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Just gonna say:
I'm warming up to 3121 right now, personally. The extra kill option is very nice to have.Marth really needs to have Crescent Slash on more than just 1121, it's such a viable kill and combo method that it really deserves more than just one set. The recovery isn't as bad as thought initially and having 3121 and 3123 fixes these issues enough to be just an amazing move overall.
In my opinion, 3133 is the most niche out of the current options, because Marth already has a lot of mobility with 3131 and Counter is slightly stronger and Counter works slightly better when going deep edgeguarding as it hits the character even further off the edge if you can get it off. For the second option to replace, while I would prefer 1113 to go since I currently see not much reason to run it, I personally haven't tried it myself and it could very well be a very beneficial option against certain match-ups/stages, so I'll say 1121 should be taken off at the moment because Dashing Assault not only provides more stage control and more mix-up opportunities with the mobility, it also provides even more (horizontal) and makes Marth (with Crescent Slash) much harder to edgeguard than usual. I think this is far more useful than the shieldbreaking power that is Shieldbreaker, when many of times you can just use a shield as an opportunity to F-Throw to Crescent Slash anyways.
Of course, that's not to say 3133 and 1121 aren't viable at all, just simply much more niche and if someone wants to use them, they only need to bring their own 3DS and install it in.
I remember trying out AAS and liking it: The interesting downwards angle can throw people for a loop and does some weird edge cancel stuff. I don't think it's the best but it should be considered.
The good ol' Shulk boards are hashing out pros and cons to each individual custom over the coming weeks. If I know those guys at all we'll have something by mid-March or whenever you need it done.
Today I learned Tempest stalls recovery. My opinion of it has changed drastically.
Exactly, It certainly does have some interesting niches that give it at least some usability. One or two sets with it is not out of the question.
1113 for guaranteed/essential, I expect it to become popular. Since there's no importing at Evo I'll expand my suggestions for sets in order of priority.
If it clanks, does it stop all his momentum? Because my concern would be Ike being stopped by a Projictle game, which still does not solve his problem with approaching projectile characters.
They will not. It's going to be entirely pre-loaded sets, whatever's decided on before March 27.
Well, goodbye Ol-one-two Doctor mario set.
Push for it to be added to the list, either here or on the Dr. Mario boards.
I'll give it a shot, though my words may not hold much weight because I'd be pushing for one of the riskiest and currently least common moves he has...I'll go for it though.
Sorryy, Smashboards stopped notifying me of updates to this thread for the last two weeks and I simply can't browse the whole thing (mobile Internet only at the moment)... what exactly are you asking for? I assume we are removing the 2222 and 3333 sets for Evo since friendly playtesting is unecessary in that environment. Will we also fill in the 9 and 10 slots?
Yes and yes. EVO needs a full list of 10 per character. (Or less, I suppose, but there's no reason to leave slots empty since they're disallowing on-site set creation entirely.)
Mega Man
I'm gonna be blunt with you: Sideways Pound is awful. It's a frame-18 move with no range. In Smash you have to have either range or speed to land any move, and Sideways Pound has neither.
Yeah but in match ups like rosalina, sideways pound gets rid of Luma super easily and also gimps Little Mac super easily too. Can yew just add like 1 set with sideways pound. It still has its niches.
Jigglypuff has few good customs so it seems likely a Sideways Pound set will make the cut, as dubious as the move is.
In this case, what are the purported upsides of Sideways Pound and Pound Blitz? Just on paper.
I feel like a Melee Charge Shot set should be included, but only one (if I had to pick one, 3232 would probably be it), specifically for Rosaluma and reflector matchups where it's exceedingly dangerous to throw out a charge shot (though dense is fairly safe if you're not an idiot, just due to how slow it is). As for Screw Rush, as cool as the move is (for being the only accurate representation of Screw Attack, since you have to do a spinning jump to screw attack in the 2D games), I'm a bit iffy on its applications. It's a bit like Aether Drive in that taking it sacrifices a lot of your vertical recovery, in exchange for horizontal which Samus doesn't need thanks to the glorious range of the grapple beam. I could see it having decent aggressive properties, but as a recovery it seems like such a disadvantage that I'm not sure it's really worth it. Much like the Ol'One-Two for Doc, which has never made sense to me unless we're adopting a "screw his weaknesses just give him another strength" rule for that move.
I know. I wasn't advocating PP, I was using it as an example.
I don't think that many top players have provided their input here from what I can see. I assume most of them looked at the project and saw that if offered what they wanted, or they just don't know what they want because they are used to a non-customs meta.
For the record, we're dismissing Decisive Monado Arts since it's counter productive to Shulk's general playstyle. Others are more ambiguous like the Back Slash variants, though Shulk's Power Vision, Hyper Monado Arts, and Mighty Air Slash might see usage due to the increased power.
Isn't it worth having at least one set with decisive since decisive speed is really good?
