Desu~
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OMG CAN YOU GAIZ JUST TASTE THE DELICIOUS DRAMA THAT'S IN HERE?
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Official SWF Matchup Chart v3.0
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tastes like Piss
Desu~
Smash Ace
NH Cody
Smash Champion
xDD-Master
Smash Champion
I just took a look at ICs MU Ratios...
Why is Mario only +2 lol?
I feel like a lot of ICs MUs are worse than what its in this chart :/
Why is Mario only +2 lol?
I feel like a lot of ICs MUs are worse than what its in this chart :/
They would be but ICs don't practice chain-grab timings vs bad characters.
So it's like 50% consistent ICs (that takes like a game to figure out the timing) vs that character rather than 0>death off any grab ICs vs that character.
Rizen
Smash Legend
I'd like to hear about the Mario/ICs MU (ha, actual MU talk on this thread). I imagine Mario is really good at gimping ICs, or at least one of them, and that makes it -2?
NH Cody
Smash Champion
no I'd rather hear about the luigi: yoshi mu. the mu chart says -1 but that makes no sense
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
LOL I never even noticed that. Yeah, that should be a -3, not a -2.
Rizen
Smash Legend
The character players usually have good explanations. What's talked about depends on who shows up.
(inb4 Jigglypuff, Peach and Yoshi players answer)
(inb4 Jigglypuff, Peach and Yoshi players answer)
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
I am a Mario player lol. I play Yoshi, Bowser, and Mario.
1PokeMastr
Smash Champion
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It's because Mario has a cape and can reverse the CG at any moment, making Nana sync with Mario and then you have Mario & Nana vs Sopo.
It's +3 for Mario.
I play Donkey Kong, Falco and Dedede.
It's +3 for Mario.
I play Donkey Kong, Falco and Dedede.
NH Cody
Smash Champion
I was going to post something like this but then decided it was too cliche
1PokeMastr
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You wanted to try and posting somethig not Cliche.
In this thread ?
In this thread ?
RaptorTEC
Smash Champion
Luigi is my most played mu it's definitely a +1
Rizen
Smash Legend
What can Luigi do to Yoshi? It seems like Yoshi would be really hard to chase down.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
You sound upset.I've been caught on the wrong day.
The **** is wrong with all of you.
Especially Thor bragging about beating a ****ing Ganon with Falco. HEY GUYS I WON A +4 MU, PRAISE ME.
It's like winning D3 vs ****ing Dk, and the D3 can do the infinite and has patience, it's nothing to brag about. Hey guys, did you see me push the Z button 240 times against that Dk ?
If were in a place of bragging about beating Ganon with a ****ing Falco.
I beat RayKalm's Ganon with my Falco.
LIKE ****.
And you go off complaining about being bad, and people not telling you you're being too hard on yourself, the **** is wrong with you ? If you're bad, you're ****ing bad.
Everyone is ****ing bad no matter where you look.
M2K lost to a ****ing Rob and Pit.
Glutonny lost to a ****ing Lucas.
Most of the USA gets bodied by a ****ing Donkey Kong.
Japan got bodied by ONE ****ING ZERO SUIT that can't even place ****ing high anymore.
Everyone spends their ****ing time complaining about getting grabbed by ****ing Ice Climbers.
Getting ****ing gimped by Metaknight, Chain Grabbed by a ****ing Falco despite his CG being dwarfed by a lot of other ****ing chain grabs.
Sopo, you ever hear of this nasty ****er ? A ****ing mid tier.
His ****ing CG works on the entire cast.
It has a higher damage output than ****ing Falco's.
Then you complain about not beating a mid tier with a ****ing mid tier.
If you ****ing play this game, it's your own ****ing fault, stop being *****es about it.
IF YOU'RE A ****ING NEW PLAYER, MAN THE **** UP AND LEARN THAT YOU'RE BAD AT THE ****ING GAME. DON'T ***** AND MOAN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WIN.
Side note: Most of the DDD's have lost to Will
RaptorTEC
Smash Champion
1PokeMastr
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I thought it was because Luigi is basically 1 spot above low tier.
tekkie
Smash Master
sakurai, please make it happen
I just read the last two pages and it's filled with so much stupid.
What am I reading?
Are these... tears? I think I am crying.
gj making a newbie ragequit guys, what a lovely community we have here.
What am I reading?
Are these... tears? I think I am crying.
gj making a newbie ragequit guys, what a lovely community we have here.
infiniteV115
Smash Hero
Ontario may have made an australian newbie raqequit but we also made a newbie (ie newbie to Australia) the best player in Australia so I think everything is evened out now
Seagull Joe
Smash Legend
Didn't the 
's wreck the 's at Apex 2012 in a crew battle?
's wreck the 's at Apex 2012 in a crew battle?
RaptorTEC
Smash Champion
Umm idk is 2 or 3 stocks out of a 15 stock crew battle getting wrecked? Everyone on our side played the mu like ass allowing Boss to take 8 stocks. Singles records still favor us anyway.
ftfy
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
Lol a lot of our players did dumb **** in the crew battle to get bopped. I took like, 6 or 7 stocks but it was too late to matter. The match up is pretty simple.
I'M BACK *******!!!
Why are we talking about Green characters like it's St. Patrick's Day?
We should be talking about Flaoc cuz it's Thanksgiving (in Canada)
Why are we talking about Green characters like it's St. Patrick's Day?
We should be talking about Flaoc cuz it's Thanksgiving (in Canada)
Didn't the
Raptor already answered, but I also wanted to point out that since timing out and camping Luigi is a legit strategy for pretty much any character, I wouldn't go off of a crew battle much.
I haven't played any ICs with Mario, so no comment. The ironic part about that cape joke is that it can give Nana permanent super armor, so it'd make things even worse.
1PokeMastr
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And you're denying being wrecked ?
Aidebit
Smash Journeyman
Because this thread isn't creative.
To be fair, Delta-cod just said he took 6-7 stocks, so not really. It's not uncommon for the best player of one side of crews to take an abnormally large amount of stocks in crews.
Heck, I've even seen bad players take like, 5 stocks~
NH Cody
Smash Champion
I can't believe you all actually listened to me and are talking about yoshi vs luigi
there is no hope.
there is no hope.
RaptorTEC
Smash Champion
He did take 8 stocks but we didn't get "wrecked" as a whole considering it was 2 or 3 stocks at the end. Can't really remember
Desu~
Smash Ace
Everybody has the power to post something that might destroy this thread.
Like how i could ask who's got a better Yoshi; RaptorTEC or Tarextherex?
Im leaning on the latter.
congratulations on figuring out what SM and I have been exploiting for the better part of 2 years
Ike's good, but Wolf's better.
Rizen
Smash Legend
Yes but the real world isn't like Disney.
In my experience Wolf does have a slight advantage. Transcendent blaster is awesome at interrupting Ike's actions and stopping his attempts at upB ledge stalling.
Wolf's mobility and Bair allow him to poke relatively safely and add to Wolf's pressuring. Wolf playing passively seems to be really difficult for Ike to deal with.
On the other hand Ike's power is insane and he doesn't need too many hits to KO. Ike's jab is always stupid good and Ike can be fast enough to land some stuff like Bair. Ike's reach and fast jab really aid him and make this close to even. He might have some throw>dash attack chain I'm not sure (how's that work?) Ikes do something and finish with dash attack a lot.
Offstage both can be gimped but Wolf does better and walling Ike back. Ike launches farther and punishes super hard.
It boils down to Wolf has an easier time but has to do more work. +1 Wolf.
/IMO
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