**Official Titans of Smash (ToS) Crew Thread** We Never Died

[Steel]

lol@ comparing mk ban to sagat in SF4. SF4 is a completely different beast and something that is actually designed for competitive play.

ST and HD Akuma got banned because he was just too good. HD was supposed to reduce his ridiculousness, but people were able to just look at his tools and say "wow, this character is just too ****ing good. We're banning him." They banned him without any tournament evidence at all, it was out of fear.

MK isn't as ridiculous as ST akuma, but HD I dunno.

It feels like sometimes that MK just needed that extra "push" to put him into complete ban worthiness.

His IDC gave him that, but because it's banned there just may not be anything to put him into that realm.

Something that you couldn't ban but was just a part of his integral design, like if he did more overall damage, if his dsmash was completely safe, I don't think we'd even be having this discussion right now. He would've been gone awhile ago.

 

[Clai]

Not that i support mk being ban but the level between mk and the rest of the chars is leaps and bound above say sagat and sf4. Not to mention the learning curves. Someone can pick up mk for 1 hr and dominate mid level play. Same cannot be said for any other fighter.

Metaknight has no bad matchups and can make a number of the cast unviable.
Sagat has no bad matchups and can make a number of the cast unviable.

I don't see any differences in terms of how these two characters are the top of their respective games.

Also, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that MK can dominate mid-level play with only minimal practice. Low-level play, yes, but mid-level play? I think people on this level are way too smart to lose to such simple tactics. Oh, and you can pick up Sagat, practice for an hour, and dominate low-level SFIV play, too.

 

[Steel]

Sagat has a legit flaw. Footsies.

MK is designed with no character flaws. Though you could say Ryu is too, but again you can't compare the two things because since SF is meant for competitive play and there is stuff that puts the wtfhax stuff into balance.

 

[Roxas215]

Doesn't diddy go even on fd? Then again a diddy will never play on fd in tournament.
O and i cosign steel!

Metaknight has no bad matchups and can make a number of the cast unviable.
Sagat has no bad matchups and can make a number of the cast unviable.

I don't see any differences in terms of how these two characters are the top of their respective games.

Also, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that MK can dominate mid-level play with only minimal practice. Low-level play, yes, but mid-level play? I think people on this level are way too smart to lose to such simple tactics. Oh, and you can pick up Sagat, practice for an hour, and dominate low-level SFIV play, too.

Like steel said your comparing the 2 makes no sense as sf4 was actually designed for competitive play. Brawl was not. You can't honestly say the skill level between the 2 is the same. Being that mk ***** the competitive scene as he does is just a show of sloppy programming on sakurai's part(or biased on sakuari's part.)

Also like steel said sagat has a legit flaw. Also the fact that not a single sagat was in top 5 at the biggest sf4 tournament is also saying something.


Sighs why couldn't dissida be the kingdom hearts fighter that it was originally planned to be? But no disney wanted to be b!tches and wouldn't allow donald to b!tchslap goofy. I swear if a kh fighter comes out im quitting every other fighter ever made.

 

[KayLo!]

@Evan: That was the last one I was trying to think of, lol.

But yeah, MK can just ban FD, so it's almost a moot point.

 

[Clai]

Sagat has a legit flaw. Footsies.

MK is designed with no character flaws.

Metaknight is lighter than most characters and can't pressure from afar. Sounds like a weakness to me.

Though you could say Ryu is too, but again you can't compare the two things because since SF is meant for competitive play and there is stuff that puts the wtfhax stuff into balance.

And yet Brawl has tournaments and a rapidly evolving metagame just like SFIV. Sakurai didn't intend to make this game competitive, but we as a community took what Sakurai gave us and made it a competitive game. Therefore, any argument about invalidating comparing this game to others gets thrown out the window, because we are treating this as much of a competitive game as the community of any other fighting game.

Having a lot of MK's place in major tournaments compared to Sagats or other top characters just means that he is a lot more popular than the other characters. That doesn't make him fundamentally broken. Metaknight has been proven to be beatable, and that should be enough to stop this ban frenzy.

 

[DonMagicWand]

alright guys i decided to hook up my brawl online soo hit me up on there
my code is 2879 8077 1740

 

[Dotcom]

*sigh*
Will people realize that attacking others, gets your argument no ****ing where!
it makes you seem more, unrefuteably inept at thinking(add that to the dumb list.), and make people think less of your opinion, of which they most probably think lowly of in the first place.

Sometimes I fell like this thread is a soccer game, and every other page a bunch of you guys just bunch up trying to kick the ball while it gets no where. While the people watching the game ar just shaking their heads and saying, " ****, that looks dumb."

:[

 

[CT Chia]

Despite what .com just said, considering the last few pages, i'm sorry, but I HAD to post this here:

Steel your not that smart cause if you were you wouldn't loose to a Samus at APEX. MK doesn't **** Marth, you and Eazy are stupid.

xzax1337 (2:58:39 PM): if mk camps
xzax1337 (2:58:44 PM): dont run at him
xzax1337 (2:58:48 PM): ok
xzax1337 (2:58:55 PM): and if u wait long enough
xzax1337 (2:59:01 PM): u will find an option
xzax1337 (2:59:05 PM): and abuse mk
xzax1337 (2:59:10 PM): get a percent lead
xzax1337 (2:59:14 PM): force him to approach
xzax1337 (2:59:18 PM): match up just changed
Boutdabux23 (2:59:24 PM): why will u find an option?
Boutdabux23 (2:59:28 PM): the mk is thinking the same thing
Boutdabux23 (2:59:36 PM): why r they automatically the player who ****s up?
xzax1337 (2:59:37 PM): um
xzax1337 (2:59:43 PM): cuz
xzax1337 (2:59:45 PM): if ur camping
xzax1337 (2:59:50 PM): hes camping
xzax1337 (2:59:56 PM): and forcing u to approach
xzax1337 (3:00:13 PM): and ur both "top/smart" players
xzax1337 (3:00:17 PM): u will hit him
Boutdabux23 (3:00:27 PM): and he will hit u...
xzax1337 (3:00:31 PM): u will find away
xzax1337 (3:00:32 PM): ok
xzax1337 (3:00:35 PM): hes dair camping
xzax1337 (3:00:40 PM): lets say that
xzax1337 (3:00:51 PM): u will find out a way to stop him from doing it
Boutdabux23 (3:00:58 PM): see what ur saying?
Boutdabux23 (3:01:02 PM): ur not giving me anything but
Boutdabux23 (3:01:04 PM): u will find away
Boutdabux23 (3:01:16 PM): that completely contradicts the strat
Boutdabux23 (3:01:17 PM): as effective
xzax1337 (3:01:18 PM): i dont know everything about marth
xzax1337 (3:11:08 PM): ill admit idk marth
xzax1337 (3:02:27 PM): or anything about him
xzax1337 (3:11:08 PM): at all

LOL, calling other people stupid for talking about a matchup being bad when you don't know **** about one of the characters in the matchup. MK ***** Marth mercilessly. Go be 12 somewhere else.

 

[blakinola]

Metaknight is lighter than most characters and can't pressure from afar. Sounds like a weakness to me.



And yet Brawl has tournaments and a rapidly evolving metagame just like SFIV. Sakurai didn't intend to make this game competitive, but we as a community took what Sakurai gave us and made it a competitive game. Therefore, any argument about invalidating comparing this game to others gets thrown out the window, because we are treating this as much of a competitive game as the community of any other fighting game.

Having a lot of MK's place in major tournaments compared to Sagats or other top characters just means that he is a lot more popular than the other characters. That doesn't make him fundamentally broken. Metaknight has been proven to be beatable, and that should be enough to stop this ban frenzy.

IMO, this community's first mistake was turning a party game into what this is now. Imagine if mario party was like this.

1v1 no items, no magic lamps, no bonus stars.

THE WHEEL OF FATE IS TURNING

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

IMO, this community's first mistake was turning a party game into what this is now. Imagine if mario party was like this.

1v1 no items, no magic lamps, no bonus stars.

THE WHEEL OF FATE IS TURNING

The great AK has spoken. Let us all heed his words of wisdom and shall we ever continue our quest for ultimate zen.

That Mario Party idea......that's not bad, actually, I mean, from a competitive standpoint, it's legit.....looking. If competitive Mario Party ever took off, that should be the initial SBR ruleset.

 

[Bnzaaa]

I'm going to Saffron City this weekend. But I'm not sure if I want to go to another tournament this month. So I'm trying to decide on whether I should:

A: Go to No Maps.

B: Wait until Bum's venue is confirmed.

C: Wait until I get back to Philly.

It seems I won't be making any PA tournaments. I move in the day before Viridian City so I know I won't be making that. The weekend of the 15th and the 22nd, I'll be away. I haven't been to a tournament in a while, but I'm definitely not in a position to go to tournaments every weekend either.

Also my hand got lit on fire, but they said it should heal quickly.

EDIT- @Ultimodragon- The Bounus Stars at the end aren't completely random, as you have to complete a certain task to do so (Most Coins, Most coin won through Minigames, Most '?' spaces landed on.) Keeping things like that in mind could lead to betrayal in 2 vs. 2 or 1 vs. 3 minigames if you know that a teammate for that turn will end up ahead in coins. Or reaching a split in the path and choosimg between a '?' space and something else if you have a shot at the Happening Star (my Mario Party strat.) On the other hand, Bonus Stars being on leaves Random Blocks on too (Random Items, 20 Coins, or a Star,) and those are definitely random .

They can also regulate which minigames should be allowed (all easy, or all.) Or they could just use the story mode rules...

 

[Clai]

IMO, this community's first mistake was turning a party game into what this is now. Imagine if mario party was like this.

1v1 no items, no magic lamps, no bonus stars.

THE WHEEL OF FATE IS TURNING

Mario Party doesn't have a character nearly as manly as Ganondorf. +Mario Party is boring. Smash Brothers is competitive because it's a lot more fun this way (in my opinion).

^^ Sorry to hear about your hand being on fire, Bnzaaa. I had a second-degree burn on my hand once and it was pretty bad, but I wouldn't know what actually being on fire is like. Hope it heals without complications.

 

[blakinola]

@bnzaaa:
Awesome: You had a flaming hand.
Not so Awesome: You had a flaming hand.

I would much rather be down for some 4p mario party. I will wreck everyone's **** at Mario Party 2. Everyone is the same, there are no tiers.

It comes down to the dice rolls, *****s.

 

[Roxas215]

wtf? There are tiers in the later mario parties?

 

[Bnzaaa]

I have Mario Party 2, but only 2 controllers.

Dice roll and the minigames that pop up make the game feel random I think.

@Evan- I've only played up to Mario Party 5, but the 4-player modes are balanced. Mario Party's Duel Mode and Mario Party 5's tank game may have tiers...

The power of the Falcon Punch was invested in me, for a short time. However, it was too powerful and epic to control. As I turned around to stop the attack, the flame got larger, setting forth a Reverse Falcon Punch. I could not go through with it, for my true manliness would be revealed. I swiftly doused my fiery clenched fist, to keep my true identity hidden and save the world from certain destruction...

More or less what went through my mind as this was happening...in words. Though it was more of an image when it actually happened.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

@bnzaaa:
Awesome: You had a flaming hand.
Not so Awesome: You had a flaming hand.

I would much rather be down for some 4p mario party. I will wreck everyone's **** at Mario Party 2. Everyone is the same, there are no tiers.

It comes down to the dice rolls, *****s.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I mained MP2 back in the day. There isn't a minigame I haven't perfected, except Slot Car Derby, I can stand that game. MPMM? 35 turns on Space World, any CPU's on hard, $2, let's goez.

 

[Bnzaaa]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I mained MP2 back in the day. There isn't a minigame I haven't perfected, except Slot Car Derby, I can stand that game. MPMM? 35 turns on Space World, any CPU's on hard, $2, let's goez.

I take that/join that, but 3-For-All's aren't my cup of tea...

I think a CPU set my game record for Slot Car Derby (1st Course.) They also set it in Marathon-Mecha (I'm not great at button mashing minigames.)

 

[Dr.Flizz]

Man.....only if the wii super fan was here...he would end all this bickering with "go online" and a "halo 2" which by the way. He still wins at all the time..

 

[CT Chia]

Man.....only if the wii super fan was here...he would end all this bickering with "go online" and a "halo 2" which by the way. He still wins at all the time..

this is now one of my most favorite posts on SWF

 

[Clai]

The power of the Falcon Punch was invested in me, for a short time. However, it was too powerful and epic to control. As I turned around to stop the attack, the flame got larger, setting forth a Reverse Falcon Punch. I could not go through with it, for my true manliness would be revealed. I swiftly doused my fiery clenched fist, to keep my true identity hidden and save the world from certain destruction...

More or less what went through my mind as this was happening...in words. Though it was more of an image when it actually happened.

YEAHUS!

It's even more amazing in words.

 

[Roxas215]

Wait so people actually play mario party? the hell?

What ever happened to a good old game of monopoly! Monopoly mm's get at me!!

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

Evan, mm me in poker, get ***** (:

 

[CT Chia]

Evan, mm me in poker, get ***** (:

I can't even begin to comprehend the sheer amount of fail in these seven or eight words you said

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

No ask him how good I am, 7 straights in a row, ftw?

 

[Roxas215]

lol yea chibo xzax is legit in poker.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Everybody that has voted to ban metaknight I consider a weak player, and have lost some respect for them. GOTM, stop voting if you don't play the game :/ voting ban because Chibo asks you to isn't cool. FYI, smash64 Pikachu is more broken then brawl Metaknight.

 

[Roxas215]

[B FYI, smash64 Pikachu is more broken then brawl Metaknight.[/B]

But not as broken as mewtwo in r/b/y lol

 

[CT Chia]

Xzax and Poker:
-You are not legit in Poker if you get 7 straights in a row: it's luck
-No offense to him but I can't take a 14 year old seriously in Poker
-"MONEY MATCHING" in Poker is a concept that completely blows my mind since it's already a game based on gambling
-He used (: as a smiley face, not colon parentheses
-Xzax does not have the money nor experience to deem him good in Poker

Vex and MetaKnight
-I'm surprised your letting an issue like this effect your respect of players.
-I did not tell GOTM to vote ban on MetaKnight. Melee players can have opinions as well.
-You should be entitled to your opinion and let us be entitled to ours. Remember that by loosing your respect for myself and GOTM because of this vote you're also loosing respect for Steel2nd, Ak, Evan, Smurf, .com, Cactuar, NinjaLink, Reflex, Yes, and plenty more players that you personally know that all voted pro-ban.
-You've done far worse things for anyone to lose respect towards you.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

Alright well Im done with all this arguing, its really annoying how I was saying your logic for him being banned was awful and now everything is changing. Its stupid imo. Just lets stop and re-start. Hi im Xzax im 14, and if you make fun of my age I might aswell have to kick you in the nuts (:

 

[Dr.Flizz]

Yeah I decied not to flashkart games....I just read this article on how the game companys are slowly but surely gonna fail.......

Kinda makes me sad.....

So I decied not to put my hand in that jar of cookies.....I wanna keep capcom, bethesda and all the other ones ahead of the game. (No pun intended)

My anti-drug......buy the real version of games.

(the wiisuperfan would approve)

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

Anyone wanna do a friendly $1 MM v.s my wolf?

 

[Dr.Flizz]

Anyone wanna do a friendly $1 MM v.s my wolf?

Lolz xzax you like change chars, with every avitar change.....

But while we are on the talk of money matches

Yu-gi-oh Stardust acclerater-5$

Megaman star force (any one)
-5$

I declare war-2$

Real life moon walking-3$

Lets go!

 

[CT Chia]

Real life moon walking-3$

Challenge accepted lol

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

Challenge accepted lol

Can I get a Youtube upload?

 

[KayLo!]

Can I get a Youtube upload?

I've seen some of Chibo's moves.... ummm. I don't think you wanna go there.

Found it.

 

[The Phazon Assassin]

I've seen some of Chibo's moves.... ummm. I don't think you wanna go there.

Found it.

You have won 17 splookens.

 

[GOTM]

Xzax, your not legit in poker and I will tell you why. I used to think I, as well as my other friends, who played every single week since we were like 17, were legit in poker.

When I was 17 me and 3 friends, every week did $40 tournaments. 2nd got money back and winner took the rest. Sometimes we would have more than 4 but mainly four. Then we found some guys place to play cash games at. They were $20 to play, and you could buy back in for at least $10 if you went out. Pots were on average $400, sometimes more.

We did this for about 3 years straight. None of us are legit in poker. Why? Some of the best players started to go to casinos and get ***** after that, after a lot of us went to college and stuff and lost the people they played with. You might be legit with your friends, who probably also suck, but not in general. Good players play in casinos, all the time. No matter what, if your good, that's where you win the most money. No poker player is legit unless they have proven themselves in a casino.

 

[CT Chia]

And if you got 7 straights in a row at a casino you would have the living **** beat outta' you lol

 

[GOTM]

And if you got 7 straights in a row at a casino you would have the living **** beat outta' you lol

lol thats kinda true. you'd at least take some heat and probably get ridiculed until you went to another table, lol