[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Cyn]

I understand, but you have to evolve the gameplay. Adding in characters, music, etc., isn't enough. Even Sakurai said that a larger roster would not justify a sequel (maybe an update).

Complication is a big issue. What makes it harder is that everyone has their own different ideas of what's complex based off their personal experiences and gaming backgrounds.

Personally, I want to see the following (and I've said these before):

1. Smash Meter
4. Air Grapple
5. Power Squat Jumping
6. Reversal/Counter
7. Tech Throw
8. Air Dash
9. Anti-air grapple
10. Shield Burst
11. Ledge Grab Limit
12. Expansion on current movesets

I totally agree about game evolution. Furthermore, I totally agree with your list of techs with the exception of 1, 5, 6, 8 (what happened to 2 and 3?)
#1 I'm skeptical about because it shifts the gameplay dangerously close to that of traditional fighters.
#5 I just don't see the point (perhaps you can change my mind?)
#6 I think takes away from characters that already have counters as a special (FE's, Peach)
#8 Would make it too easy to get back to the ledge safely imo

If you want to expand on what you told me then, yeah, feel free to PM me.

#12 I think everyone can agree on whether novice or veteran.


But pretty much all of that is viable, makes sense, and doesn't screw with the mechanics of the game too much, just enhances them.

Good list!!!

 

[Big-Cat]

I totally agree about game evolution. Furthermore, I totally agree with your list of techs with the exception of 1, 5, 6, 8 (what happened to 2 and 3?)
#1 I'm skeptical about because it shifts the gameplay dangerously close to that of traditional fighters.
#5 I just don't see the point (perhaps you can change my mind?)
#6 I think takes away from characters that already have counters as a special (FE's, Peach)
#8 Would make it too easy to get back to the ledge safely imo

I originally had taken out 2 and 3 and never fixed that.

1. Not really. There's nothing wrong with having some similarity as Smash isn't THAT unique. Not only that, but a Super Meter doesn't mean much as I wanna say other games implement it in similar ways such as Limit Breaks.
5. This is just basically the Super Jump. Only select characters would have this. The benefits of this include a higher first jump and it can be canceled into.
6. Not really. The counters I'm mentioning require more precision. There's a risk involved, but the reward is that you have an opening on the opponent, something counter moves don't have.
8. Maybe. The whole point is to enhance the aerial game and acts as a surprise dodge. Considering how floaty Brawl is, I understand why you would that it makes recovery even easier. Increasing the gravity might fix things.

Oh and bring back hitstun.

 

[Bynine]

Why does everybody want Roy back, anyway? He's quite literally a carbon copy of Marth, just with fire. He isn't creative, or interesting, and Fire Emblem is a barely-noticable game. Two is enough for it.

 

[Cyn]

.....and Fire Emblem is a barely-noticable game.....

some people would strongly disagree.

@kuma: The gravity would be hard to tamper with since if affects pretty much everyone differently, and I don't want another drastic change to the gravity. Besides the dash would create other problems besides easy recovery I'm sure, namely people using it for cheap kills.

 

[vVv Rapture]

Ridley needs to be added and...hell, just make him top tier. He deserves it after being shafted from being a playable character in Melee and Brawl.

I mean, he can be fast, strong, have priority, ridiculous recovery, look ******, and all of that. Top tier material.

But seriously, Ridley definitely needs to be playable in a new installment. Maybe like a more agile...and overall better, Charizard.

 

[Kole]

He should be a faster, less powerful version of Charizard.

 

[ElPanandero]

Or we could make him different than Charizard...

And as for the new gameplay stuff. Most of you know I'm mostly with Kuma on these things, but I like the ideas of precision counters specifically out of that list. For the record, in Soul Calibur, characters do have counters (int he form Marth and Peach's) and everyone can do a regular counter (called an impact guard).

In smash the counter would simply knock the opponent of guard leaving them open to a follow up attack, instead of an auto-attack like the FE's and Peach. This would make both viable options depending ont he situation.

 

[Cyn]

He should be a faster, more powerful version of Charizard.

fixed.....yeah

 

[vVv Rapture]

Well, either he's fast and not as strong or strong and not as fast...and from his abilities in the Metroid games (especially in the Prime series), he deserves both. Or at least above average/average in both. Especially speed.

And laserz

 

[SSGuy]

What needs to be done in a fourth Smash Bros game:

1) No more sonic characters. (if you want to see shadow and knuckles and tails in the game, do us a favor and turn 13 already)
2) Get rid of smash balls entirely. They get really old for core fans.
3) Keep all Nintendo characters from previous games in but swap their moves up a bit. (it might keep things fresh.)
4) MEGA MAN TAKES SONIC'S PLACE IN SMASH 4! (The "REAL" Blue Bomber!)

 

[Meta Marth]

Nerf Meta Knight.
I think everyone can agree with that.
Add some more characters (can I hear Mega Man?)
I'd also like to see Roy's and Mewtwo's returns. Keep everybody who's in already.
The more the merrier right? (unless you sacrifice quality and balance for quantity, then, well, it's not merry)

 

[augustoflores]

@SuperShyGuy, Hey, if you're a core player like myself, then take out the smashball and play like you normally would, smash ball less. core fans arent the majority of smash players, we are a minority. but we are... THE BEST!!! (like black people and sports )

is ridley going to stomp on the ground like in brawl, i cant see ridley being a combatant (true i am a ridley supporter) so heavyweight aerial like Charizard... flamethrower or fireballs... or both? meta knight type Up B? whats his down B Bowser type Drop but on the ground he jumps as high as king Dedede's Up B? work with me people shouldnt all of this be nerfed? his moves are meant to kill, its like Charizard speed mix Ike power mix uberMix of DEDEBOWSERKNIGHT Xtreme, if he is in he is going to be God Tier the Day every one gets the game no one will play as mario ever again (jk but you get me)

oh remember when you choose Wario, you could choose WW inc Wario and plumber Wario, both full set palette swaps, also how you can choose daisy; well how about this Mario can have a palette swap of the Doc and all of his other palettes (Dark Doc) the moves will strictly be based on mario and his stance is exactly like mario because he is just a palette swap, the same goes for Marth:Roy and Toon Link:Young Link, for toon Link:Young Link young links hit boxes will be exactly like where toon links hit boxes are i dont care if his head is too big.

(this is in response to people supposedly not accepting my idea on sub characters and/or sub super moves. i just hope someone out there eventually supports my ide-Ers. as you may already know. it takes many to be heard in the bottom of the grand canyon, it must be filled in order to have the man in the chopper with the headphones to finally hear you. We must speak in UNISON!!!)
by the way, i type the way i attempt to speak.

edit... one more thing, give donkey kong and peach an aerial down B move; im thinking of a falling peach bomber, itll work like a mix of the head stepping and yoshis down B and Donkey Kong to have some sort of hand Klap maybe he can use it up to 3 times and it is also a recovery move for going upwards almost zero horizontal recovery. is there anyone else without an aerial move. id be happy to tweak it to usage.

dont fret, falling peach bomber is completely noticeable, she won't be meta knight godly (although she was in melee IMO) this is just filler for missing aerial b buttons

 

[Pieman0920]

we are a minority. but we are... THE BEST!!! (like black people and sports )

In regards to Ridley's moveset, I've always thought that that he would have fireballs for a neutral special, a wing related recovery move for his up special (probably like the shuttle loop that MK has or the one he used in SSE) Outside of that though, he doesn't need any particular attacks from his boss fight in SSE like the generic stomp. It'd be better to give him something like the pogo-tail from the actual games for something like a down special, and his grabing move for his side special (akin to Bowser's old side special rather than his Brawl one)

As far as alt costumes go, they are fine as long as they stay just like how Wario's is in Brawl, aka they don't do anything other than change apperances. A Dr. Mario alt shouldn't turn his fireballs into pills or anything. That being said, Young Link doesn't work as a alt for Toon Link because their bodies simply don't match up. If you rework Young Link to a size that does fit Toon Link's body structure, then by Jove, you've got Toon Link and not Young Link, now don't you?

 

[augustoflores]

toon links hit boxes to young link, his entire hit box is exact to toon link, if young link gets hit in a spot where he normally wouldnt then he gets hit because he is in essence toon link
think of it this way... no wait ill show you this snake hit box clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDWKpP1U1ok&feature=related
this is real... anyways in the dimensions of toon link, think of a green veil surrounding young link that veil is his hit box... herm maybe i should have said damage box

 

[Pieman0920]

Crazy hitboxes that don't actually link up with the attack are not a good thing. Honestly though you're underestimating the fact that Toon Link and Young Link simply don't have the same body type. Toon Link's arms and legs are deformed, for a lack of a better word, so they simply do not match up.

 

[augustoflores]

heheheh... fine then doc and roy make a comeback... what do you think of the aerial down b?

 

[Pieman0920]

Not needed really.

 

[augustoflores]

dammn you!!!... think a little more, use your happy place as a stage, control your brain power to command all of the coding of the game (yes i consider my brain a computer filled with pornviruses and distracting popups) the gravity, the stage, you may warp your happy place into the final Destination, in the character select screen, choose peach and then choose someone else for the enemy, use the turnips, spam them!! run to the edge and float until he got close enough... now DO IT!!! you missed, what was that... he air dodged? herm... oh well i guess you cant beat your own brain... but seriously the brain, mother brain to be exact, controlling master hand's bro Crazy Hand while Nightmare controls Master Hand. within their own vignettes, like in Kirby Super Star, there are segments, not even linked. click and start your mission, the mission will choose what characters get to be playable, better than Subspace Emmisary? yes. remove the uselessness of Event Matches? yes. at the very end when you unlock everything you fight zero two? yes does zero two appear in boss battles? no he is the hardest of the hard and you cant change the difficulty for zero two it stays on Omega Hard Dif (thats the dreaded lv 10)

did i get distracted somewhere?

 

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

A Dr. Mario alt shouldn't turn his fireballs into pills or anything.

I don't think it would be bad as long as they worked the same as the fireballs.

It's funny that you say that, though, because on the fan questions section of the Melee site, someone said "for the next game (Melee), you should make Dr. Mario a Mario costume" and Sakurai responded "but it would be weird to have Dr. Mario shoot fireballs".

 

[SmashChu]

I mentioned earlier that if Kid Icarus was to ever get another game to expect a new Kid Icarus character in SSB4.

Well, here is an interesting article on why Nintendo should make a new one. Kid Icarus just has so much potential for such a great new world. It's a good read and I'm sure you all are tired of Mario, Zelda and Metroid like I am.

 

[Starphoenix]

I mentioned earlier that if Kid Icarus was to ever get another game to expect a new Kid Icarus character in SSB4.

Well, here is an interesting article on why Nintendo should make a new one. Kid Icarus just has so much potential for such a great new world. It's a good read and I'm sure you all are tired of Mario, Zelda and Metroid like I am.

Very good article Smashchu. I am hoping with Nintendo publishing Samurai Warriors 3 in North America that they will consider reviving the Takamaru series. Sadly I am unsure as people seem to view (or would view hypothetically) the series as nothing more than "Zelda with oriental flair".

 

[SmashChu]

Very good article Smashchu. I am hoping with Nintendo publishing Samurai Warriors 3 in North America that they will consider reviving the Takamaru series. Sadly I am unsure as people seem to view (or would view hypothetically) as nothing more than "Zelda with oriental flair".

That's not a bad thing you know.
Content is a big thing about games and it's big to Smash too. The content is what the game is. In Zelda, we see a Medieval world with swords and dragons, and that reflects into Smash. In Metroid, we see an alien world, and it reflects in Smash. In Takamaru's game, we see a world filled with Samurai and Ninjas, and there is nothing wrong with that. It would be nice to see a Hack-n-slash with Takamaru. Samurais are always fun.

 

[Starphoenix]

That's not a bad thing you know.
Content is a big thing about games and it's big to Smash too. The content is what the game is. In Zelda, we see a Medieval world with swords and dragons, and that reflects into Smash. In Metroid, we see an alien world, and it reflects in Smash. In Takamaru's game, we see a world filled with Samurai and Ninjas, and there is nothing wrong with that. It would be nice to see a Hack-n-slash with Takamaru. Samurais are always fun.

That is close to what I am thinking. Kid Icarus and Takamaru are two series I could see returning in strong force. The return of these series would have more of an impact than say Punch Out!! or Sin and Punishment: Star Successor (not to diminish how great these titles are) as they merely built upon what has already been established mechanically. Nintendo is trying to expand the Metroid universe with Other M but there is skepticism among some gamers, people either judge it in comparison to Prime (most who do this are individuals who have never played older Metroid titles) or the others complain due to the development of the story because "Samus should be alone". Icarus and Takamaru are clean slates free of this issue, able to be molded into a phenomenal game. Question is where is that developer? As of now not within Nintendo, they have to outsource a flagship title to another developer to even attempt to change the structure without producing a massive flop.

 

[Gallowglass]

I mentioned earlier that if Kid Icarus was to ever get another game to expect a new Kid Icarus character in SSB4.

Well, here is an interesting article on why Nintendo should make a new one. Kid Icarus just has so much potential for such a great new world. It's a good read and I'm sure you all are tired of Mario, Zelda and Metroid like I am.

Yes a new kid Icarus game would bring a new genre to Nintendo's world. An ancient greek/ fantasy world would be fun. It could be like God of War but with better plots and better characters.

 

[Anoobish]

My roster

Mario:
Mario(Dr.Mario Alt)
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Boswer Jr. (Shadow Mario Transformation)

Zelda:
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (with sword moveset and altered moves to be atleast luigified)
Toon Link (WW/FS moves kthx)

DK:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
K.Rool

Wario:
Wario

Fire Emblem:
Marth
Roy
Ike

Metroid:
Samus/ZSS
Ridley

Pokemon:
Pikachu(Pichu Alt.)
Jiggs
Mewtwo(Buff)
Lucario
PKMN Trainer

Kirby:
Kirby
Meta Knight(nerf kthx)
DDD

Mother:
Ness
Lucas

Pikmin:
Olimar

Retro:
Excite Biker/Mach Rider
IC's
Mr. G&W
R.O.B
Pit

AC:
Tom Nook

Starfox:
Fox
Falco
Wolf

F-Zero:
C.Falcon
Samurai Goroh

3rd Party:
Snake
Sonic(with some Tails moves incoperated)
Bomberman/Megaman/Pacman

Golden Sun:
Isaac

That was about it I guess .

Now some stages I'd like to see:
Retro Stages from older Smashes:
SSB64:
Donut Plains or whatever it was called again
DK Stage
Saffron City
Hyrule
SSBM:
Poke Flight
That Mother stage with starting with F
Hylure at SSBM size
SSB4:
Rainbow Road
Bowser's Castle
(Can't think of more atm.)

I would like an Adventure Mode like the SSBM one , with bosses from each game . Also that Platform thing from SSB64 Should return . More unique events and Break the Targets please . Trophy Lottery .
No Tripping , not so many stages with random bullcrap.
That's for all at the moment

 

[Big-Cat]

I mentioned earlier that if Kid Icarus was to ever get another game to expect a new Kid Icarus character in SSB4.

Well, here is an interesting article on why Nintendo should make a new one. Kid Icarus just has so much potential for such a great new world. It's a good read and I'm sure you all are tired of Mario, Zelda and Metroid like I am.

Great, a Malstrom article. Aside from that, he forgot about series like Animal Crossing, Sin and Punishment, Baten Kaitos, and Golden Sun so we've had new series between Starfox and Pikmin and post Pikmin.

I would be more than happy to see a new Kid Icarus game. While I was reading this, I was thinking, "Why not make this like an anti-Bayonetta?" Bayonetta has you as the titular witch (excuse the pun) fighting angels. Kid Icarus what with the double swords, arrows, etc. would make for a great action game, and serve as a content foil, that could very topple Bayonetta's spot as best Action game, something Nintendo doesn't seem to have right now.

Aside from Kid Icarus, I'd like to see Starfox (preferably with a kendamo look), Pikmin (we know it's coming), MOTHER (or a spiritual successor), Donkey Kong, and F-ZERO make comebacks.

 

[Pieman0920]

No Kendamo look for SF. The overly realistic animal heads didn't work for it in the past and they won't work for it now. Also it would have to be a spiritual sucessor of Mother, since the creator of the series wants Mother 3 to be the last game, and sales weren't high enough for Nintendo executives to just ignore that and force another game.

But anyways, I think my eyes just burst from bad-generic-ness at Anoobish's list up there.

 

[Dyna]

What I want from SSB4 is that someone must convince Sakurai that Smash has an active COMPETITIVE SCENE and to let him know that we put Hal Labs on the map, so he must DELIVER another game as good as SSB and SSBM.

-Zero (Megaman Zero)
-Gray Fox (Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes)
-Put OoT Ganon back, TP Ganon sucks.
-More "Metroid" characters
-More "F-Zero" characters
-No "Sonic The Hedgehog" characters
-No Assist Trophies
-More Stages
-Less lyrics, more instrumental music
-Lobbies for WiFi games, chat, ability to return to character select from the stage select, better netcode, the ability to observe a match while in lobby
-Darker design similar to Melee and SSB, because Brawl is too bright
-Longer tags
-No Tripping
-Wall Tethering
-Air grabbing
-No DACUS
-Physics engine similar to Melee
-No infinite chain grab (DDD & Falco)
-Morph Bombs explode on collision
-Directional Air Dodge
-More "Fire Emblem" characters
-More "The Legend of Zelda" characters
-No Pokémon Trainer, but individual Pokémon characters
-Longer and more challenging Adventure Mode with Online
-Adventure Mode and VS. Mode have the same physics (in Brawl, Adventure Mode had different physics).
-Returning Stages from SSB, SSBM and SSBB
-More interesting Final Smash attacks, I don't want Samus to summon Land Master or Captain Falcon to do an Omni Slash
-Bigger friend list
-DLC (Using SD)
-Game Patches by Nintendo
-Ability to create/register Clans/Crews/Groups
-A Profile with your average win/loss
-Leaderboard
-Ability to organize Online Tournaments (again, Sakurai must know that the competitive scene put Smash on the map, he must know that the tournaments are the most important thing about the game, his team should investigate or even HIRE top players to collaborate with the developers to make this happen and to have this to work properly).
-No silly cling sound on C.Falcon's dash.
-No Toon Link
-More characters from other franchises
-Stages from other franchises even if the characters did not make it into the roster, or even if there are not characters involved (As in Picto Chat, Hannenbow, Smashville, et cetera)
-No Grab Release infinites
-The sweetpoint of Marth's sword is only effective with the Smash Attacks, tilts or aerials (except for D-Air) are not affected by the overpowered sweetpoint as he had on Brawl
-Roy is back
-Mewtwo is back
-Double Jump Cancel
-Possible New characters that can perform Double Jump Cancel
-The return of the intentional Lag Cancel and WaveDashing (developers knew it, they left them in, we all know that, those weren't glitches, just physics consequences, logic things)
-Wizard's Foot and Falcon Kick re-enables the use of the air jump

Ok, I don't know what else to think about right now, but that's what I am expecting to see, yet I know that's definitely not going to happen.

Thank you *disappears on the horizon*

 

[Pieman0920]

I've been wondering this for some time, but do typically those who suggest Grey Fox as a second MGS character not know the series well enough, and just saying he should be in because he was an AT or something? I mean I haven't played any of the games myself, but to my understanding, he's not all that important compared to other pottential additions. I suppose, there probably is a good chunk of people who simply would want him because they think he's cool and thus that should bypass other characters, but it seems like there are too many people suggesting the guy for just that.

Also @ Dyna, why exactly do you think that ATs should be cut? They are a item, and just like any item, you can turn them off whenever you please, so I don't see the appeal of cutting them, especially since they allow more characters to be represented.

 

[Big-Cat]

No Kendamo look for SF. The overly realistic animal heads didn't work for it in the past and they won't work for it now. Also it would have to be a spiritual sucessor of Mother, since the creator of the series wants Mother 3 to be the last game, and sales weren't high enough for Nintendo executives to just ignore that and force another game.

But anyways, I think my eyes just burst from bad-generic-ness at Anoobish's list up there.

I'm not saying that the style has to be realistic. A style like in this video (save for buff Peppy) would be adequate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84EsrskDhbU

We don't have those weird heads from Command for the canines and we have realistically shaped heads while still providing an animated, more mature style.

As for MOTHER, if I recall, Itoi had said that he had no intentions for a sequel, but wouldn't mind being the player for a possible sequel. He's basically giving Nintendo free reigns on directors and such under his approval. They can easily pull a Final Fantasy on us and create independent games.

 

[Starphoenix]

I've been wondering this for some time, but do typically those who suggest Grey Fox as a second MGS character not know the series well enough, and just saying he should be in because he was an AT or something? I mean I haven't played any of the games myself, but to my understanding, he's not all that important compared to other pottential additions. I suppose, there probably is a good chunk of people who simply would want him because they think he's cool and thus that should bypass other characters, but it seems like there are too many people suggesting the guy for just that.

Typically yes. Really Raiden would be more sensible of a choice over anyone else.

 

[ElPanandero]

No Kendamo look for SF. The overly realistic animal heads didn't work for it in the past and they won't work for it now. Also it would have to be a spiritual sucessor of Mother, since the creator of the series wants Mother 3 to be the last game, and sales weren't high enough for Nintendo executives to just ignore that and force another game.

But anyways, I think my eyes just burst from bad-generic-ness at Anoobish's list up there.

This.

I'm not even gonna bother making any real comments, as I've made the arguments before.

 

[Gallowglass]

I've been wondering this for some time, but do typically those who suggest Grey Fox as a second MGS character not know the series well enough, and just saying he should be in because he was an AT or something? I mean I haven't played any of the games myself, but to my understanding, he's not all that important compared to other pottential additions. I suppose, there probably is a good chunk of people who simply would want him because they think he's cool and thus that should bypass other characters, but it seems like there are too many people suggesting the guy for just that.

To clarify who Grey Fox is for you is that his a masochistic cyber ninja. Actually he was a regular spy informat for Snake in the NES Metal Gear game but he was lost and presumed dead. In Twin Snakes he comes back as this cyber ninja without any memory and is programmed to kill Snake. He dies at the end saving Snake from Metal Gear. He has invisiblity and can split a speeding bullet (or in smash reflect projectiles).



A character I don't think anyone as mention but has good potential is a Lolo/Lala team character. Not only do they have at least 3 games to their name, appear as bad guys in various Kirby games, are common character on the Kirby tv show, but they are also developed by Hal games. I'm surprise we haven't seen them sooner.

 

[Cyn]

A character I don't think anyone as mention but has good potential is a Lolo/Lala team character. Not only do they have at least 3 games to their name, appear as bad guys in various Kirby games, are common character on the Kirby tv show, but they are also developed by Hal games. I'm surprise we haven't seen them sooner.

I've mentioned Lolo a long time ago but not in a positive way. I loved his puzzle games back in the day, its just that they are kinda lame to be in a smash game.

 

[Arcadenik]

My roster

Mario:
Mario(Dr.Mario Alt)
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Boswer Jr. (Shadow Mario Transformation)

Zelda:
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (with sword moveset and altered moves to be atleast luigified)
Toon Link (WW/FS moves kthx)

DK:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
K.Rool

Wario:
Wario

Fire Emblem:
Marth
Roy
Ike

Metroid:
Samus/ZSS
Ridley

Pokemon:
Pikachu(Pichu Alt.)
Jiggs
Mewtwo(Buff)
Lucario
PKMN Trainer

Kirby:
Kirby
Meta Knight(nerf kthx)
DDD

Mother:
Ness
Lucas

Pikmin:
Olimar

Retro:
Excite Biker/Mach Rider
IC's
Mr. G&W
R.O.B
Pit

AC:
Tom Nook

Starfox:
Fox
Falco
Wolf

F-Zero:
C.Falcon
Samurai Goroh

3rd Party:
Snake
Sonic(with some Tails moves incoperated)
Bomberman/Megaman/Pacman

Golden Sun:
Isaac

That was about it I guess .

Now some stages I'd like to see:
Retro Stages from older Smashes:
SSB64:
Donut Plains or whatever it was called again
DK Stage
Saffron City
Hyrule
SSBM:
Poke Flight
That Mother stage with starting with F
Hylure at SSBM size
SSB4:
Rainbow Road
Bowser's Castle
(Can't think of more atm.)

I would like an Adventure Mode like the SSBM one , with bosses from each game . Also that Platform thing from SSB64 Should return . More unique events and Break the Targets please . Trophy Lottery .
No Tripping , not so many stages with random bullcrap.
That's for all at the moment

See? What did I tell you guys? I have told you guys time and again over the months that this generic roster above is the most popular and the most boring roster ever suggested for SSB4 (the only surprises are Excitebiker and Tom Nook but Sakurai turned down both of them so yeah...)

 

[Arcadenik]

Yes a new kid Icarus game would bring a new genre to Nintendo's world. An ancient greek/ fantasy world would be fun. It could be like God of War but with better plots and better characters.

Hey, don't knock God of War. It is a fun game. But yes, Nintendo really needs to revive Kid Icarus already. They just need to change the boring part of the original and the GB sequel - the boring part I am referring to is "standing in one spot for almost an hour and killing enemies over and over as they respawn endlessly just so you can get enough hearts to buy better items and enough experience points for Zeus to upgrade your arrow's strength" At least the GB sequel had enough sense to improve the gameplay such as letting me fall down and not die offscreen, instead I just fall down to a floor at a lower level, and allowing me to flap my wings to fall slowly (a la Super Mario Bros. 3).

 

[Dyna]

I've been wondering this for some time, but do typically those who suggest Grey Fox as a second MGS character not know the series well enough, and just saying he should be in because he was an AT or something? I mean I haven't played any of the games myself, but to my understanding, he's not all that important compared to other pottential additions. I suppose, there probably is a good chunk of people who simply would want him because they think he's cool and thus that should bypass other characters, but it seems like there are too many people suggesting the guy for just that.

Also @ Dyna, why exactly do you think that ATs should be cut? They are a item, and just like any item, you can turn them off whenever you please, so I don't see the appeal of cutting them, especially since they allow more characters to be represented.

Because they waste a lot of time trying to put them in instead of focusing in new and better things.

-Different suits for different characters, including different colors for their different suits, "Y Button" could change the suit, "X Button" could change the color (example: Samus could have the Light Suit, Dark Suit and Fusion Suit, each of them with two or three colors). To me, this is better than just putting Assist Trophies, items we will never use except when our little cousins want to play or something.

 

[Big-Cat]

*snip*

You want to go into the gameplay stuff first? Clicking the link in the sig might help unless you want to discuss it here.

 

[Deleted member]

Here's an relatively popular video on a person's wishlist for Super Smash Bros. 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8fK9kV_Arc

No, it's not me who created it. Give your thoughts on this.

 

[SmashChu]

That is close to what I am thinking. Kid Icarus and Takamaru are two series I could see returning in strong force. The return of these series would have more of an impact than say Punch Out!! or Sin and Punishment: Star Successor (not to diminish how great these titles are) as they merely built upon what has already been established mechanically. Nintendo is trying to expand the Metroid universe with Other M but there is skepticism among some gamers, people either judge it in comparison to Prime (most who do this are individuals who have never played older Metroid titles) or the others complain due to the development of the story because "Samus should be alone". Icarus and Takamaru are clean slates free of this issue, able to be molded into a phenomenal game. Question is where is that developer? As of now not within Nintendo, they have to outsource a flagship title to another developer to even attempt to change the structure without producing a massive flop.

I think Nintendo could make them in house. They were making Metroid games alongside Retro. It's just whether or not they would so them.