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Last I checked, Starfy still had a viable chance in making it in, but that was a few months ago. >.>

If he has another game released by the time SSB4 is out, I think he has a real chance at getting in. Making a moveset for him wouldn't be hard, and they already have something to work off of (graphics wise) seeing as he was an assist trophy. Of course, he'd have to be bigger, but they already have an idea of what he'd look like.
 

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@Koops: Bored? Go write your thoughts on the chances for the following characters:

Takamaru
Andy (or someone else from Nintendo Wars)
Chibi-Robo
Starfy
Mii
Wiibo
The best Final Fantasy character ever:
Galuf!
Not really bored but I'd prefer a different change of direction, but anyways since it's something interesting;

Takamaru: A very plausible retro suggestion, however this one really depends soley on what Sakurai thinks as a mere Cameo may help, and Sakurai's definition of "Appearing in another game" Wasn't that specific. There's also a chance that he sees a VC release in the US, as It's never been flat out denied by Nintendo (At least from what I've heard) as we have a lot of time between now until Smash 4. For now however with not even a glimpse of info at his Cameo asides from just appearing, his chances look fine. Really depends on the mans mind for retro characters in general If we're just applying now, as we never truly know with them.

...No serious who expected Pit? :dizzy:

Advance Wars: When discussing new franchises we have to consider how much weight they hold to nintendo in general, as with the installed ones, It's mainly about having every huge (Or not so but still huge in some way) Franchises. With that said, Advance Wars surely falls under this category at least decently well. It really applies to Sakurai's general opinion how an advance war character would work. The series very well fights unlike say Animal Crossing, but It's probably a positive that Andy would not fight directly based on how the general development team does Movesets. I wouldn't be that doubtable on this, but I really have no clue just as much as the next guy on how Sakurai determines weight for a series showing from Brawl, so I don't have any hopes up.

Chibi-Robo: Well, this one has slight fighting in it last I recall, still don't have it/may have it soon but It's a very small ended series compared to the rest of Nintendo's history and mainly just has the fact "It's unique" - With 2 US releases? If there's more popularity and it seems to sink in at least a bit more to Ninty's history along with Chibi having more...Fighting then well It's surely possible, but with all the higher franchises running around it seems like with what info's currently given It's more Assist-Trophy material. It wouldn't be that bad; Just imagine Chibi-Robo scrubbing you off on the stage with a
toothbrush. :laugh:

Starfy: in before arcadenik Well the series has a nice amount of popularity in Japan so it really depends on It's future here as I'm sure he can be made to work as a character considering all the other stuff the devs have done, and It's one of Nintendo's more plausible franchises that has yet to earn a character. However, the way the Assist Trophy is used is making me think otherwise. For now, I'm leaning a tiny bit towards less likely from the indifference, but hey; Could pull a Mother here. (No pun intended)

Mii: I've never had anything for or against it, really, this is a complete mix one. It really depends on how much the Mii will be worth. Will it stay as an iconic figure to Nintendo's future or will another thihng like it come up? And furthermore, what does Sakurai think on this one? Could there be programming issues? Probably not. Many questions bring along the table for technically ourselves :laugh:

Wiibo: wat

Galuf: Final Fantasy 5/V? Well, to start off with, probably none of the main FF characters would get in due to the "Generic" Ones representing a lot of the series. The main FF characters have priority over Galuf (Even If you just make it 1-6/I-VI) Then you have to consider If FF5 would be picked out of those since It's had the least notice in the US and fans/sales consider it not that great for the most part or just enjoy the job system or a few things in it. Then you have the fact that Bartz at least beats Galuf in priority.

Then to add up you have to realize that Square may not even license with nintendo or may go for a different series; Probably not on the second account.

In short:
Takamaru - Possible
Andy - Possible, real question goes to how he'd fight and mainly what Sakurai thinks on other obscure/"Lesser" series
Chibi-Robo - Unlikable, but still a neat suggestion for an AT.
Starfy - Possible, and surely looks to have a potential bright future with Nintendo.
Mii - Very questionable and debateable.
Wiibo - Wat
Galuf - Square even licensing -> picking FF -> picking a main game to focus on -> picking five as that main game -> throwing over the protaginist -> debates on which supporting character rules over the rest of the supporting cast -> Galuf! Yeah not really. It's however always a possibility for Dissidia 2: Square's back with more fanservice! Yay!

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the game; spirit tracks just lost it.
 

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@ Toise: What's a Wiibo?

@ Koopa: Given the fact that the Miis have been highly successful, and have even gotten Nintendo's rivals to copy, I would think that the next system would have them show up again in a updated form. Thus, even if the next Smash game doesn't take place on the Wii, I would think that the Miis, or their successors, will make it in some how. They are too popular not to.
 

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In case none of you heard, that mysterious 5th Generation Pokémon has been revealed. It's name is Zoroark, and is a Dark Fox Pokémon. They also revealed that the name of the latest movie is titled "Phantom Champion Zoroark". You can find all the information at Serebii.net

So, Zoroark for SSB4?
 

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For a second I thought this was Shino but whatever.

Anyways It's not for order but rather not running around in the same stupid circles all the time; I'd be posting here a lot more If that happened. I mean If more people are with us I'd be very glad to help out this thread kinda like I use to (Oh fun)
It is Shino.

I say we discuss my favorite topic for SSB4: Gameplay. Or not depending on what you guys want.
 

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In case none of you heard, that mysterious 5th Generation Pokémon has been revealed. It's name is Zoroark, and is a Dark Fox Pokémon. They also revealed that the name of the latest movie is titled "Phantom Champion Zoroark". You can find all the information at Serebii.net

So, Zoroark for SSB4?
If he's the main character of the new movie then most likely he'll be in.
 

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Being the main character of a movie doesn't quite mean that there's a solid confirmation. We don't know when SSB4 is coming out, remember? It could come out at the time of the 6th gen for all we know, and have to cover two new gens like Brawl did. Plus, there may be another 5th Poke who gets his own movie that is closer to Smash 4 and thus he'll have the attention at the time. Deoxys was perfectly capable of being a fighter after all, but by the time Brawl came around, there were other characters people were focusing on. (Also there's the case of Darkrai where he came in just a little bit too late, and didn't get a chance because of it)

And we could always discuss my favorite thing, SSB4 Music....though almost no one likes to do that. ._.
 

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Mega Man is not easy Toise. Its not easy at all....well anyways...

As always, please inform me if there's anything I'm missing. And yes, MM here is only the original series. Trying to throw in the other series is just too much.

Dr. Wiley’s Lab
Dr. Wily Stage 1 (MM2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLdqIiit4WY&
Galaxy Man (MM9) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUfZiMwSs1Q&
Tornado Man (MM9) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gus5y8ahTNk&
Title Theme (MMII) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MUpRQrN_BQ&
Title Theme (MM2) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOQhuuG1rfs
Title Theme (MM3) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVsVw7Y7SSA
Pharaoh Man (MM4) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2mb92JfrP8&
Proto Man’s Theme (PB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M33cviJIWE&
Dr. Cossack Stage 2 (MM4) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_wpW6zpqHY
Boss Medley 1 (MM1) - (Medley of the themes of MM1 Bosses)
Boss Medley 2 (MM2) - (Ditto)
Boss Medley 3 (MM3) - (Same deal)
Shade Man (MM7) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxSWjJmz1Dk
Electronic Communication (MM8) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0afy6fZkc80

Dracula’s Castle

Simon’s Theme (SC4) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dauRYb9il8&
Reincarnated Soul (CRe) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9URtJ70-xKc&
Spell of Sorrow (OoE) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keH8IaKxt5k&
Vampire Killer (Any version really) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMcyE5oipUU&
Chapel of Dissonance (HoD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5tSgqPLbpU&
Marble Corridor (HoD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ENmrNA6ifc&
Dance of Illusion (Any Version) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jm6SFOBzLts&
Iron Blue Intention (BL) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usa_0WaaKKA&
Bloody Tears (Any Version) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgkxSkF7QOU&
Silent Prison (PoR) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUZ8r9MJczQ&
Opus of Blood (RoB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjuaVAAsC4o&
 

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If SSB4 comes out before gen 6, then Zoroark will most likely be in. He is basically the Lucario of 5th gen, being a non-legendary and having his own movie.

Also, I think he looks cool and depending on the movie, I think he could have a lot of possibilities.
 

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tell me you don't see it in ssb4, mega man (or mega man x, or mmzero, or mmzx, i prefer X so his up b can be mmx3 dash any direction) can have all iteration's musics like
Dr. Wily Stage 1 (MM2) my personal favorite of the original
overclocked remixes Brainsick Metal - Opening stage, Spark Mandrill stage, Storm eagle stage
Mega Man Zero 2 - Departure. My favorite of the zero series i havent passed it yet, as soon as im done with it ill play MMZ 3 then Z4... it is possible that in those games there is an even better musichttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZe_9WjfshA&feature=related
i dont have a ds so i cannot input a defense for ZX.
Go X... Go Storm Eagle!

oh forgot about star force and nt warrior
battle moves for them are exactly like in onimusha blade warriors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6COdVv_TlgA&feature=related
 

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Here is my list for Rockman music:

Cutman (MM1)
Rockman 2 Medley (MM2)
Snakeman (MM3)
Drillman (MM4)
Napalmman (MM5)
Knightman (MM6)
Slashman (MM7)
Frostman (MM8)
Dynamoman (MM&B)
Timeman (MM:pU)
Magmaman (MM9)
Someone from Megaman 10

Dr. Wily's Castle (Megaman 2)
Megaman's Theme (Megaman 4)
Protomans Whistle Song (Megaman 3)
Bass' Theme (Megaman 7)
 

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Okay, I'm pretty sure we've found our Pokemon for SSB4. Zoroark, who was discussed briefly earlier in the thread, seems to be the most likely choice for a new Pokemon at this time. If SSB4 is held off until around the time of the sixth generation, though, don't expect this guy.

The only question that remains is, Mewtwo or Lucario? Don't go for who you WANT to stay, go for who you think would logically make the final cut. Only one of them can really. Here is what I think the Pokemon roster will look like:

-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff (she's not leaving, deal with it)
-Pokemon Trainer
-Lucario or Mewtwo?
-Zoroark
 

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The only question that remains is, Mewtwo or Lucario? Don't go for who you WANT to stay, go for who you think would logically make the final cut. Only one of them can really.
How can we go about "logically" predicting this kind of thing. We're all going on our criteria and rubrics in this. I could very well say that it's neither and Kumatora will be a playable character instead.
 

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How can we go about "logically" predicting this kind of thing. We're all going on our criteria and rubrics in this. I could very well say that it's neither and Kumatora will be a playable character instead.
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Why even bother to reply to that if your just going to be sarcastic and obnoxious about it? I believe it is possible to use logic to predict who will appear in the next Smash game. I know the roster won't turn out exactly as predicted, but its something I enjoy. I want to see how close I will be to getting it right when the game eventually does come out. If you can't understand that, and all this "logic" stuff is getting on your nerves, then contribute something intelligent to the conversation maybe?

The reason I'm asking people here is because I want to know what people think and what their reasons are. Both Lucario and Mewtwo have pretty good reasons for them to stay, but I really don't think Sakurai will keep both.

Just want to know what people think.
 

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I still say don't bank on this one just yet. This is the first Pokemon from the generation we know about and it suddenly is the most likely? I guess since none of the other ones are known about, this is technically true for the moment, but there's really no evidence that he's the most likley outside the film that's coming out now, and the only proof that the films are what cause a Pokemon to be in the next Smash game is their proximity to the latest Smash game. Given we don't know what that proximity is, you really can't say he's the most likely. =/
 

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ROB was unexpected because everyone thought he was just a generic enemy....although before his status as such, there were quite a few people who suggested him, if I recall.

@Drag0n.

Why wouldn't Lucario be replaced by his hypothetical evolution? If he gets one, its sure to be hyped just as much as Lucario was, and it will likely have the same abilities. A good chunk of people have even theorized that thsi Pokemon Z character is in fact the evolved form of Lucario, and if so, he will be getting his own movie and everything. Of course we really can't know for certain. None of the Pokemon so far have had new evolutions introduced after their apperance in Smash (Pichu and Igglybuff being pre-evos) so no one can really be 100% certain on it, but quite frankly, if it happens it seems like the most logical choice that not only gives us a 5th gen Poke, but also lets us keep Lucario to a degree.
I just do not see why they would replace him anyway. I see no reason to or rhythm to. I think Sakurai does not really use much logic. I just get that impression from him.

I still say don't bank on this one just yet. This is the first Pokemon from the generation we know about and it suddenly is the most likely? I guess since none of the other ones are known about, this is technically true for the moment, but there's really no evidence that he's the most likley outside the film that's coming out now, and the only proof that the films are what cause a Pokemon to be in the next Smash game is their proximity to the latest Smash game. Given we don't know what that proximity is, you really can't say he's the most likely. =/
Just looking at the pokemon franchise, I honestly think the movies/TV series are what determines the most popular pokemon.

Think about it, before the TV show, Pikachu and Jiggs were just common pokemon. The starters got more attention. Then the TV show hit and both of them hit major popularity. Pichu got screen time in the pokemon movie pre-skits and being related to pikachu gave him the uber boost he needed.

Now if we look at fan suggestions for brawl, all were based around the anime in a way. Blizaken, Deoxys, and Gardivour (her pop is from a different source) were the main three I always saw. All three were either popular in the anime or Movies.

Lucario has his own movie, which gave him face value. Hell, before the gen was even well known, fans were guessing Lucario because of the movie. He made it in.

Judging by all this, it is safe to assume that the Anime/Movies is a good predictor (not 100% perfect, but a good one) in determining the next popular pokemon. If this new Were wolf evolution for Lucario (looks similar to me) is getting his own movie, then I beleive that it will be the next face of the series.
 

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I still say don't bank on this one just yet. This is the first Pokemon from the generation we know about and it suddenly is the most likely? I guess since none of the other ones are known about, this is technically true for the moment, but there's really no evidence that he's the most likley outside the film that's coming out now, and the only proof that the films are what cause a Pokemon to be in the next Smash game is their proximity to the latest Smash game. Given we don't know what that proximity is, you really can't say he's the most likely. =/
This.

While Zoroark does seem to be a good candidate for SSB4, there's no way to know if there will be a new generation of Pokemon by the time SSB4 is released, or even if another Pokemon of his generation will surpass him in popularity/significance. Is he an impossible/irrational pick? No. But I wouldn't go around saying he's as good as in quite yet.
 

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Why even bother to reply to that if your just going to be sarcastic and obnoxious about it? I believe it is possible to use logic to predict who will appear in the next Smash game. I know the roster won't turn out exactly as predicted, but its something I enjoy. I want to see how close I will be to getting it right when the game eventually does come out. If you can't understand that, and all this "logic" stuff is getting on your nerves, then contribute something intelligent to the conversation maybe?
I wasn't being sarcastic. You know Toise and I hate the whole slot theory (one of the few things we agree on) and you can't predict something like this. You can try to find patterns in character prominence in recent games and the most recent characters, but you can only interpret that as "clues" to the roster. I could look at the clouds in the photos of Nintendo big shots for clues and use that as my base.

What do you suppose I contribute to the conversation? I'm one of the few people here willing to discuss gameplay until it gets shifted back to characters as per usual.

Hey, instead of this Pokemon stuff we constantly go into circles with, how about we discuss ideas how to improve the online modes?
 

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@Drag0n:

As I said before, the Pokemon who have gotten in supposedly due to populairty were popular at the time of development. Blaziken and Deoxys were popular in the anime/movies (Gardevoir didn't show as much in them, but gained popularity outside of that. Possibly influenced by fetishists) but they weren't as popular at the time that Brawl came out. Thus you can't bank on this guy being a sure pick because we don't know when the next Smash comes out. There could be another 5th gen Pokemon that gets a lot of attention after this guy, and be popular at the time the next Smash starts up. There could be 6th gen stuff poping up too. We really can't say. Thus, this character has a chance, but how large a change it is, is yet to be fully realized.

In regards to Lucario though, again it may have to tie into popularity, but I would think that a Lucario evo would get the same type of anime/movie treatment that Lucario got itself. In that case, I would think more people would like the most evolved form, as that's usually what people prefer.
 

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The fact that gen 6 may come before ssb4 is quite possible, but if you notice, the new gens are taking longer and longer to be released. So a generation six pokemon IS possible, but I wouldnt bet on it. What about another remake tho?
A third gen?
I expect the third gens will become rarer and rarer as pkmn games come out. So a third gen remake is plausable.
 

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Not easy, but it's fun, isn't it?

Metal Gear had 9, Sonic had 12, your Mega Man has 14. I wouldn't call that too big.

Some of the tracks I've never cared for (Pharaoh Man and Galaxy Man especially), but that's probably just me not being that into in the general style of Mega Man music. Liking the idea with medleys, I'd actually prefer it if most of the Robot Master themes came through that since there's just way too many of them for most fans to settle on. And I'd be very sad if the full Protoman theme wasn't in.

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Not gonna lie, you lose like 10 cool points for having two songs from HoD (even if they were "good" ones) and the most oboe-y track in PoR. No CV3 entirely and the lack of other Classicvania songs outside of the recurring tracks is pretty weak too. You get some cool points back for Iron Blue Intention though.

You should uh, stick to Mega Man.



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You could call me Professor P.J. McFrankenberry III or dicknose for all I care, as long as you don't use Japanese pronouns.



The reason I'm asking people here is because I want to know what people think and what their reasons are. Both Lucario and Mewtwo have pretty good reasons for them to stay, but I really don't think Sakurai will keep both.
One of the problems I have with most people supporting slot theory is that they assume characters are designed to be replaced, despite A) only two characters in Brawl come off as replacements and B) the characters they "replaced" were planned to appear along with them from the beginning.

Also it's kinda strange how some people believe a series that prides itself on nostalgia should "move on" in regards to its strongest element, don't you think?
 

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Why even bother to reply to that if your just going to be sarcastic and obnoxious about it? I believe it is possible to use logic to predict who will appear in the next Smash game. I know the roster won't turn out exactly as predicted, but its something I enjoy. I want to see how close I will be to getting it right when the game eventually does come out. If you can't understand that, and all this "logic" stuff is getting on your nerves, then contribute something intelligent to the conversation maybe?

The reason I'm asking people here is because I want to know what people think and what their reasons are. Both Lucario and Mewtwo have pretty good reasons for them to stay, but I really don't think Sakurai will keep both.

Just want to know what people think.
I say it again.

Mewtwo because Lucario is a nobody with Generation 5 while Mewtwo is classic, iconic, and more villainous. Lucario, as of know, is the face of the 4th gen, but with generation 5, generation 4 is just a lame series of 93 Pokemon from yesteryear. Ask anyone, Pokefan or not, which generation is the best and 9/10 will say, "Generation 1". People look at Generation 1 as the Golden Years of the series and Mewtwo was the icon MoFo of that time. Lucario is just an awkward type combination (really now, where is his steel) that people liked int he 4th gen, just like people liked Deoxys of the third gen and Suicune of the second, neither will get in now because former gens (outside first) are all equal in their genericy while Generation 1 and [presumably] 5 have a distinct excitement factor over the others.
 

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Not easy, but it's fun, isn't it?

Metal Gear had 9, Sonic had 12, your Mega Man has 14. I wouldn't call that too big.

Some of the tracks I've never cared for (Pharaoh Man and Galaxy Man especially), but that's probably just me not being that into in the general style of Mega Man music. Liking the idea with medleys, I'd actually prefer it if most of the Robot Master themes came through that since there's just way too many of them for most fans to settle on. And I'd be very sad if the full Protoman theme wasn't in.


Not gonna lie, you lose like 10 cool points for having two songs from HoD (even if they were "good" ones) and the most oboe-y track in PoR. No CV3 entirely and the lack of other Classicvania songs outside of the recurring tracks is pretty weak too. You get some cool points back for Iron Blue Intention though.

You should uh, stick to Mega Man.
I made both of them up on the spot, ya mook. If I didn't do it like that, I'd lose interest. If you've got better Castlevania songs, you post em' instead of just generally suggesting games to take from. And nuts to you about the HoD stuff. Say what you want about the game, but those two songs were good.

But I admit, I'm not as well versed in Castlevania as I am with MM.

Pharoah Man, I must admit was just a fan pick of mine, since I love that song. Shade Man goes under this too. (Though its also because Bass's theme is so dull) Galaxy Man is one of the more popular tracks to my understanding, plus I do like it myself. Tornado Man was a mix of the fact that I liked it, along with the fact that it was sort of MM9 "main theme" even more so than the main theme for awhile. One problem I do have in retrospect though is Proto Man's theme....its really not fit for a robot factory or Wily castle stage. =/
 

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midna's lament didnt fit in the stage, bridge of eldin. i used it in custom stages... anyways people like the protoman whistle, myself as well

this link isn't for a possible music entry, its just for fun. it has the protoman whistle in the beginning.
Unrest in the House of Light

what oldie song does this sound like? it has riled me for a long time.
Light up the Night

if and only if ssb4 executive wants to include a great song from the genre of mega man though no real connection to the game is cyber-reality to the series, i want this song in like Sonic Boom was in for Sonic's stage, create a loop somewhere.
The Hounds
all songs are owned by The Protomen.
 

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if they can get around the Disney Copyright, sure.

otherwise, like Naruto and Spider-Man, no chance.
Naruto? Spider-Man?
disgusting.

im glad they cant be put in the ssb series, they wouldnt fit.
 

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I made both of them up on the spot, ya mook. If I didn't do it like that, I'd lose interest. If you've got better Castlevania songs, you post em' instead of just generally suggesting games to take from. And nuts to you about the HoD stuff. Say what you want about the game, but those two songs were good.

But I admit, I'm not as well versed in Castlevania as I am with MM.
Okay, well generally they like to bunch up the three NES songs (Vampire Killer, Bloody Tears, and Beginning) and they're big on Divine Bloodlines. Thought it was weird that you didn't list them.

So the two you missed:

Beginning (CV3)
Divine Bloodlines (RoB)

and then a bunch that originated from Classicvanias (Toise's Choices):

Wicked Child (CV)
Don't Wait Until Night (HC) / Heart of Fire (CV) [Julius's Theme in Aria]
Clockwork (CV3)
Mad Forest (CV3)
Riddle (CV3)
The Trick Manor (SCV4)
Battle of the Holy (CVA)

I'd list some Igavania music but I'm too lazy and honestly don't care for those ones nearly as much as the old stuff.


Pharoah Man, I must admit was just a fan pick of mine, since I love that song. Shade Man goes under this too. (Though its also because Bass's theme is so dull) Galaxy Man is one of the more popular tracks to my understanding, plus I do like it myself. Tornado Man was a mix of the fact that I liked it, along with the fact that it was sort of MM9 "main theme" even more so than the main theme for awhile. One problem I do have in retrospect though is Proto Man's theme....its really not fit for a robot factory or Wily castle stage. =/
Well I can't give you guff for picking tracks you like, can I? As long as you've got a bunch of the more recurring songs there everything's fine.

As for Protoman's theme, what qualifies as "fit" for you? Almost every stage in Brawl had songs that were either thematically mismatched (snow and forest themes on the Halberd) or "not that good to fight to" (most AC music). Plus it's one of the classics, even if it's mostly remembered for its intro. Why ditch it?
 

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Gosh if sora was in brawl i would wet myself!
Yes if Sora got in that would be interesting, but like Lordvaati said, disney has partial rights to Sora, Riku Ansem ect. So chances are if any Square Enix characters get in it will be either a final fantasy character or a dragonquest character.

FYI, you dbz fans, the artist for the dbz manga also drew the dragonquest characters ;)
Soo at least you can kinda root for dbz?
hahaa.

Ridley, whats the biggest reason for Ridley to not get in SSB4? Dont give me the "He's too big" crap either! After all on the begining Video clip in melee he is hardly bigger than samus.
 

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Okay, well generally they like to bunch up the three NES songs (Vampire Killer, Bloody Tears, and Beginning) and they're big on Divine Bloodlines. Thought it was weird that you didn't list them.

So the two you missed:

Beginning (CV3)
Divine Bloodlines (RoB)

and then a bunch that originated from Classicvanias (Toise's Choices):

Wicked Child (CV)
Don't Wait Until Night (HC) / Heart of Fire (CV) [Julius's Theme in Aria]
Clockwork (CV3)
Mad Forest (CV3)
Riddle (CV3)
The Trick Manor (SCV4)
Battle of the Holy (CVA)

I'd list some Igavania music but I'm too lazy and honestly don't care for those ones nearly as much as the old stuff.
I really am kicking myself for not including Begning. I guess there were probably some other things I could have looked for from Judgment, which I assume is mostly music from other parts of the series.


Well I can't give you guff for picking tracks you like, can I? As long as you've got a bunch of the more recurring songs there everything's fine.

As for Protoman's theme, what qualifies as "fit" for you? Almost every stage in Brawl had songs that were either thematically mismatched (snow and forest themes on the Halberd) or "not that good to fight to" (most AC music). Plus it's one of the classics, even if it's mostly remembered for its intro. Why ditch it?
When I say something doesn't fit, its not quite the same as "not good to fight to" but rather just doesn't fit the tone of the stage. A stage based around a robot factor or Dr. Wily's Castle doesn't really match up to well with a very relaxed song like that, though I have no objection to having a relaxed song to speak of.

In addition, a good deal of the songs that don't quite fit in Brawl are generally ones that fit in other places of the game, most notably SSE. Frozen Hillside was used for that ice mountain in SSE, and I assume the team just decided to throw it into Halberd as well because it was already there. Of course there are a few that still stick out though, such as Forest & Nature area, which was not used in the SSE, and to my knowledge isn't a track that anyone actually likes. How that got in is beyond me. Whatever the case though, just because there were miss matched themes in Brawl, doesn't mean the trend should continue. Proto Man's theme is a great, and that's why I put it in there, but I just don't see how it would really mesh up to a more chaotic stage.

Edit: The first song I opened up from that list was Riddle...Ugh, brings back memories from OoE of those trial areas.
 

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Actually I liked a lot of songs that were deleted.

Like Ballad of the Windfish remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT6axrioIjw

Falco, The loner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQJ713Udbt4

Smiles and Tears (Earthbound)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjed8WdGSyk

Hippie Battle Theme (Why did you take this out!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NT6CwXLxYg

The Chosen Ones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jdb6y00Meo

Also I would like a full NES Punch out remix and not just famicon melody
The vid is old but still one of my favorites and why Little Mac should be put in SSB4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiBER4iVwCw

The DBZ artist also did the artwork for Chrono Trigger as well.
 

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When I say something doesn't fit, its not quite the same as "not good to fight to" but rather just doesn't fit the tone of the stage. A stage based around a robot factor or Dr. Wily's Castle doesn't really match up to well with a very relaxed song like that, though I have no objection to having a relaxed song to speak of.

In addition, a good deal of the songs that don't quite fit in Brawl are generally ones that fit in other places of the game, most notably SSE. Frozen Hillside was used for that ice mountain in SSE, and I assume the team just decided to throw it into Halberd as well because it was already there. Of course there are a few that still stick out though, such as Forest & Nature area, which was not used in the SSE, and to my knowledge isn't a track that anyone actually likes. How that got in is beyond me. Whatever the case though, just because there were miss matched themes in Brawl, doesn't mean the trend should continue. Proto Man's theme is a great, and that's why I put it in there, but I just don't see how it would really mesh up to a more chaotic stage.

Edit: The first song I opened up from that list was Riddle...Ugh, brings back memories from OoE of those trial areas.
Don't diss the Kirby Forest and Nature track!


Metalman, Snakeman, Galaxyman, Knightman, Cutman, would all be better choices for indoor music. I could see Protoman's Whistle working well if it was remixed properly. One song I would really like to see is the Complete Works version of Gravityman's Theme, it is very good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jifo5gUSXi4

Though one thing, personally, I feel "Wily Castle" should have is a giant window centered in the middle of the stage with lightning flashing and rain falling. To give the stage some "freedom" and prevent it from becoming to claustrophobic. It would also enhance the setting without compromising the overall mechanical/indoor feel. I envisioned it similar to this.

 
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