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I still think a Semi-Triforce Slash type would be better or They just get called and do a Hurricane Spin around the stage.....(Oops.....Super Sonic much......)
That's what n88's idea was in the first place, unless I'm misunderstanding one of you guys.
Personally, I think that the Final Smash system needs a revamp. Remember that super meter idea? The super move (along with possibly boosted specials) would be the Final Smash's new form. These would not be game breaking, let alone OTK moves. Some can only be done only on the ground, while others can be used anywhere.
Have you ever played the Marvel vs Capcom games? That's how I picture the supermeters working.
I know this is sorta old, but I want to touch on it for a second.
I agree with this. I love how Smash is simple, yet can become very deep and competitive if you want it too, with ATs and what not.
This better?
Do you have a source for this? I understand not making some drastic changes, but I still feel that Ganondorf SHOULD have his own moveset. It doesn't seem right to have one of the most iconic videogame characters have a moveset based off of a much lesser known character. The moveset he has is somewhat fitting, but it's missing the iconic stuff he's known for like the energy balls, a levitating ability, and using a weapon. Imagine if Link, save possibly his Up B, was a clone of Marth, and you'll see what I'm getting at.
I'm all for simplicity, but it shouldn't be so simple that people don't feel like finding the hidden stuff in there. Ultimately, I want to see people getting better with characters because they take time to practice with their characters.
Sorry if this is late but I wanted to clear things up, I meant that they would Hurricane Spin around the stage each doing something different......That's what n88's idea was in the first place, unless I'm misunderstanding one of you guys.
How the heck is it complicated? I was a newbie to Street Fighter back in February, and I figured out the controls and everything in a week, but it helped that I looked in the manual in order to understand everything better. Besides, Teching/Ukemi is a known technique if you go to the website, but these need to be in the manual, or at least addressed in the How to Play video.Sorry if this is late but I wanted to clear things up, I meant that they would Hurricane Spin around the stage each doing something different......
as for the smash meter......I say no because it would be to complicated for casuals. I mean you just proved why it shouldn't be done, Teching? most casuals don't even know what that is let alone how to do so. And the whether it hits or not? You'd just see people in corners doing smash attacks not hitting anyone
No official source (unless I wanna dig through my Sakurai Files right now, which I don't because I'm eating), but look at every veteran character. How many of them have had anything beyond a few tweaks per game? All the old content changes gradually instead of radically; the new stuff is what introduces the more innovative ideas.
I could be wrong, but this sounds more like a complaint that Brawl isn't competitively deep enough for you. Subjective, so I won't argue it. But I will say that complexity doesn't equal depth. Smash Bros. got to where it is because of its simplicity.
Yeah, sounds like Super Punch-Out!! alright. In that game, everything revolved around immediately building up your "super meter" and you'd finish the match in 15 seconds. There's a reason why they didn't bring it back in the Wii game.
Well, I didn't stop playing Brawl because I found it shallow. I stopped because I got bored with it. Anyway, I was probably exaggerating when I said it took me a week. I didn't have access to it for part of that time. The biggest trouble for me was the charge characters and dashing, but that was because I didn't look at the time.
Is it simple? Yes, but it's gimmicky and changes the situation more so than the super meter. I may not have been clear on this, but there are no Final Smash levels. You can just use part of it for a super special move like a triple fireball for Mario. I also mentioned combination inputs because you may not want to use the Final Smash or super special move right away for a reason.
This is true, but I'm talking about punishing the opponent in the most damaging way possible, properly using the character's moves, and overall strategies, but this all comes with experience so we're close on that thought.
I'm curious to hear your ideas on this system. One other user, whose name unfortunately escapes me right now, had a system involving the meter gradually draining so as to discourage camping.
If by gimmicky you mean "the same as all the other items in the game," then sure.
I'm more than willing to continue this conversation as you're one of the more intelligent posters here. I enjoy a good challenge.
That's why I'd like to see the system revamped.I really didn't have a problem w/ the Smash Ball except for when you hit it like 10 times and then the other person gets it after 3 times............
I wouldn't call randomness fair in this case. It's like saying items are okay in competitive play.
No, they are still fair, since they have the same chance for happening to each player. In a competetive setting though, it does screw things up though, since that fairness only matters to one person at a time, and thus may not be a full test of skill. What you're thinking of is that everyone has the same advantages the whole way through, and the only thing that should determine who wins, is who is simply better at the game. That doesn't change the fact that items are still fair in how they appear, and who they appear for, and that while its possible that a skilled player may lose a match because the other one got a lucky bomb to throw at them, there still is the same chance that the skilled player may get that bomb and beats the unskilled player with it. What was different about the Smash Ball though is that it wasn't automatic, and if it spawned right next to you, it still may not have been yours.
Maybe it's because I view balance in an entirely different way, but I cannot think of how that can be even considered balancing. The random factor is too big for there to be a fair match.
I think this sums up your entire train of thought.
They are more popular than you may think. And what else could prai_mai be? Any ideas? And I know for a fact that Popo and Nana share a texture file. And Im pretty sure they share PAC files too.