[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Spydr Enzo]

Also, I can't believe there are more and more people believing in a Smash 4 unveil at this year's E3. I keep telling you that Sakurai is currently busy with Kid Icarus Uprising. Though I suppose the reason why everyone thinks it will be unveiled is simply because of a new console unveil and the proximity in our current time to E3 (less than two weeks away). Still, I personally think we are a year away from seeing Smash 4. That may be farther away than two weeks, but its still quite close.

It seems to me like more people are expecting a new Smash title that is being planned for the new console. I really doubt we'll see an unveil of a new Smash title, and I think most everyone agrees that that is rather unlikely. A mention of the game is the most we'll hear.

With that said, it doesn't really matter whether or not Sakurai is working on Kid Icarus. It is pretty far along in development now, far enough along that the possibility of Sakurai considering work on another Smash isn't totally out of the question. Also, don't forget that we don't know for sure whether or not Sakurai will be developing it. If he doesn't take it, I assume HAL Labs will be involved with most f it's development along woth some other development teams, and HAL isn't really working on anything big right now besides apparently getting ready to release another Kirby game.

 

[Shorts]

Why is everyone assuming Sakurai will be working on it? He has made hints on both not wanting to AND wanting to, but let's not forget that the whole not wanting to outweighs the wanting to. He doesn't like making sequals. I've heard he didn't reeeeeally want to do Brawl, but took it so no one else would, basically. He seems to want to dumb down the series more then Brawl. Why are we skipping over these facts?

As for whoever developes smash, I hope it's a first party company(s) because I don't want a "shoe-in" for SSB4. I like speculation. I also think Megaman is boring and would never live up to his hype. Like Sonic. I would Prefer Someone like Jill Valinetine over Megaman. And in-general prefer SC, SMRPG, Bomberman, Final Fantasy, ect. over Megaman. Lastly, this is NINTENDO'S game. All of their heavy hitters are being placed in a single disk. They should make it themselves.

 

[Starphoenix]

If Capcom developed the next Smash Bros I would be both shocked and unsurprised all at once. Considering Capcom's fighting history they would be the best choice for Nintendoto turn to for a more comprehensive fighter. Anyone frightened of them making the game too "hardcore" shouldn't worry. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOxybi2eD1o&feature=related

The positive is that pretty much guarantee's Megaman content somewhere.

As far as Sakurai goes he seem's rather reluctant to work on a new title. Normally I would say he should always be the director, but now I am not so certain that is necessary. Miyamoto has had influence into each title, and if Sakurai did the same thing with a newer producer I don't think it would be such a problem. You have the benefit of having new ideas brought to the table, balanced by the experienced veterans who have a proven mold to reinforce. In this case if Capcom were developing we could also have opinions from them regarding more of the technical side of things.

To me; Nintendo partnering with Capcom for the next title with a new director at the helm, while still maintaining Miyamoto and Sakurais' supervision, would be an ideal scenario.

 

[User33]

Also, I can't believe there are more and more people believing in a Smash 4 unveil at this year's E3. I keep telling you that Sakurai is currently busy with Kid Icarus Uprising. Though I suppose the reason why everyone thinks it will be unveiled is simply because of a new console unveil and the proximity in our current time to E3 (less than two weeks away). Still, I personally think we are a year away from seeing Smash 4. That may be farther away than two weeks, but its still quite close.

Why do you think Sakurai is developing the new Smash?

 

[Shorts]

Just had a thought. What if smash got a second special, and attack button? Combo's could potientially be made more readily and we would have more specials for our opponents to read. This all being done while staying true to the simple gameplay. We couldn't have to push up left right B to use a move. Just up and b.

 

[augustoflores]

wasn't that originally KumaOso's thought?

 

[ryuu seika]

Does this mean we'll have 50% chance of tripping and Top-Tier Ganondorf ?

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297669

 

[Big-Cat]

wasn't that originally KumaOso's thought?

Sort of. Shortie's suggesting two special buttons and two attack buttons. While I suggested one special and three attack buttons.

In all honesty, I don't think giving the game two more attack buttons is gonna turn off people in terms of accessibility. Besides, if we wanted actual combos instead of Smash combos, you'd need at least one more attack button so it's not just mashing A all the time.

The main thing with fighting games is that you need a well-done tutorial mode available and identify what the play styles of the characters are. Also including a trial/challenge mode would also be a way to get a feel for a character.

 

[augustoflores]

I'm reading this issue of Game Informer with the Ezio on the cover and I'm at the previews section. "Cartoon Network Punch Time Explosion". it is a 3DS title by Crave Games developed by Papaya Studios.

Papaya Studios is making no secret of its attempt to ape Nintendo's hit Smash Bros. franchise. And why shouldn't it? Nintendo has made no attempt to make the series portable, and what better way to bring the world of many of Cartoon Network's shows past and present together?

it goes on to say that "unfortunately, online play is not supported" so we can't find out if online play would be a humongous boost in a possible smash bros. portable (even though we all know it should)

I went a few rounds against 3 foes, and Punch Time feels exactly like Smash Bros. Jumps are floaty, attacks vary according to how buttons are combined with the analog pad, health is displayed via percentages, and victory only comes when you knock opponents off the side of the screen

papaya studios says the 1 player campaign lasts 7 hours.

EDIT: you play multiplayer over local wireless

 

[ryuu seika]

Seven hours? Yeah, I'll pass thanks.

 

[vVv Rapture]

The game itself looks more like Power Stone than Smash, to be completely honest, even if it is only a on a 2D plane. It has that sort of awkward, overly chubby, floaty, poor 3D model look that Power Stone has. And I liked Power Stone, unfortunately.

To be honest, I don't think it's particularly necessary for Nintendo to release a Smash on the 3DS, but it would actually be a pretty good idea to make release one on the 3DS while we wait for a Project Cafe sequel to Brawl.

 

[Shorts]

Whilst I was drawing away yesterday, I decided that in order to get a better feel for how these characters would fight that I would make a sort of combo-oriented smash playstyle for them. This one character in particular only had technically two specials that do damage. She relied heavily on extreme speed(her only "superpower"), mobility, and the surprise that these two elements bring. Here are the specials:

Basic special (ExtremeSpeed): After you click B, you would then hold it down and tilt right or left. From here you would move at super speed (and have that cool effect as well) for up to five seconds at a time. In this state of extreme speed you cannot attack while running, but you can end the running with a forward punch, or one of your tilt specials. These moves cannot be worked into combos because they last a while. (But do a lot of damage and have some decent knockback) You can also single jump in this mode. Your single jump would be a a long leap across the ground. Not so much a high jump. You can double jump out of "extremespeed" if you feel the need to.

Tilt Special (Weapon): There are three weapons which can be accessed by using your down special. The first is a straight forward beam sword stab. (She doesn't carry this, but she pulls it out for this single attack. The sword clicks on and off, just an fyi) The second is a beam whip, which can be used on the ground to bring enemies closer in for an assualt. It can be used in the aire as an "Air throw" as well. The last attack is a beam bat. she uses two hands and bashes downwards, which throws the enemy on the ground. This leaves them open for some crouch comboing.

Down Special (Tazer/WeaponChange): She will turn the opposite direction she is facing and hold her beam sword behind her and click it. When she clicks it she changes her weapon, but also the static that is released can stun a close enemy. The stun will last up to three seconds. This is perfect for a mega combo, or a "drop KO". Her moves really lean towards a sort of infiltrate, hit hard and fast, and get out of their type feel. The stun is done quickly and leaves you facing the opposite direction for a quick escape if one is needed.

Up special (Arial flip): this move is similar to ZSS's. Except it can be used, and tilted forward or backwards. This move is sort of goes in a rainbow formation. You can use a sex kick, or you weapon. While in the flip, the sword wil send the opponent launching forward. The bat will smash them to the ground, and the whip will act as a grab. You real them in, and toss them behind you. You can also air dodge, and land into a ground dodge. Be careful though, these could set you up for a combo if used wrong.

Her regular attacks do small amounts of damaged, but can be comboed into decent sized chains if you use her correctly. Her weak point would be arial battle, in this smash type setting there are other characters who have exstensive air abilities who would decimate her Percentage. How do you like this Infultrate, hit hard, and escape, character? This is about the moveset, not really the character mind you. Any questions? Comments?

Here's a sketch of her, if you care:
http://s205.photobucket.com/albums/bb255/shortiecanbrawl/?action=view&current=lace.jpg

 

[NeoZ]

Game Arts had basically no prior experience in the fighting game genre, and they made Brawl pretty good (maybe not from a competitive stand point, but as a party game and successor to Melee it was great).

Party game I can agree with, great successor to melee? Hell no.
And is there any source for all these rumors?
Cause I haven't heard anything other than what people are saying.

 

[Big-Cat]

@Shortie, it seems more like it's best to make the weapons available for 9B, 6B, and 3B instead from just a rotation with Down B. The reason I say this is because Extremespeed would otherwise be very predictable. This way, you give the character a strong mixup game.

 

[Sonic Poke]

it goes on to say that "unfortunately, online play is not supported" so we can't find out if online play would be a humongous boost in a possible smash bros. portable (even though we all know it should)

SSB3DS will be a remake of SSB64 and his Vs Mode will be online.

 

[Pieman0920]

Methinks that Smash Bros 3DS wouldn't be 64, but rather have a unique roster. People expect more than just the initial 12 characters, and it wouldn't be that hard to add more.

 

[augustoflores]

SSB3DS will be a remake of SSB64 and [it's] Vs Mode will be online.

"will"? when i say things that i cannot prove, i always use non-finite words. words that sound like opinions. "Will", "always", "never", "forever", etcetera. these are words you won't see me using much.
but of course the word NEVER will be used in this thread so much it's not even funny. to use by the basis of the integrity of smash; whether the rules say so or not, this world has a possibility for curve balls and breaking rules, much to our chagrin of the impossible happening.
whether we like it or not, Goku is possible... buuut there is a 99.999999999999999% chance of him never appearing in smash ever sans your daily hackables.

now as for the 3ds... gonna have to go with pieman on this one.

 

[ChronoBound]

Methinks that Smash Bros 3DS wouldn't be 64, but rather have a unique roster. People expect more than just the initial 12 characters, and it wouldn't be that hard to add more.

I think a Melee port with online would be a massive seller.

Well we are less than two weeks away from E3, and hopefully the new game announcements will give us plenty more to speculate in regards to Smash 4. We will also be counting down from E3 a year away from its likely unveil in 2012.

Its exciting that we are about a year away from a likely unveil in Smash 4. In the coming year, expect a lot more writings and character analyses from me.

 

[Shorts]

Goku .

If Goku gets in I want Merideth Grey in. Make it happen Nintendo.


^^^^
This is why 4th parties will never be in smash. That's right never.

 

[augustoflores]

That's right never.

Exactly. i told you SonicPoke!! it is just as i have said.

shorty... you failed to understand the message. i won't argue with you in regards to what i have stated.

 

[Big-Cat]

4th parties? That's an odd choice of words.

Anyway, I've got some new information for you guys.

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2011/05/26/huge-fighting-franchise-to-return-at-e3/

As said in the article, Soul Calibur V has been revealed, Street Fighter has its Tekken crossover, and Tekken has Tag 2 and its Street Fighter crossover. The only franchises I can think of are Darkstalkers, Killer Instinct, and Smash.

 

[Shorts]

Exactly. i told you SonicPoke!! it is just as i have said.

shorty... you failed to understand the message. i won't argue with you in regards to what i have stated.

I didn't misinterpret the message. I just wanted to point out the reason WHY we say never to such things.

I bet you it's DarkStalkers. I mean the article seemed to be talking about Sony, not nintendo. I'll still squeal like a girl when that is revealed though. I read somewhere that the guy who made SFIV would like to make "DSIV". Smash has no news of the sort. So just plan on it being Darkstalkers everybody.

Oh, and I consider character/franchise non-video game 4th party. I didn't make this term up either, I've heard a few people use it.

 

[Big-Cat]

Thing is, the only things that Darkstalkers faces are not enough of a large fanbases (something about needing a million signatures or something), Ono producing SFxTekken, and whether or not Capcom wants to do sprites or polygons. As you and I know, Darkstalkers is known for its incredibly well animated sprites.

I don't think Ono just being producer matters as much as we think as we'd still need a director. On the other hand, Ono was the one that pushed for SFIV to begin with.

And just because there hasn't been news of a new Smash doesn't mean its chances are low. This is Nintendo we're talking about after all.

And speaking of E3, I need to remember to make the request at work to have the 7th as my off day so I can watch everything live.

 

[NeoZ]

4th parties? That's an odd choice of words.

Anyway, I've got some new information for you guys.

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2011/05/26/huge-fighting-franchise-to-return-at-e3/

As said in the article, Soul Calibur V has been revealed, Street Fighter has its Tekken crossover, and Tekken has Tag 2 and its Street Fighter crossover. The only franchises I can think of are Darkstalkers, Killer Instinct, and Smash.

Darkstalkers or Virtua Fighter maybe? Guilty Gear also makes sense.
I just don't see it being smash, 3 games doesn't sound like a huge fighting franchise.

 

[augustoflores]

sure you didn't

anyways, i want KoFxiii but i doubt that is what it is referring to.
it stated as a return of a massive fighting game and KoF has been pretty active already...

darkstalkers seems to be the only one that's massive (besides smash) that hasn't received an iteration in its franchise.

 

[Shorts]

sure you didn't

I didn't, it is just stupid to say that we say never too much. The rules are the rules and it is neither likely, nor smart to break most of them.

So if you are going to say we say never too much, maybe you should remember what exactly saying no to. You act like we should ban the word never because anything is possible. While anything IS possible, when something has a less than .01% chance of happening, I think its more than safe to say never.

Also, I think that their is a large ENOUGH fanbase, don't you? It's not insanely popular, but Morrigan, Felicia and to a lsser extent Demitri/B.B/Anakaris/Hsien-Ko are popular. They have appeared in MvC/CvSNK/CapcomFightinEvo

 

[DarkShadow20]

I think a Melee port with online would be a massive seller.

Well we are less than two weeks away from E3, and hopefully the new game announcements will give us plenty more to speculate in regards to Smash 4. We will also be counting down from E3 a year away from its likely unveil in 2012.

Its exciting that we are about a year away from a likely unveil in Smash 4. In the coming year, expect a lot more writings and character analyses from me.

No, we're about two weeks away from a likely unveil of Smash 4.

 

[augustoflores]

I didn't, it is just stupid to say that we say never too much. The rules are the rules and it is neither likely, nor smart to break most of them.

So if you are going to say we say never too much, maybe you should remember what exactly saying no to. You act like we should ban the word never because anything is possible.

you're beginning to provoke me.

also, it feels like you are feeling the color red... just chill. i am aware that you were indirectly affected by my comment, just know that it wasn't really my intention.

in an effort to cool, bygones? (lol there is barely anything to cool but id prefer not to extend past this one page.)

off topic for anyone: what do you think of my new icon?

 

[Big-Cat]

Ah! Naked people!

 

[augustoflores]

the pants are not visible... didn't draw them... kinda low riding, lol

 

[User33]

No, we're about two weeks away from a likely unveil of Smash 4.

This, Chronobound continues to ignore the (likely) possibility that Sakurai isn't involved in Smash 4 for some reason.

Can't wait to rub it in his face once its shown at E3.

 

[Shorts]

you're beginning to provoke me.
i am aware that you were indirectly affected by my comment, just know that it wasn't really my intention.

Spoiler

Maybe you should remember that mostly everyone on this board, who has been around for a year or longer, has said made in-depth analysis on characters, and given tons of evidence why someone is and isn't likely. So when you say things like people around here say this and that too much, you should realize that you are aiming directly at some of the most intellectual people on this board and their is reason behind what they are saying. It bugs me that you didn't think of that and continued to talk about your fellow long time members in such a non flattering light to a person who will be gone in a month. I don't care what you say about me, but I actually like some of these people and don't want to see them talked ill of.

Your avatar is nice.

@Chronobound. Me, and a few others want to know your thoughts on Sakurai and if you honestly see him taking any sort of role in SSB4.

 

[majora_787]

He didn't want to make Melee's successor, and he doesn't want to make Brawl's successor. If he somehow gets talked into making SSB4S3DS (trollface)... Then I will be amazed.

 

[ChronoBound]

This, Chronobound continues to ignore the (likely) possibility that Sakurai isn't involved in Smash 4 for some reason.

Can't wait to rub it in his face once its shown at E3.

I would not mind being wrong for something such as a new Smash Bros. game being announced. However, although I am likely to be proven correct (that Smash 4 will be be a no-show at E 2011), I will not gloat, and instead find solace in that the absurd rumors will disappear until May of next year.

If there is some kind of "Smash 4" announced at E3 it will be either be Smash 3DS (which will likely be an enhanced port of Smash 64 or Melee) or "Nintendo vs. Capcom". I think Iwata does not want any one to work on Smash Bros. until Sakurai is freely available. Even if Sakurai does not direct the next Smash Bros., I sitll think he will be heavily involved with it.

I think the reason everyone is becoming so angry with me is because my predictions means at the very least we will be waiting a year for Smash 4, and possibly two years at most. I think when Smash 4 is not shown on June 7, people will keep saying that Smash 4 still has a chance of being unveiled at E3 2011 due to the fact that Brawl was not unveiled at Nintendo's E3 2006 Press Conference either. So I guess after June 10 is when we will be hearing the last of the "Smash 4 is imminent" rumors for a while.

I am kind of torn about Sakurai directing Smash 4. Sakurai did a great job with 64, Melee, and Brawl, but I am not sure whether he can do another "great" Smash. It was "easy" to improve on Melee considering that online was a massively important addition and there were plenty of important Nintendo characters not yet playable. With Smash 4, "more characters, more stages, more trophies, more items" won't cut it, and if it does it will be the last time he could pull "more, more, more" as a means of improvement off. However, in the end I would still prefer for Sakurai to return directing. Better the devil you know than the unknown, I guess. I think Sakurai recognizes that "more" is not enough for a prospective Smash 4.

 

[DarkShadow20]

The reason I believe SSB4 will be shown at E3 2011, is that I have never seen this high amount of rumors and articles pertaining to a SSB game prior to E3 as I have in the past two months. Not even in 2006. Also, Nintendo would be fools not to have a SSB ready at launch or in the launch window for Project Cafe, unless they want another launch flop like the 3DS. And of course, both Melee and Brawl were shown prior to their respective systems' launches.

 

[Fawfulcopter]

Seeing lots of people saying this lately, so might as well bring it up again.
Sakurai never said he didn't want to make SSBB. He said he 'treated SSBB as if it were his last' or something like that. He said the same thing about Melee.

 

[ChronoBound]

The reason I believe SSB4 will be shown at E3 2011, is that I have never seen this high amount of rumors and articles pertaining to a SSB game prior to E3 as I have in the past two months. Not even in 2006. Also, Nintendo would be fools not to have a SSB ready at launch or in the launch window for Project Cafe, unless they want another launch flop like the 3DS. And of course, both Melee and Brawl were shown prior to their respective systems' launches.

Nintendo's next home console will not be released until late 2012, so an unveil of Smash 4 at E3 2012 would still be prior to the release of the system. Also, I did see plenty of rumors for a Smash 3 unveil prior to E3 2005 and E3 2006. E3 2005 we merely got an announcement that it was "in development" (even though it was not). I think at most Smash 4 will take the same form at Brawl did at E3 2005 which is to say, nothing more than an announcement that it is being "planned".

 

[Big-Cat]

@Chrono
Sakurai not wanting to do "more more more" again (because let's face it, did that with Brawl outside of gameplay where it was simplified) is the main reason why I think we're gonna see a significant, if not a revamp, change in the way Smash is played. The fact that most cannot tell the difference between Melee and Brawl on a surface level should say that.

Will it be as radical as a BlazBlue esque attack button setup? Maybe, maybe not. It depends on what Nintendo wants to do with the series.

And I could've sworn they said Cafe would be released no later than a year from now. Oh well, we'll get a more solid release date come E3.

And the more I think about it, I think it is possible, given Sakurai's sentiments in recent interviews, that he'll at least not be returning as director.

 

[User33]

Nintendo's next home console will not be released until late 2012, so an unveil of Smash 4 at E3 2012 would still be prior to the release of the system. Also, I did see plenty of rumors for a Smash 3 unveil prior to E3 2005 and E3 2006. E3 2005 we merely got an announcement that it was "in development" (even though it was not). I think at most Smash 4 will take the same form at Brawl did at E3 2005 which is to say, nothing more than an announcement that it is being "planned".

Sources have said 2012, not late 2012.

Also there's a big difference between E3 2005 and this E3. Nintendo is actually showing games, and having them playable on the show floor for this E3 as opposed to in E3 2005 where we just got vague details about the new system.

Really, the only argument against a new Smash being shown is that Sakurai may be working on it and he may be too busy with Kid Icarus.

 

[Thunder_slash]

Really, the only argument against a new Smash being shown is that Sakurai may be working on it and he may be too busy with Kid Icarus.

I think that Kid Icarus Uprising will be ready for either 4th quarter of this year or early 2012.
Also I think that if he ends that game, smash 4 will be showed, if not this year´s E3, in the EGS. For me that is okay.