Funkmasterblitz
Smash Cadet
But you gotta admit that chain grab can turn the tides of the matchup if IC's are losing.aaaAAAaaa
I hope you guys here aren't comparing IC's to MK again -_^b
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Official SWF Tier List v8
- Thread starter Marc
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Hey Dekillsage,Mr.Sonic main you don't know what its like to play snake and have to navigate rainbow. I can't get anywhere fast enough!!!!
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I hope you guys here aren't comparing IC's to MK again -_^b
What I meant to say was it's to bad that the IC's cheap zero death chain grab isnt banned ALONG with Meta Knight, ofc, it'd probably be more doubtful for the grab to get banned than Meta Knight himself. Sorry if I confused you. Heheh
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
so can 0% shuttle loop
BlueXenon
Smash Lord
Metaknight can kill Ike with a 0% shuttle loop.
Funkmasterblitz
Smash Cadet
Mk can kill anyone with 0% shuttle loop.
Yeah it can, and the grab is a great aspect of IC. I frown upon though how people can overuse the IC zero death grab and it isn't even limited. Adding with their camping game, avoiding this trap and approaching them has to be MUCH more difficult.
I assume you'd have to be equally cautious with an IC Player as a MK player, because of their amazing potential.
Funkmasterblitz
Smash Cadet
Mk is actually one of the few who can easily separate IC's, meaning having an advantage on them.
lol @ all these people complaining about ICs
They're not even top 5 imo
The REAL Tier list:
1. Mewtwo (he was so broken during development that they removed him the game, it was the only way to balance him)
2. Jigglypuff (nobody can use her correctly and it makes me sad
)
3. Captain Falcon (same as Puff)
4. MK
5. Diddy Kong
6. ICs
They're not even top 5 imo
The REAL Tier list:
1. Mewtwo (he was so broken during development that they removed him the game, it was the only way to balance him)
2. Jigglypuff (nobody can use her correctly and it makes me sad
)3. Captain Falcon (same as Puff)
4. MK
5. Diddy Kong
6. ICs
Funkmasterblitz
Smash Cadet
No this is the real tier list:lol @ all these people complaining about ICs
They're not even top 5 imo
The REAL Tier list:
1. Mewtwo (he was so broken during development that they removed him the game, it was the only way to balance him)
2. Jigglypuff (nobody can use her correctly and it makes me sad
3. Captain Falcon (same as Puff)
4. MK
5. Diddy Kong
6. ICs
1. Captain Falcon
2. Mk
3. Everyone else
4. Rick Wheeler(crappy brawl falcon)
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Thanks for your insight, xMew2SmAsHfAnX97lol @ all these people complaining about ICs
They're not even top 5 imo
The REAL Tier list:
1. Mewtwo (he was so broken during development that they removed him the game, it was the only way to balance him)
2. Jigglypuff (nobody can use her correctly and it makes me sad
3. Captain Falcon (same as Puff)
4. MK
5. Diddy Kong
6. ICs
wow u n00b how cud u get my name rong liek tht
it's XxShInY_MeW_2_SmAsHfAn_1996xX, get it rite nxt time
Funkmasterblitz,
I can see why you think that, and I really am with you there
, this must partly be why they hit #2 in the tier list, as other characters have a hard time countering, and separating them.Although, in my opinion, i still think it is possible with other characters to counteract IC, it's just there are much less options, characters other than MK, actually have. MK being flawless, he has fast movement, unpredictability if used correctly, some moves unpunishable, or difficult to punish, like mach tornado.
BlueXenon
Smash Lord
There are a lot of characters that mk can't kill with a 0% shuttle loop. Like kirby, mk, rob, pit, pikachu, zss, wario, game and watch, sonic, samus, and jigglypuff.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
HE IS AT MY TOURNEYS. =p
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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ICs have definitive losing MUs even with the CG. They are kind of like an upgraded DDD. If your character has the tools to fight them (MK, Snake, Diddy, Marth, ZSS, Wario, TL, Wolf, Rob, Peach, Ike, Bowser) you go even or slightly better. If you don't play those characters you get pooped on.
| Big D |
Smash Master
Bowser though
Edit: Thank you.
Edit: Thank you.
FredFuchs
Smash Apprentice
mk is not flawless. he has grab release problems, light weight, and a low airspeed making him reliant on gliding for aerial mobilityFunkmasterblitz,
I can see why you think that, and I really am with you there
Although, in my opinion, i still think it is possible with other characters to counteract IC, it's just there are much less options, characters other than MK, actually have. MK being flawless, he has fast movement, unpredictability if used correctly, some moves unpunishable, or difficult to punish, like mach tornado.
bowser? i thought he had a nearly unwinnable mu against ics
Sonic.
Dekillsage
Smash Lord
Shuttle loop is the only aerial mobility you'd ever need
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
lux keeps saying that bowser goes even with the ics, and im going to keep saying hes full of crap until I get video proof.
Djent
Smash Champion
Doesn't Pika have a pretty good ICs matchup too? (I think he still loses, but relatively speaking.)
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Actually, the burden of proof is on you since you're the one going against the status quo.
RaptorTEC
Smash Champion
Lux is trolling you guys =.=
Dekillsage
Smash Lord
Bowser probably has some decent tools in the match up. I wouldn't say its very good at all though.
Not really no. Maybe with infinite timer
Supermodel From Paris
Smash Hero
Bowser going even with the ICs is a very old ICs forum troll AFAIK.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I actually think it started in the Bowser forum in a conversation with the ICs players on the MU, but nevertheless, yeah, it was indeed a troll lol. Just look at the MU chart thread, it shows the actual MU correctly there (spoiler: its -4 for Bowser): http://smashboards.com/threads/official-swf-matchup-chart-v2-0.316173/
FredFuchs
Smash Apprentice
anyone know how the story went? i'm kinda curious.
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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Not sure what you mean by troll, even the IC panel for the MU Chart was split on whether the MU against Bowser was even or not when it came to voting.
Only reason it didn't move on was we were limited in number of changes we could suggest
TLDR - Whirling Fortress, Flame Breath
Only reason it didn't move on was we were limited in number of changes we could suggest
TLDR - Whirling Fortress, Flame Breath
FredFuchs
Smash Apprentice
were the differences in opinions in the ics pannel that drastic because -4 and 0 is quite the difference. however, if by any chance lux isn't being serious, disregard this entire post.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I would look for it, but I dont know how to search threads for specific posts anymore in this new forum lol.
Vinnie
Smash Master
Lol are you joking?
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Kind of like how 2 NY/NJ players were in Grand Finals at Apex while the Japanese players didnt get to Grand Finals? Now Im not straight up saying NY/NJ > Japan, but saying they arent comparable is laughable.
Dekillsage
Smash Lord
The only time Japan was "better" was at apex 2012, and even then it wasn't by much.(It was mostly nietono)
As of now Ny/Nj alone is as good if not better than Japan.
As of now Ny/Nj alone is as good if not better than Japan.
And the year before it was two Japanese players in Grand Finals, what's your point?
I don't actually care about your answer, just wanted to point out the flaw in your argument.
Vinnie
Smash Master
I'm not sure if you're trolling or not. NY/NJ and Japan are clearly even in skill level. What makes you say that Japan > NY/NJ?
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
My argument is that NY/NJ and Japan are comparable... lol...
Apex 2012 - Japan Top 2
Apex 2013 - NY/NJ Top 2
How is there any flaw in that, especially when the 2013 results are more current...
| Big D |
Smash Master
I think he's been drinking too much bag milk.
I actually haven't had any milk for months lol