evan." His bluetooth, which was placed loosely in his left ear, offered only a computerized voice.
"At the subscribers request, this phone does not accept incoming calls."
"Crap," he thought to himself. It was at this point he remembered that his cell phone was out of commission. In a futile attempt to reach this person, he sent a text message, containing the words "I'm outside."
He didn't have a house number, so he pondered his options. He scrolled through some more names and dialed a second number, "KayLo." No answer.
"This is so gay." He knocks on the door a couple times, but to no avail. Before giving up, an idea crossed his mind. He remembered seeing his associate posting his home number on Smashboards. He unsheathes his DSi from his left pocket and clicks on "System Settings," scrolls over to "Internet" and starts to look for an access point. Nothing came up as he sucked down the last few bits of his chocolate beverage. He thought about consuming his friend's drink as well, but only if he couldn't reach him.
He rides down to the nearest McDonald's, a place which normally has free WiFi. After another failed search, he looks at his friend's drink. Ten minutes ago, it was a Frosty Float. Now, it was simply melted ice cream on top of a few ounces of Coca-Cola. He placed his straw inside and proceeded to drink it. It went down easily, partly because it wasn't as thick when he originally bought it.
"Hmmm, now I see why he gets these things." He rides back to the house and knocks on the door numerous times.
"Either no one is here, or everyone is deaf." He finishes most of the float and sits it down on the ground. At that moment, something hits him in the gut. One of those feelings that you get when you're left with a decision and you don't know what to do.
"Yeah, I should get home," he says to himself. He mounts his bike and returns to where he came from, leaving the remains of the Frosty Float behind. As he reaches the halfway mark, his phone starts to ring. He brings his bike to a halt and looks at his phone. It's an unfamiliar number, but he decides to answer anyway. Still unfamiliar with the controls of his bluetooth, he accidently ignores the caller. Without hesitation, he redials the number.
"Hello?"
"Hey, you called me?"
"You called me first." He thought to himself, "Uhhhh, no." then he realized who it was.
"Oh, yeah, right. Ummm, I got a question. Do you have Evan's house number?" There's a response, but he didn't hear it. He deactivates his bluetooth, then takes down the number. He hears laughter, but doesn't know why.
"Why are you pressing the buttons so slow?"
"Because, the.....buttons are small." They continue talking, then come to the agreement that tonight wasn't going to work. It looks like his gut feeling was right. He continues his trip home, parks his bike, and empties the contents of his pockets onto his bed. He proceeds directly to the bathroom and begins to get rid of the 5 pound waste that was his "gut feeling." He hears his cell phone go off, but is no position to answer it, or even care.
After a few more minutes of potty time, he checks his phone and sees a missed call and a new voicemail. The voicemail is from Evan, he person he tried so hard to get a hold of, but came up short. He calls Evan back, but his father picks up.
"Hello."
"Hi, is Evan there?"
"Yeah, hold on. EVAN!!!!!!"
"D*mn, he's loud."
"EVAAANN!!!!!!!!!!"
"Jesus, what are you, deaf, how can you not hear that?" As he waits for an answer, his mother walks up the steps and sees him back, a lot earlier than thought.
"That was quick."
"Yeah, I, uhhh, forgot something."
"You going back?" she questions.
"I don't know yet, I kinda don't feel like it." Another couple minutes pass and Evan finally reaches the phone.
"Hello?"
"Yeah, it's me." Sparing details, they talk about how the other person failed, but we all know who the victim really is.
"Look, King Kirby is here, so you have to come over. He's sitting here doing nothing."
"You ain't putting this on me. And why do I HAVE to come over?"
"Because he's here, and Kendall's gonna be here in 15 minutes. She should be leaving now." There's a long pause.
"I really don't feel like it..."
"You know you're coming, you're only like 5 minutes away, so just come on." Another pause.
"Alright, fine."
"Alright, call me at my house when you're outside."
"Yeah, yeah," he says while hanging up his phone. He throws his phone on the bed as he lets out a growl. He replaces all his belongings back into his pockets, but not before shooting a text to "KayLo" saying "Alright, I guess I am going back......sigh..." He grabs his bike and heads back out the door.
Evan, I hate you, and Brawl+ is a horrible game.
He sits his bike against the railing of the Wendy's he's about to order from. Upon entering, he finds a friend of his eating dinner with his two boys. After a brief, and rather pointless conversation, he proceeds to order what is essentially his key into his next destination. Since he didn't feel right only buying something for someone else, someone he felt owed him, a lot, he got himself a little treat as well. He felt better about the situation and went about his way. Carrying two drinks on a bike proved to be difficult at the least, so he simply walked his bike there, holding both drinks in his left hand. Luckily, his next point of arrival was barely considered a walk.
As he made his way to the front door, he starts to go for his phone. His chocolate frosty, which is already halfway gone, proved to be a wise choice. He sets his bike down on the ground, and reaches his right hand into his left pocket. He takes it out, scrolls through his list of contacts, and dials a number, "Evan." His bluetooth, which was placed loosely in his left ear, offered only a computerized voice.
"At the subscribers request, this phone does not accept incoming calls."
"Crap," he thought to himself. It was at this point he remembered that his cell phone was out of commission. In a futile attempt to reach this person, he sent a text message, containing the words "I'm outside."
He didn't have a house number, so he pondered his options. He scrolled through some more names and dialed a second number, "KayLo." No answer.
"This is so gay." He knocks on the door a couple times, but to no avail. Before giving up, an idea crossed his mind. He remembered seeing his associate posting his home number on Smashboards. He unsheathes his DSi from his left pocket and clicks on "System Settings," scrolls over to "Internet" and starts to look for an access point. Nothing came up as he sucked down the last few bits of his chocolate beverage. He thought about consuming his friend's drink as well, but only if he couldn't reach him.
He rides down to the nearest McDonald's, a place which normally has free WiFi. After another failed search, he looks at his friend's drink. Ten minutes ago, it was a Frosty Float. Now, it was simply melted ice cream on top of a few ounces of Coca-Cola. He placed his straw inside and proceeded to drink it. It went down easily, partly because it wasn't as thick when he originally bought it.
"Hmmm, now I see why he gets these things." He rides back to the house and knocks on the door numerous times.
"Either no one is here, or everyone is deaf." He finishes most of the float and sits it down on the ground. At that moment, something hits him in the gut. One of those feelings that you get when you're left with a decision and you don't know what to do.
"Yeah, I should get home," he says to himself. He mounts his bike and returns to where he came from, leaving the remains of the Frosty Float behind. As he reaches the halfway mark, his phone starts to ring. He brings his bike to a halt and looks at his phone. It's an unfamiliar number, but he decides to answer anyway. Still unfamiliar with the controls of his bluetooth, he accidently ignores the caller. Without hesitation, he redials the number.
"Hello?"
"Hey, you called me?"
"You called me first." He thought to himself, "Uhhhh, no." then he realized who it was.
"Oh, yeah, right. Ummm, I got a question. Do you have Evan's house number?" There's a response, but he didn't hear it. He deactivates his bluetooth, then takes down the number. He hears laughter, but doesn't know why.
"Why are you pressing the buttons so slow?"
"Because, the.....buttons are small." They continue talking, then come to the agreement that tonight wasn't going to work. It looks like his gut feeling was right. He continues his trip home, parks his bike, and empties the contents of his pockets onto his bed. He proceeds directly to the bathroom and begins to get rid of the 5 pound waste that was his "gut feeling." He hears his cell phone go off, but is no position to answer it, or even care.
After a few more minutes of potty time, he checks his phone and sees a missed call and a new voicemail. The voicemail is from Evan, he person he tried so hard to get a hold of, but came up short. He calls Evan back, but his father picks up.
"Hello."
"Hi, is Evan there?"
"Yeah, hold on. EVAN!!!!!!"
"D*mn, he's loud."
"EVAAANN!!!!!!!!!!"
"Jesus, what are you, deaf, how can you not hear that?" As he waits for an answer, his mother walks up the steps and sees him back, a lot earlier than thought.
"That was quick."
"Yeah, I, uhhh, forgot something."
"You going back?" she questions.
"I don't know yet, I kinda don't feel like it." Another couple minutes pass and Evan finally reaches the phone.
"Hello?"
"Yeah, it's me." Sparing details, they talk about how the other person failed, but we all know who the victim really is.
"Look, King Kirby is here, so you have to come over. He's sitting here doing nothing."
"You ain't putting this on me. And why do I HAVE to come over?"
"Because he's here, and Kendall's gonna be here in 15 minutes. She should be leaving now." There's a long pause.
"I really don't feel like it..."
"You know you're coming, you're only like 5 minutes away, so just come on." Another pause.
"Alright, fine."
"Alright, call me at my house when you're outside."
"Yeah, yeah," he says while hanging up his phone. He throws his phone on the bed as he lets out a growl. He replaces all his belongings back into his pockets, but not before shooting a text to "KayLo" saying "Alright, I guess I am going back......sigh..." He grabs his bike and heads back out the door.
Evan, I hate you, and Brawl+ is a horrible game.
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Your face
GOTM
Smash Champion
lol vex your like extremely annoying. your approaching inui status
Jigglymaster
Smash Hero
Vex aren't you against the Metaknight debate? Why would you say something like that to Chibo if hes trying not to bring the discussion here?
Vex Kasrani
Smash Master
Yes because I insult everybody right? yah I thought so, I don't do such a thing. I may be annoying but I'm not a ****.
Max Ketchum
Collegiate Starleague Smash Director
Um...Pit definitely doesn't beat Snake.
blakinola
Constantly Delicious
I don't think Pit destroys Snake, but he's not overwhelmed. He's got a nasty chaingrab all the way to the end of the stage and combos him pretty well. Can keep him spaced with arrows and such.
I dunno, I don't play Pit.
I dunno, I don't play Pit.
GOTM
Smash Champion
very true my friend. very true. but your still annoying