[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

The fact that the Mario characters popularity is such that they are more well known than K.Rool should still speak loads for them anyways. Still, its not like if the Mario series gets a new character added to them that it automatically makes it so that the Donkey Kong series can't get one too.

I understand that and I'm not as much saying it won't happen as I am saying I hope it won't.

Bowser Junior could very well get in, I won't like it but I'll deal. i just don't like seeing series with 5 reps while Other series get the shaft.

 

[n88]

Then by that logic Geno should get in, he has a lot of popularit, no?

And didn;t you yourself say a characte shoudlnt; get in soley on being a villain?

Geno has mediocre popularity. Mostly because nobody knows who he is.

Yes, but he's very important to the Mario series. That was more the point I was trying to make.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Sorry, my mistake

So you thing they need both popularity and series importance?

 

[.WC.]

I understand that and I'm not as much saying it won't happen as I am saying I hope it won't.

Bowser Junior could very well get in, I won't like it but I'll deal. i just don't like seeing series with 5 reps while Other series get the shaft.

Every series needs a new rep, imho. At least one. Except for Yoshi, Wario, Olimar and the retro chars.

Geno has mediocre popularity. Mostly because nobody knows who he is.

People need to play oldschool videogames. SMRPG was actually a great game.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Man you guys are fast, I don't think I'll direct quote any of these.


The only candidates for new Mario characters are Bowser Jr. and Toad, and even they have obstacles to prevent them from being obvious picks.

Bowser Jr. would be fine, except a significant number of fans hate him and wish he'd go away. Toad is more popular and widely accepted by the fans in general, but I'm pretty sure Sakurai wants him to do more in the main games. NSMBWii might be enough, it might not. Iffy right now though.

Daisy and Waluigi have the same problem with half the fanbase not liking them too much. Plus, you know, they haven't done anything in the main games.

Paper Mario and Dr. Mario are in the game already. "Well, we had Doc before, and two Links!" Except the two in Melee were roster fillers and Toon Link actually rivals Adult Link in popularity (rivals, but doesn't exceed). None of the "____ Mario" characters can compare that way.

I'm glad I don't have to explain Geno.

DK and Wario characters are not Mario characters. There's a reason why they don't appear in the main Mario games (and only sometimes in the spinoffs). And lastly, the average fan knows who King K. Rool is. DKC was massive.


Oh yeah, Pieman, if you can read Google-Japanese, here's your source on the Bowser/Mewtwo/Dedede in 64 bit. I hope this link doesn't mess up.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

I am indifferen towards Bowser Jr. himself, but i just don't like him being in Smash over anyone else at all.

 

[n88]

I am indifferen towards Bowser Jr. himself, but i just don't like him being in Smash over anyone else at all.

That's not really being indifferent.

@Toise
I think Doc has a chance of returning, if only as filler. Also, I'm holding out for Rosalina to get important before SSB4 comes out.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I apologize if this is off-topic, but I have a question: If Nintendo releases a new FE game by the time Smash 4 comes out, what would most likely be the newest lord's looks, personality, fighting style, and other stuff?

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Hmmm...I am indefferent towards Bowser Jr. As a character.

In smash I am very much against him.

Better?

As for the Fe lord, there isn't really a trend, you'll have to wait and see, or ask a Fe analysis expert for some undelying probablitliy patter, thing.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Also, I'm holding out for Rosalina to get important before SSB4 comes out.

If she does show up in Smash, I hope that she'll get that biker outfit, from Mario Kart Wii, as an alternate costume.

 

[n88]

Hmmm...I am indefferent towards Bowser Jr. As a character.

In smash I am very much against him.

Better?

As for the Fe lord, there isn't really a trend, you'll have to wait and see, or ask a Fe analysis expert for some undelying probablitliy patter, thing.

Ah thanks for clearing that up.

If she does show up in Smash, I hope that she'll get that biker outfit, from Mario Kart Wii, as an alternate costume.

That is a very uh... interesting choice of smiley. Anyway, the biker outfit is possible, but it would be kind of out of character. I wasn't crazy about her having it in the first place. She's one of very, very few serious Mario characters.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

@Toise
I think Doc has a chance of returning, if only as filler. Also, I'm holding out for Rosalina to get important before SSB4 comes out.

If Wolf is considered filler, then yeah, possibly. I don't really see him that way though, given the distinctions between him and Fox (and Falco). So as far as I can tell, we won't see any Melee-type filler characters. Although if he does the alt costume/model/whatever thing, yeah definitely.

I hope Galaxy 2 doesn't suck.

I apologize if this is off-topic, but I have a question: If Nintendo releases a new FE game by the time Smash 4 comes out, what would most likely be the newest lord's looks, personality, fighting style, and other stuff?

IS has been hinting at an all-star cast kind of game that appeals to a wider audience, so potentially we may just see existing characters for now (which might emphasize the three from Smash).

For a new game though? No news yet.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I apologize if this is off-topic, but I have a question: If Nintendo releases a new FE game by the time Smash 4 comes out, what would most likely be the newest lord's looks, personality, fighting style, and other stuff?

how can we possibly be able to tell you that? they are most likely going to have a sword. (would prefer lance) but that's just wishful thinking and that's if they make another FE before most likely they will but we can't be sure.

 

[n88]

If Wolf is considered filler, then yeah, possibly. I don't really see him that way though, given the distinctions between him and Fox (and Falco). So as far as I can tell, we won't see any Melee-type filler characters. Although if he does the alt costume/model/whatever thing, yeah definitely.

I hope Galaxy 2 doesn't suck.

Yeah, Wolf just needs a new special or two to be not considered a clone by a variety of people. I'm unsure of what our filler will be.

Why would Galaxy 2 suck? Galaxy was great.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

My own personal fears of it being kind of a disappointment like Sunshine.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

I disagree....

Galaxy was my least favorite Mario Game. ever.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Here's a list of some likely filler fighters.

Paper Mario, Dr. Mario, Kat & Ana, Vaati, Midna, Black Shadow, Plusle & Minun, most FE lords excluding Marth and Ike, Masked Man, Porky, Mach Rider, Waluigi, Daisy, Rosalina, Glass Joe, Mr. Sandman, most other PO characters, Skull Kid, Young Link, Chibi-Robo, and some others.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Whatever, those pinball levels were awful.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

...Do you know what filler means?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

...Do you know what filler means?

Of course: A fighter added to finish on schedule or to fill up some space on the roster.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Paper Mario, Dr. Mario, Kat & Ana, Vaati, Midna, Black Shadow, Plusle & Minun, most FE lords excluding Marth and Ike, Masked Man, Porky, Mach Rider, Waluigi, Daisy, Rosalina, Glass Joe, Mr. Sandman, most other PO characters, Skull Kid, Young Link, Chibi-Robo, and some others.

I wouldn't expect to see all of THOSE make it in...Maybe a few, but not all of those characters.

Still, a few of them could get unique movesets.

On a side note, Mr. Sandman is officially my favorite Punch-Out character. :bigthumbu

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

Why would chibi-robo be a filler? Aren't fillers usually based off another character with much inspiration from another (i.e. clonish?) with the only exception Wolf?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Jigglypuff was a filler in Brawl, though it was a joke character in the first two games.

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

But who would these other characters be based on, Wolf was the only filler character to be made into a unique chaarcter, as far I can recal...Jigglypuff already existed

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

Filler: lame clone character that no one likes, nobody asked for, and doesn't do anything special

Doc and Pichu are universally agreed to be filler.

Young/Toon Link, Roy, Falco, and Wolf could be argued to be filler, though all of them are popular and make a very clear distinction between themselves and the characters they share movesets with.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I have an idea for a new item: A kusarigama!

I would appreciate suggestions for how it could be used.

 

[mariorocks64]

stage builder needs to be better. texture edit for stage builder would be great along with custom blocks to make.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

stage builder needs to be better. texture edit for stage builder would be great along with custom blocks to make.

and the ability to create ledges where ever you want. the ability to have platforms overlap and other things.

 

[Big-Cat]

EDIT: Geno is a totally different case, since he doesn't actually have any real significance to the series/is third party for a company with much more popular characters) Plus Geno's popularity mostly comes from the internet crowd, while the mainstream fans probably have no idea who he is.

Also in regards to Mewtwo, if Sakurai really favored him, he would have gotten in instead of Jiggs. Still, do we really have any official list of characters who were intended, yet cut from the original? Last I heard, it was Meowth who was pottentially going to get into that game. (And quite frankly would have made more sense in the long run than Jiggs)

I never seem to get much of an answer on this, but what exactly is the mainstream crowd? Are we talking about everyone in the world or what? As for Geno, as I explained earlier, he is pretty much a Ensemble Darkhorse.

I think Jigglypuff was worked on over Mewtwo was because she was one of the original 12. Mewtwo may be more popular, but I wouldn't take out something that's been in Smash since day 1. Meowth was a rumor from what I hear.

Paper Mario and Dr. Mario are in the game already. "Well, we had Doc before, and two Links!" Except the two in Melee were roster fillers and Toon Link actually rivals Adult Link in popularity (rivals, but doesn't exceed). None of the "____ Mario" characters can compare that way.

There's another big difference between the Links and the Marios. Link and Toon Link together make up the whole series: the mature styled games and the cel-shaded games. Paper and Dr. Mario, on the other hand, come from spinoff series.

 

[Mr.-0]

What if we had a custimize your own character type thingy in SSB4? would that work?

 

[Hero.]

For Palutena's sake, mariorocks64, will you please be patient!? Sakurai's got other things to do at the moment.

I mean, really. Don't you want to wait and see how Smash will look once it's made for the next console (which will most likely come in a few years)? You should play some other games to keep you waiting, especially with the upcoming ones (Sin & Punishment 2, No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle, Metroid: Other M, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, etc).

Just stop pestering us with this. Please.

I just looked up this game because I never heard of the prequel and it looks pretty nice. You think the characters from this game could be put in the next smash bros game? Even though I don't know the characters I'm more of a the more the merrier kind of person when it comes to smash. As long as the characters make sense.

 

[BBQTV]

if this game gets made will it be on another system or on will like when will they make another system if they dont it would be on wii.

 

[DekuBoy]

I miss the regular posters who made sense. These new people who can't spell put me off this thread.

SSB4 will be on a new console if one comes out. Which Iwata confirmed.

 

[mariorocks64]

I always wondered if its possible to hack brawl to turn it to you version of SSB4. would it work in the distant future?

 

[lordvaati]

They didn't ONLY market to the hardcore crowd, some games were fairly accessible for casuals. I'm still not sure as to how the GC sold so bad, it's still a question to me. Also, the N64 sold great, what are you talking about? About all Nintendo fans can probably agree that the N64 was Nintendo's best era of gaming. Also, they didn't appease to new fans. They only have new fans with the trail of 5 year olds and soccer moms they currently have with the Wii. Their NEW nintendo games are generally agreed by fans that they are not as superior as their GC/N64 counterparts. Compare Ocarina of Time and TP, Compare Super Mario 64 to Galaxy, see my point? Fans had a right to complain with the way Nintendo has been treating them for the past few years with the Wii. They completely stabbed them in the back with this wave of casual s***. They only care about their money, not with their true fans who played a major part in getting Nintendo to where they are. And with a company that has no intention of going back to their old successful ways, why should a hardcore gamer support Nintendo?

The only game (besides the Mario Party/sports games) that catered to casuals at that time was Animal Crossing, but even that had NES games to play. the N64 WOULD have been (and should have been) the best Nintendo system ever (Best Mario and Zelda games in the series, first 3D system, the first ever M-rated game by Nintendo), BUT it had huge flaws- mostly due to a huge fallout between them and their former Second party company, Square. This is where the major problem with Nintendo began- lack of third party support. all of the critically acclaimed games (except Goldeneye) on the N64 were only Nintendo games, and everything else was an underrated cult classic. this was what cost them the console war of the N64 era and what nearly killed them in the GC era- besides, most fans actually consider the SNES as the best Nintendo system(yours truly included.)

And they didn't complain about the game's quailities-because the games are still good. You make it sound like Galaxy and TP were crushing disappointments worse then the CD-i games, when that's obviously not true. yes they were not quite as good as 64 or Ocarina, but then again, do you see Konami fans saying the company is abandoning them because they haven't made a game as good as SOTN? or Capcom fans saying that because MM9 was not as great as MM2? no. Besides, what they were complaining about was that THEY DIDN'T GET more games- which is sad, because 3 new Marios, 2 new Zeldas, a new Metroid, a new Professor Layton, a new Golden sun, and a new Sin and Punishment should be more than enough. Yes, there are Casual games, but a ton of said games are based of games from the past. Wii Fit/Wii sports is pretty much World Class track Meet, Brain Age is DK jr. Math, and Warioware:Myself is Mario Paint combined with...well, Warioware. and Professor Layton is an Adventure game, which is one of the ORIGINAL hardcore gaming genres. It's like I said, they are catering to EVERYONE-and developers noticed, when the Wii and DS started getting more diverse games on their systems, like HOTD Madworld and a GTA game. but no "fans" noticed. big surprise.

 

[.WC.]

I miss the regular posters who made sense. These new people who can't spell put me off this thread.

SSB4 will be on a new console if one comes out. Which Iwata confirmed.

I'm new. :/

Of course there's going to be a new console. And obviously SSB4 will be on it. All a way to make more money.

 

[Pieman0920]

I don't like the term "filler" for this type of thing but if I had to guess, it would be a late addition character who is almost certainly a clone (Or in Jigg's case, just a character who is imported over) I don't think said character has to be someone no one likes or anything, but rather just someone who wasn't really important to make it in the round one picks. Out of MtJ's list, I'd say the technical filler characters could be...PM (Though just barely. I'd think PM would require quite a bit of work to add in, so he wouldn't be likely for a spot like this, but who knows) Doc, Black Shadow, possibly the FE lord thing, depending on what lord (Sigurd, Leaf, Roy, Eliwood, Eirika, and possibly Hector or Lyn but those last ones are pushing it), possibly Masked Man (don't know Mother 3 well enough), possibly Mach Rider as a CF clone, Daisy, Rosalina, and Young Link. I guess the PO characters could be viable for this if Little Mac actually was used, but by that logic any of the other characters MtJ listed could be clones of some other hypothetical character inserted in. Also, I'd like to point out that Mewtwo could theoretically be one of these "filler" characters on the same basis that Jiggs was.


Also, I thought Galaxy (and Sunshine for that matter) were better than Mario 64. :V

 

[Paper Mario Master]

OK anything important that I missed so I don't go ranting or saying something insignificant that somebody else has already done?

 

[lordvaati]

OK anything important that I missed so I don't go ranting or saying something insignificant that somebody else has already done?

I heard that >:

just more character discussion, like usual(I believe about late additions and Toad)

and Pieman, I agree. Sunshine was horribly underrated.

 

[Pieman0920]

Indeed it is. The only real complaint I have about it is that the settings are kind of the same, but outside of that, its a great game. I think Galaxy is a bit better than it, but then again, the two games are actually pretty far apart, Galaxy being much more linear, while Sunshine is more open ended. I guess then yu could say that 64 is a mix then, but it still isn't as fun as either in my opinion. (Still a good game though, don't get me wrong)