Official Texas Power Rankings! - Updated June 15, 2012

[gunterrsmash01]

The thing is if you go to losers bracket early, sure you will have to play a lot but most of the sets you play wont be super high seeds. In your case it seems that there were some upsets early or just a really stacked tourny. In any case, im not saying ADHD shouldve got less than you im just saying that you shouldnt be penalized for staying mostly in losers bracket while adhd is reaping up double the amount of points just by staying in winners. It should be even.

with the current system, If i beat gnes in LF i will get less points then if i beat him in ANY (normal,semis,wf,gf) winners bracket match.

 

[z00ted]

You should get 3/4s of the amount of points in losers.

 

[UltimateRazer]

Check this though. To get even points, like I said, if someone plays 7 matches in winners....lets say they get 35 points with each person worth 5 points. If someone is in losers and they play 14 matches, they can get 35 points still but each person would be worth 2.5 points.

You are not being penalized for mostly being in losers. You are getting the same amount of points in the make up of more tournament sets.

Lets say I was D tier. I could take advantage of a system where losers is worth equal amount of points per set as winners by just forfeiting round 1 of winners and playing double the matches of the person who makes it to WFs. Boom, I have just gained around double their points.

You play more matches in losers, you get less points than you would in winners, because you play less matches there too.

 

[Tesh]

This is why it is less in losers than winners. I'm taking REAL results for my example.

HOBO 21, the one where AD/HD came down to. He never dropped a set thus playing a total of 7 sets.
This was my bracket:

Winners' bracket
Bye
Defeated Andilex
Lost to Espy

Losers' bracket
Defeated CY
Defeated Lee Martin
Defeated Bassem
Defeated Roy R
Defeated Fliphop
Defeated Dojo
Defeated Gnes
Lost to AD/HD

I lost Round 3 in winners bracket. I played a total of 12 sets! That is almost double than what AD/HD played. If I had lost round 1 (if I played someone in that round) or round 2, I would of had to play 14+ sets. I also beat harder people than AD/HD at the tournament. So it would be in no way fair to the person who won the tournament without dropping a set and defeating me to gain LESS points than me for losing early and playing almost double the amount of sets he did.

That is why losers is worth less than winners. Am I right Zac?

But, you don't get point because you won the tournament, you get points for beating people. If you play and beat more people, you should get the points from each person you beat. Assuming the PR is accurate, beating people in Winner's bracket will count for more per set because they are better. People in loser's bracket will be worse and be worth less points. Even though AD/HD won the tournament, you still did beat all of those people. Why should that be different just because of where you beat them?

Points aren't a prize for tournament placement (imo). The only reason anyone would drop into loser's on purpose is if they massively outskill everyone at the tournament and know they can win LF, GF1, GF2 for sure (in which case they will lose alot of points for dropping the set to someone bad in WR1).

 

[gunterrsmash01]

Check this though. To get even points, like I said, if someone plays 7 matches in winners....lets say they get 35 points with each person worth 5 points. If someone is in losers and they play 14 matches, they can get 35 points still but each person would be worth 2.5 points.

This makes sense, but our current system doesn't treat each player as 5 points.
Every player has a different value..
If i beat 3 players in winners bracket, I WILL get roughly the same amount of points for beating 6 people in losers. Not because the losers bracket half point rule thing. But because those 3 people in winners were probably super high ranked, and those 6 people were a mix of low skill to mid level players. It all evens out in the end anyways, without the need to give losers matches half the points.

 

[UltimateRazer]

But, you don't get point because you won the tournament, you get points for beating people. If you play and beat more people, you should get the points from each person you beat. Assuming the PR is accurate, beating people in Winner's bracket will count for more per set because they are better. People in loser's bracket will be worse and be worth less points. Even though AD/HD won the tournament, you still did beat all of those people. Why should that be different just because of where you beat them?

Points aren't a prize for tournament placement (imo). The only reason anyone would drop into loser's on purpose is if they massively outskill everyone at the tournament and know they can win LF, GF1, GF2 for sure (in which case they will lose alot of points for dropping the set to someone bad in WR1).

Check this though. To get even points, like I said, if someone plays 7 matches in winners....lets say they get 35 points with each person worth 5 points. If someone is in losers and they play 14 matches, they can get 35 points still but each person would be worth 2.5 points.

You are not being penalized for mostly being in losers. You are getting the same amount of points in the make up of more tournament sets.

Lets say I was D tier. I could take advantage of a system where losers is worth equal amount of points per set as winners by just forfeiting round 1 of winners and playing double the matches of the person who makes it to WFs. Boom, I have just gained around double their points.

You play more matches in losers, you get less points than you would in winners, because you play less matches there too.

There you go. Plus it wouldn't accurately reflect the PR...the person who plays the most sets because they are in losers gets more points than the ones still in winners?

@Ozz, yeah all this point value stuff is what Zac knows. I don't lol

 

[Xyro77]

This isn't a good requirement to go by. An event with 10 players and 6 of them are in our top 10, then it should be a normal K value size.

Just saying.

dont gimmi that crap. YOU were the one who put it in the program. afterall, when i got the program you had already had about 6 events in the "small tourney=half points" section. im just following your lead.

wtf when did we start that? That's kind of ****ty, yo =/

I'm sorry, but me taking a set off of Denti should count the same whether it's an 8 man bracket or a 50 man bracket.

The only way to fix it is to treat 8 man events as 80 man events and imo thats wrong. Also, another reason why this was set up because SA had and now dallas has 3 events a month at its basically farming points...imo thats wrong.

Also, since 8 man events being treated as 80 man is the only way to fix this(that i know of) im gonna brb and win about 15 or so 8 man gamestop events and make it to A tier. Now tell me if THAT is fair?

Also systems have flaws but this one is by far the best one we have ever had.

Can't wait till I can rock that retired swag after Apex

yea right. u wont quit.

 

[Xyro77]

Infinity, i just went into the program and made all 33 "small" events count as big events and here are the changes.




NOTE: This is only A tier




Vinnie - 1990.09 / /
Denti - 1976.87
K Prime - 1954.44
Espy - 1945.22
UTDZac - 1937.13 (Retired)
Jerm - 1876.56 (Retired)
Illmatic - 1856.08
Shlike - 1848.74
Dphat - 1841.22
Dakpo - 1830.40 /
Magik - 1827.96 /
Poltergust - 1822.64
MegaFox - 1820.53 /
Infinity - 1816.36 /




Infinity, you climbed 9 points but 0 spots.
Dakpo climbed 24 points and 4 spots(passing you[infinity] up by 3 spots). Oh and dakpo came from B tier too.


He got the MASSIVE jump in points/spots because 4 of his events USED to be counted as small but now they are counted as big. This proves any JoeBobCornOnThaCob can farm points from small events and thats why this "small tournament" system was created. lol how can you honestly justify this? LOL i cant and i wont.



EDIT: Dakpo, im not trying insulting you. Im just trying to show people that any player can take a massive jump in points if they win lots of small events.

 

[Reizilla]

Looks about right to me. Where is the "small event" cutoff?

 

[pwiito]

That c tier swag, uhm tasty. I'm prob going retire after apex too, or maybe just attend regionals and nationals where mk is not banned .

 

[Xyro77]

Looks about right to me. Where is the "small event" cutoff?

No it doesnt look right. There is no reason why a person win several SMALL events and pass up players like infinity who is CLEARLY superior and can CLEARLY beat better people. Its proves that if you hold enough small events u can pass up MULTIPLE players who place better than you at REAL events.

The cut off is like 18 but if 90% of the event is newbs and its 25 people or so ill treat it as small too. Thats pretty much the condition Zac set up in the program: tons of noobs=treat as small

That c tier swag, uhm tasty. I'm prob going retire after apex too, or maybe just attend regionals and nationals where mk is not banned .

LOL you are a brawl gen player and an late on at that. Why would you quit? You just barely started.


also, u will reach B tier if u go to the event this weekend.

 

[Reizilla]

So if I beat Gnes at an 18-man tourney, I'll get half as many points as if I beat him at a 19-man tourney?

 

[Xyro77]

So if I beat Gnes at an 18-man tourney, I'll get half as many points as if I beat him at a 19-man tourney?

nope.

did u read my post?

 

[UTDZac]

I believe I made a few posts before, with images of example brackets in fact, on why I chose to have loser's give out less points than winners. Long story short when I first wrote the program I tested the data; I checked numbers to see if they looked right. Before the change to loser bracket matches, certain people were escalated to top 10 when they shouldn't have been. So I adjusted the point exchanged for losers to account for that (seemed logical with twice as many loser bracket sets as winners). Afterwards, the numbers looked fine.

Now, we have a lot more data. I can see where and why you think losers counting for half isn't "fair" or makes any sense what-so-ever. I would like to investigate the issue. To do this, I'd like Xyro to send me his settings.config and a .zip of all of his tio files (shouldn't be that large). You can upload to some site and have me download if you want.

EDIT: Related post: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13136253#post13136253

 

[pwiito]

Idk, I dont think I'll ever completely quit smash in general until I reach a reasonable age, Ima try doing some other competitive games, I don't get the same hype in locals than in nationals/some large regionals. Tho going to locals is what improves my game since that's pretty much the only time I play

 

[AeroLink_the_SoulMaster]

B Tier. Cool. Not stopping there. And thanks to everyone for the congratulations.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Hey I'm not on it
I've been to both da tournies laber has.
Phase X, batous.






Probably cause my puff so flashy.

 

[Labernash]

Your Puff ain't flashy; it's garbage.

Congrats to ALSM.

I'm just happy to be on it! Now, to get out of F Tier!

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

if i could make more events i would be out of etier but sadly im pretty sure the next tournament ill be able to attend is the austin championships. i swear if i don't place 13th or better at the championships im probably gonna quit brawl. i have no excuse to still be lumped in with etier except that i can only make it to the occasional circuit event

 

[Sync.]

I'm sad now...

 

[Xyro77]

Ive been informed that vinnie will NOT be moving to tx so on the next update he will not appear.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Oh noooooesss!

That's sad.
Vinnie so good.

 

[Espy Rose]

Oh well.
Sucks.

 

[Vinnie]

Medical johns. Sighhhhhhhhh

 

[Reizilla]

Texas too good.

 

[Triforce Of Chozo]

I was in F-tier one time, and then I was like "lol not from TX" and now I'm not in F-tier anymore

Keep climbing ALSM, you got this.

 

[Nike.]

I was in mid f-tier when this started.

 

[Leaf.]

Medical johns. Sighhhhhhhhh

No way.

VINNIIIIIIIIIIIIIE!

 

[Zano]

I was in mid f-tier when this started.

Well, I guess I'm off to a better start then

 

[Sync.]

Vinnie </3

 

[Paw]

i was in f tier once.....for like 8 months.

 

[Reizilla]

You'll always be 2nd worst in Texas in my <3

 

[Sinister Slush]

I think I was in F-tier until just... around april or May I started to crypt out of F-tier and crawl to the top of E-tier.

 

[Sky Pirate]

• YOU GOT THIS, LEAF!
• Slush passed PantyRaider? Scary, scary.
• Do more work, PR! You should be like... B-tier at least.
• Sky Pirate - 1693.33
  Paw - 1680.92
  
  GYAHAHAHA!
  CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, PAW!
• It was nice meeting you, Vinnie.

Sky pirate =/= skypirate?

Nah, they're both me.
I like to have a large chunk of Texas surrounded at all times, just in case there's a rebellion.

 

[pwiito]

lol what, I should've chosen socal over texas shm

 

[Dakpo]

Infinity, i just went into the program and made all 33 "small" events count as big events and here are the changes.




NOTE: This is only A tier




Vinnie - 1990.09 / /
Denti - 1976.87
K Prime - 1954.44
Espy - 1945.22
UTDZac - 1937.13 (Retired)
Jerm - 1876.56 (Retired)
Illmatic - 1856.08
Shlike - 1848.74
Dphat - 1841.22
Dakpo - 1830.40 /
Magik - 1827.96 /
Poltergust - 1822.64
MegaFox - 1820.53 /
Infinity - 1816.36 /




Infinity, you climbed 9 points but 0 spots.
Dakpo climbed 24 points and 4 spots(passing you[infinity] up by 3 spots). Oh and dakpo came from B tier too.


He got the MASSIVE jump in points/spots because 4 of his events USED to be counted as small but now they are counted as big. This proves any JoeBobCornOnThaCob can farm points from small events and thats why this "small tournament" system was created. lol how can you honestly justify this? LOL i cant and i wont.



EDIT: Dakpo, im not trying insulting you. Im just trying to show people that any player can take a massive jump in points if they win lots of small events.

BWAHAHAHA thats awesome
Besides infinity being at the bottom, My placing looks a lot more accurate >__>
Otherwise it looks like the 806 NEEDS to start acting like SA and throw 2 tourneys a week so i can actually stand a chance in the PR against anyone near my skill level.
Also, if we were to throw a free tourney with 50 entry's and give out a cash prize to 1st 2nd and 3rd (like 25 bucks) what does it count as? Big or small tourney ?

NOT TO MENTION (yea i totally mentioned it): This completely bones any of the people in my region from getting ANY points at all. we Honestly have some B tier and lower players here

 

[Bɪɢ Bоѕѕ]

Otherwise it looks like the 806 NEEDS to start acting like SA and throw 2 tourneys a week so i can actually stand a chance in the PR against anyone near my skill level.

still don't know why everyone thinks we have this many tourneys. houston has hobos and sync's sex saloons both in 1 month, and dwf has revolution, phase, and batou's monthlies.

 

[Paw]

we dont have tournaments anymore....ever.

 

[UTDZac]

Is that because you guys don't have a TO or school has started or people are too addicted to LoL?

 

[Espy Rose]

Zac, you'd understand my plight if you were unable to play LoL 5 days out of the week.