Official SWF Tier List v8

[Ghostbone]

Puff can time ICs out
Puff obviously beats ICs.

 

[PKBeam]

Puff can time ICs out
Puff obviously beats ICs.

puff beats ICs... if she times them out.
Ganon doesn't really beat puff w/o it, timeout tilts the MU into jiggs' favour

 

[Ghirahilda]

I think we need to work on 2 tier lists
One for 1vs1 matches and another for free-for-all, since it's for these two that Sakurai tries to get the right balance

 

[Seagull Joe]

What factors go into that exactly? Ideally, I believe that a character's ability to keep characters "out" or to force them into situations which they cannot respond well too should be valued more highly than other traits such as ability to get KOs or how far from the stage they can recover. Olimar can pretty much block most characters in this game despite not having the greatest recovery or knockback resistance.

I see Jiggs having more favorable match-ups since she could have a playstyle that is hard to combat for some lower tier'd characters with not the best tools and traits. But, as humans we make mistakes and things such as not being able to comeback from a lot of hits (jiggs) means you have to make fewer mistakes with her to succeed even if you have the winning strategy and that plays apart in one's success. Ultimately, that probably why jiggs must stay near the bottom of the barrel.

She can't approach, kill reliably, has relatively few safe moves on block, and dies hella early. She sucks.

 

[1PokeMastr]

Just do nothing, stand still and wait for Jiggs.
She's super easy to punish.

Jufflypugg is bad, but not as bad as Fox.

 

[PKBeam]

I think we need to work on 2 tier lists
One for 1vs1 matches and another for free-for-all, since it's for these two that Sakurai tries to get the right balance

FFA Tier List
TOP TIER
S++:
usmash ftw

Just do nothing, stand still and wait for Jiggs.

what if jiggypuf has TEH STOCK LEAD

 

[Ghostbone]

She can't approach

lol

(can't) kill reliably

lol

has relatively few safe moves on block

lol

and dies hella early

well yea

She sucks

Everyone named Marth or below ZSS sucks.

Also I'm disliking how quotes now use my text colour.

 

[infiniteV115]

Ok well even when only looking at the chars below ZSS, Jiggs sucks ass.

 

[PKBeam]

Ok well even when only looking at the chars below ZSS, Falcon, Jiggs sucks *** is not that bad.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Ok well even when only looking at the chars below ZSS, Jiggs sucks ***.

:O I never thought I would hear such blasphemy from a Torontonian

 

[1PokeMastr]

He only hates Jigglypuff because he loses to her, and other low tiers.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

He only hates Jigglypuff because he loses to her, and other low tiers.

oh rite tru

 

[PKBeam]

He only hates Jigglypuff because he loses to her, and other low tiers.

main, but too embarrassed to show everyone?

 

[thrillagorilla]

main, but too embarrassed to show everyone?

No one mains and is too embarrassed to show everyone.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

░░░░░███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ......... Bob is building an army.
▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂ ......... ☻/ This tank & Bob are against Google+
Il███████████████████]..... /▌ . Copy and Paste this all over
◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤........ / \ . SWF if you are with us

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

░░░░░███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ......... Bob is building an army.
▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂ ......... ☻/ This tank & Bob are against Google+
Il███████████████████]..... /▌ . Copy and Paste this all over
◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤........ / \ . SWF if you are with us

I don't get it. How is spamming that all over SWF going to help the fight against Google+?

Shouldn't you post it around websites that are actually owned by google? I don't think your current strategy is going to help Bob win his war tbh

 

[Sunnysunny]

No one mains and is too embarrassed to show everyone.

Damn straight.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Yeah, the whole point of maining a low tier is to draw attention to yourself.

 

[PKBeam]

Yeah, the whole point of maining a low tier is to draw attention to yourself.

what if you main a low tier because you like that character?
and why are all the iconic characters in low?

 

[Man Li Gi]

what if you main a low tier because you like that character?
and why are all the iconic characters in low?

Cuz Sakurai wants people to pay attention to the "lesser" known characters.

 

[MeekSpeedy]

sonic is ****in amazing n*gg*rs

 

[Seagull Joe]

sonic is ****in amazing n*gg*rs

He's super free to me.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Seagull vs Meek MM at Apex?

 

[GTZ]

what if you main a low tier because you like that character?
and why are all the iconic characters in low?

The new smash will fix that hopefully. I hear bowser is getting some mean upgrades. Nobodies like MetaKnight and Ice Climbers can take their rightful place behind Link and Mario.

 

[Man Li Gi]

The new smash will fix that hopefully. I hear bowser is getting some mean upgrades. Nobodies like MetaKnight and Ice Climbers can take their rightful place behind Link and Mario.

Ice Climbers and Mk are the only 2 characters that deserve to stay. They are reminders and pillars of what Smash used to be (fast and/or cheap), but has now slowed down to the point where mid tiers/low tiers seem cool. They need buff everyone around them without nerfing them, and then that will be a better smash game.

 

[1PokeMastr]

I think that Donkey Kong should be able to get a vertical height boost with his Up B if the player mashes the B button.
I also think Side B should be frame 3 and deal 81% shield damage.
Also his Down B should be able to be jump cancelled.

His aerial down B should be a downward hand clap that rockets a shock wave down as a spike.

His Up B should be entirely intangible for the full duration of the ground and aerial variations of the move.
His Dash attack needs to accelerate him twice as fast as his dash, and his usmash should have a hit box the moment his palms face upward, like and arc.\


All his clap moves should produce a shockwave.

 

[Shaya]

The best buff would be a taunt that initiates the DANCE INTERFACE so I can thriller with Marth all day long.

 

[Man Li Gi]

I think that Donkey Kong should be able to get a vertical height boost with his Up B if the player mashes the B button.
I also think Side B should be frame 3 and deal 81% shield damage.
Also his Down B should be able to be jump cancelled.

His aerial down B should be a downward hand clap that rockets a shock wave down as a spike.

His Up B should be entirely intangible for the full duration of the ground and aerial variations of the move.
His Dash attack needs to accelerate him twice as fast as his dash, and his usmash should have a hit box the moment his palms face upward, like and arc.\


All his clap moves should produce a shockwave.

Yo, me and you have similar mindsets for buffs on DK, but the upB description is too bogus. Maybe like in Melee, it becomes the "crack" and kills in the air and ground when it first comes out. Also it should be intangible for the first 8 frames and subsequently gets like medium/light armor.

 

[1PokeMastr]

Maybe 10 frames of intangibility.
1-10, strong hit, 4-6.
Seems fair.

Rest should be heavy armour like Yoshi's double jump, so some moves can knock him out, but not all.

 

[Man Li Gi]

Yeah that is cool. Isn't Yoshi's jump armor also damage dependent (based off his damage)? I don't really know as I rarely see or play Yoshis.

 

[infiniteV115]

Not exactly. It's heavy armor, not super armor, and it only works up to a certain knockback threshold. So if a move has higher knockback than the threshold, Yoshi gets knocked out of it.
And obviously, knockback increases with damage so damage is relevant, but it's not the determining factor.

 

[Man Li Gi]

K, thanks.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Not exactly. It's heavy armor, not super armor, and it only works up to a certain knockback threshold. So if a move has higher knockback than the threshold, Yoshi gets knocked out of it.
And obviously, knockback increases with damage so damage is relevant, but it's not the determining factor.

Banned from Canada. Citizenship revoked. gtfo.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Seagull vs Meek MM at Apex?

For $100 if he wants.

 

[Man Li Gi]

Banned from Canada. Citizenship revoked. gtfo.

I do not see the problem as there are different degrees in armor... like weak (snake's cypher, yoshi's double jump), Kirby's stone is medium, but has a set damage to take 25%, and DK's grounded upB, his neutral B, Ike's upB and neutral B, DDD's up B, and Charizard's upB.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I do not see the problem as there are different degrees in armor... like weak (snake's cypher, yoshi's double jump), Kirby's stone is medium, but has a set damage to take 25%, and DK's grounded upB, his neutral B, Ike's upB and neutral B, DDD's up B, and Charizard's upB.

I'm revoking your Canadian citizenship as well, even if you aren't Canadian.

 

[GTZ]

The new smash is supposed to be faster than brawl, but somewhat slower than melee...

 

[Man Li Gi]

I'm revoking your Canadian citizenship as well, even if you aren't Canadian.

It's called armor or launch resistance. Don't know what game you are playing, but it is pretty silly.

The new smash is supposed to be faster than brawl, but somewhat slower than melee...

.....Your point is? Most people knew that a while back sir.

 

[Shaya]

British English spells it as armour.
Please.
Please.

 

[1PokeMastr]

Even Australians know our pains.