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Clai

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If MK gets banned, I don't know what I'm going to do. This game will be a shell of a competitive game and may not even be worth playing, with all the people thinking like scrubs voting for banning him.

This seriously, seriously upsets me.
 

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If MK gets banned, I don't know what I'm going to do. This game will be a shell of a competitive game and may not even be worth playing, with all the people thinking like scrubs voting for banning him.

This seriously, seriously upsets me.
Your worrying about the nature of a competitive game when u main ganon? Also u seriously think everyone who voted yes is a scrub?

Also i love how no one responded to TUSM's post. (Look at the pretty colors!)
 

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If MK gets banned, I don't know what I'm going to do. This game will be a shell of a competitive game and may not even be worth playing, with all the people thinking like scrubs voting for banning him.

This seriously, seriously upsets me.
LOL@ saying who ever votes yes is a scrub.
 

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Lol Chibo in the SBR trying to be a top Pro-Ban debater is hillarous. He makes AWFUL videos and can't give anyone good facts on why this beatable, non bannable character should be banned. Its like a dude trying to get relationship with a girl at a Gentlemen's Club, just don't work.
 

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Your worrying about the nature of a competitive game when u main ganon?

Also i love how no one responded to TUSM's post. (Look at the pretty colors!)
What does maining Ganon have to do with anything? I am far better with him than I could possibly do with any other character. It's not like I'm purposely giving up a chance at being a competitive player for the "cool factor." I'm just really good with Ganon. That's all.

LOL@ saying who ever votes yes is a scrub.
I didn't say that whoever votes yes is a scrub, I said that they have a scrub mentality, as I believe the metagame is just fine with Metaknight and people are overreacting to this presence.

As a bonus, just about every scrub is going to vote yes for MK, which is going to skew the polls quite a bit.
 

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Lol Chibo in the SBR trying to be a top Pro-Ban debater is hillarous. He makes AWFUL videos and can't give anyone good facts on why this beatable, non bannable character should be banned. Its like a dude trying to get relationship with a girl at a Gentlemen's Club, just don't work.
Lol will u stop bashing chibo. There are way more supporters of pro ban then chibo. If mk does end up banned it's not solely because of chibo.
 

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Im not bashing him like I hate him. Hes mad cool and I can chill with him but when he tries to act smart and seem like hes doing a lot for the Pro-Ban and hes making MK look less broken by making dumb videos on youtube, and banning MK in philly is ********. Hes the only one who wants him banned but our area has to deal with him being dumb, so yes I bash him with MK related stuff but Mark is cool.
 

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As a bonus, just about every scrub is going to vote yes for MK, which is going to skew the polls quite a bit.
Not true. There are plenty of inexperienced players who pick up MK just because he's the best character, **** their other mediocre friends with him, and therefore won't want to see him banned. Your mentality is pretty scubby right now, tbh.

@Xzax: You really should stop being so insulting towards Chibo. Saying "lololhe'stryingtoactsmartbuthe'snot" is a little hypocritical when you haven't even made it out of high school yet. Seriously. Calm the **** down.
 

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Im not bashing him like I hate him. Hes mad cool and I can chill with him but when he tries to act smart and seem like hes doing a lot for the Pro-Ban and hes making MK look less broken by making dumb videos on youtube, and banning MK in philly is ********. Hes the only one who wants him banned but our area has to deal with him being dumb, so yes I bash him with MK related stuff but Mark is cool.
But the videos have valid points, and they were done well. Saying something is dumb as your main argument doesn't make you look more intelligent.

I gotta say though, those Meta knight hate photos were pretty lame.
 

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Making it out of high school and debating a character in the game aren't similar at all, when your giving me advice, give me good advice. And Im not insulting him, hes just stupid in the MK debate.
 

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KayLo, from your posts, I think you are my best friend, and I have never even met you.

But yeah I could care less about this whole MK situation. I'll vote for it every time I can just so hopefully a lot of people won't be able to play their favourite character in Brawl and come back to Melee :)

Honestly though, I think the pro-ban essay is a lot more solid than the anti-ban one after skimming through the both of them. The anti-ban side seems to just dig up all the tournament results they can find of MK not placing like top 5 of whatever, where as the pro-ban side actually has some meat to it.

Also, Xzax, I feel you get heated very quickly, and then realize you didn't want to insult anyone after you already did. I doubt you really want to but you should read your posts and think about them before you post them right away, because most likely people will take them the wrong way. If they can be taken as an insult, they will.

Ugh I'm bored at work :ohwell:
 

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Not true. There are plenty of inexperienced players who pick up MK just because he's the best character, **** their other mediocre friends with him, and therefore won't want to see him banned. Your mentality is pretty scubby right now, tbh.
I should have written that better. I really meant "scrubs who lose to Metaknight and refuse to either use him (because of character preference) or look for ways to beat it." Obviously anyone who mains MK, scrub or not, is not going to want to ban it.

As for me being scrubby, all I'm doing is putting things into perspective. How am I thinking like a scrub?
 

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I think you should stop saying people are dumb just because you don't agree with them. You never actually debate with people by laying down straight facts, a lot of the time it just ends with "LOL ur dumb."
 

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Then what do you want me to use to call the man not smart? Not smart?
There are a lot of nouns you could use.

Idiot
Imbecile
Nincompoop
Moron(don't use too often)

Just to name a few. Also, there are other adjectives that can be used as well.

Dense
Senseless
Inane
Mindless

On top of that, taking a positive statement and adding the word "not" in front of it, like you just did, can be just as good.

Not Intelligent
Not Brilliant
Not Wise
Not shrewd

Those are just a few examples of ways to insult someone. they don't have to be dumb, they can be.......whatever, do as you please.
 

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For everyone who has accused me of treating Xzax bad in the past, it's all a misunderstanding considering the last 2 pages is a prime example of how he treats me.

I post videos to YouTube people like, I don't like MetaKnight, and I was good enough to make it into the SBR. Perfect reasons to hate me lol.
 

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Then what do you want me to use to call the man not smart? Not smart?
ignorant, dense, foolish, dull-witted, slow, simpleminded, vacuous, vapid, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, obtuse, doltish, moronic, cretinous, halfwitted, daft.

Its called a thesaurus. They are very useful lol.
 

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Chibo you hated me and took it seriously, I said your and imbecile when it comes to MK, thats all, do I treat you bad, no, when you talk about MK and you don't sound very smart do I like to say and point out that you don't, yes.
 

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ALL THESE VAPID PEOPLE IN HERE!!!!! @_@

if only people could learn to be less cretinous on the boards...

Edit:
and Xzax, how can you say I don't sound very smart. That doesn't sound very smart coming from you of all people -_-
 

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I have never actively brought it up outside of MK debate threads or targeted anyone for what they think on the issue. It's an opinion.
 

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There are a lot of nouns you could use.

Idiot
Imbecile
Nincompoop
Moron(don't use too often)

Just to name a few. Also, there are other adjectives that can be used as well.

Dense
Senseless
Inane
Mindless

On top of that, taking a positive statement and adding the word "not" in front of it, like you just did, can be just as good.

Not Intelligent
Not Brilliant
Not Wise
Not shrewd

Those are just a few examples of ways to insult someone. they don't have to be dumb, they can be.......whatever, do as you please.
lmao. I would rather say dumb over any of that.
 

Xzax Kasrani

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You never have reasonings making people think your smart about the debate, you complain about MK all the time and say the worst possible things to say when speaking of him aka "HES BROKEN" and "THATS SO DUMB" And in all seriousness, we have both treated each other like douches in the past, we have people to prove that, but today I didn't insult you personally or anything, just saying your not smart in the MK debate. And a lot of people think so, M2K, Me, and Vex are just a few.
 

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I should have written that better. I really meant "scrubs who lose to Metaknight and refuse to either use him (because of character preference) or look for ways to beat it." Obviously anyone who mains MK, scrub or not, is not going to want to ban it.

As for me being scrubby, all I'm doing is putting things into perspective. How am I thinking like a scrub?
Well, if that's what you had written, I wouldn't have called your thinking scrubby. :laugh: The way you phrased it, saying all scrubs (a.k.a. inexperienced players, I assume) will auto-vote pro-ban and skew the results, made it sound like you didn't really know what you were talking about.

KayLo, from your posts, I think you are my best friend, and I have never even met you.
Right now things are pretty crazy with my sister getting ready to leave for college, but once we come back from driving her down, I'll be more settled and try to get into Melee.... hopefully we can meet then!

Making it out of high school and debating a character in the game aren't similar at all, when your giving me advice, give me good advice. And Im not insulting him, hes just stupid in the MK debate.
The essay that Chibo and the other SBR pro-ban debaters came up with is ten times more coherent, put-together, and intelligent than any of your insults and anti-ban comments have ever been. In fact, I'mma let Steel take over for a second.....

I think you should stop saying people are dumb just because you don't agree with them. You never actually debate with people by laying down straight facts, a lot of the time it just ends with "LOL ur dumb."
QFT. The "high school" comment I made was because I feel like once you learn a little bit more, you might be more well-equipped to debate properly and not sound like.... well. A 14-year-old.

You never have reasonings making people think your smart about the debate, you complain about MK all the time and say the worst possible things to say when speaking of him aka "HES BROKEN" and "THATS SO DUMB" And in all seriousness, we have both treated each other like douches in the past, we have people to prove that, but today I didn't insult you personally or anything, just saying your not smart in the MK debate. And a lot of people think so, M2K, Me, and Vex are just a few.
Well. Chibo's in the SBR and you're not. Like I said before, the pro-ban essay they put together was very well-written.... I think you just need to grow a little more and stop relying on attacking other people to make your point.
 

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Well, if that's what you had written, I wouldn't have called your thinking scrubby. :laugh: The way you phrased it, saying all scrubs (a.k.a. inexperienced players, I assume) will auto-vote pro-ban and skew the results, made it sound like you didn't really know what you were talking about.
Your asssumption would have been incorrect. For future references, I define a scrub as someone who often loses and blames it on anything OTHER than the way he/she plays and then spends his/her time whining about said reasons instead of putting in the time and effort to work around the problems and finding ways to beat it.

There is nothing wrong with inexperienced players forming opinions, as long as they put reasoning behind their arguments and do a little research to see if their problems are truly something to complain about or things that could be solved. Most scrubs, using the definition I put up previously, do not do these things.

Glad to patch this all up, Kaylo! :)
 

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Your asssumption would have been incorrect. For future references, I define a scrub as someone who often loses and blames it on anything OTHER than the way he/she plays and then spends his/her time whining about said reasons instead of putting in the time and effort to work around the problems and finding ways to beat it.

There is nothing wrong with inexperienced players forming opinions, as long as they put reasoning behind their arguments and do a little research to see if their problems are truly something to complain about or things that could be solved. Most scrubs, using the definition I put up previously, do not do these things.

Glad to patch this all up, Kaylo! :)
In that case, my original opinion still stands (not that I ever really left it, lol). Even if scrubs, by your definition, all vote pro-ban just because they can't work around MK, my point was that there are just as many other players who will vote MK just because they pick him up and **** their other average friends with him despite not having a great amount of skill.... which is what tends to happen at the mid-level metagame.

They represent a different type of scrub: the kind who backs up MK solely because at the relatively low level of competition they're playing at (in, say, a state with very little Brawl presence), they can get away with having less skill because of their character's dominance.

Both types of uninformed opinions will skew the results, but either way, there's nothing we can do about it, lol. Besides, this poll doesn't count for that much, does it? I'm sure they took into consideration the potential ignorance of the general Smash community.....

EDIT: Also, I wasn't trying to come at you or anything, Clai. (Apparently I can come off as a ***** online..... just by being straightforward...... x.x!) Just friendly debating. <3
 

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In that case, my original opinion still stands (not that I ever really left it, lol). Even if scrubs, by your definition, all vote pro-ban just because they can't work around MK, my point was that there are just as many other players who will vote MK just because they pick him up and **** their other average friends with him despite not having a great amount of skill.... which is what tends to happen at the mid-level metagame.

They represent a different type of scrub: the kind who backs up MK solely because at the relatively low level of competition they're playing at (in, say, a state with very little Brawl presence), they can get away with having less skill because of their character's dominance.

Both types of uninformed opinions will skew the results, but either way, there's nothing we can do about it, lol. Besides, this poll doesn't count for that much, does it? I'm sure they took into consideration the potential ignorance of the general Smash community.....

EDIT: Also, I wasn't trying to come at you or anything, Clai. (Apparently I can come off as a ***** online..... just by being straightforward...... x.x!) Just friendly debating. <3
In a state where Metaknight dominates because of lack of Brawl presence, there's not much you can do about it. You either work at getting better yourself (hey, level 9 computers aren't nearly as bad as they were at Melee), or you just have to admit that you can't leap the hurdle to the next level of play. It happens.

As for the people who pick up Metaknight because they can get away with dominating on that level, congratulations, they know how to take advantage of the best character in the game. If the lack of presence prevents players from reaching a high level of the metagame, the best character is always going to dominate, no matter what game it is (unless if it's something really deep like Melee, where the easiest character to pick up =/= the best character. Most fighters [SFIV, for a more recent example],though, follow this). What peeves me the most is how people think that Brawl's situation with Metaknight is drastically different from any other fighting game and its best character to the point where we actually need to ban the best character. It's nuts.

At no point did I think you were coming at me. You force me to explain my words and I respond as such. You're fine. :025:
 

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Most fighters [SFIV, for a more recent example],though, follow this). What peeves me the most is how people think that Brawl's situation with Metaknight is drastically different from any other fighting game and its best character to the point where we actually need to ban the best character. It's nuts.

At no point did I think you were coming at me. You force me to explain my words and I respond as such. You're fine. :025:
Not that i support mk being ban but the level between mk and the rest of the chars is leaps and bound above say sagat and sf4. Not to mention the learning curves. Someone can pick up mk for 1 hr and dominate mid level play. Same cannot be said for any other fighter. There wasn't a single sagat in top 5 at evo.
 

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Does anyone Counter MK?
No. The closest thing is Snake being even(ish?). And some people say ICs, when played perfectly (i.e., no mistakes on the CGs), are also even.

There may be one more even matchup? Pika is 45:55/40:60 MK favor, so that's not so bad.

But no, no one counters him, and he has no bad stages either.
 
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