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I don't think that Waluigi will be getting a canon role. I think that sheer popularity will force him in as is. You might have noticed that Waluigi is on the majority of all the wishlists that random people post in the thread all the time. Daisy might need another canon appearance, though. Also, I prefer mustard.
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. People do like to root for the underdog. That little number he pulled in Strikers Charged certainly helped things a bit, not to mention being one of the best ATs in Brawl.
Well, Daisy's best chance for a canonical role would be showing up in a Luigi game (if we even get one of those again), so there aren't too many options for her otherwise. Of course, like Waluigi, it's not likely, but it would help.
Eating a hat with mustard? Not exactly my first choice for eating a hat with, but you do seem to have good taste.
So basically, the different Mario candidates for SSB4 are completely undecided. These are the ones with above 0% chance:
Locks:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
(Well, duh)
Possibilities:
Bowser Jr. (Possible Shadow Mario alt.)
Toad
Dr. Mario
Paper Mario
Rosalina
Waluigi
Daisy
The last three on that list are very controversial, but hear me out. Rosalina, I include because she has the potential to become important, especially with Galaxy 2 on the way.
Waluigi, while he could not be more insignificant, has a lot of popularity. If he was not the highest-ranked Mario character on the Brawl polls, I will eat my hat.
Daisy could potnetially be added as a filler clone (Of Peach). Also, she could end up being important if Nintendo makes more Luigi games.
Anyone who says Paper Mario/Krystal/Bowser Jr. could never EVER be clones and that would never ever happen need to stop snorting at the computer.
Paper Mario is MARIO. Even if he's 2-D. He could be a clone as easily as Link/Young Link/Toon Link could be clones of each other. Why? Because they are THE SAME CHARACTER.
If you want to prove me wrong, give me a signed petition of 5,000 people who believe Paper Mario is not Mario and is in no way related to him.
PART TWO...
popularity
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paper mario
bowser jr.
geno
megaman
bomberman
ridley
little mac
great history
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toad
King K. rool
Ridley
Little mac
baloon fighter
bomberman
freshed up
____________
little mac
bub
moveset potential
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paper mario
bowser jr.
daisy
toad
Dixie kong
King K. rool
toon zelda/tetra
little mac
krystal
shy guy
non clone
_________
paper mario
daisy
bowser jr./shadow mario
Galacta knight
dry bowser
unmentioned
_____________
dry bowser
shy guy
galacta knight
marcus mccloud
piplup
best ones so far
______________
paper mario
little mac
bomberman
megaman
This. This makes me sick. Geno and Bomberman aren't really popular compared to the others. I'd even say K. Rool could fit in before them.
Balloon Fighter has no history. Not like the other characters do.
Freshed up? Bub? ...What?
This one makes me want to incinerate you. So badly. Daisy and Shy Guy having more moveset potential than Ridley? My ***.
EVERYONE on that list of "non clones" could very easily be a clone. VERY VERY easily.
Paper Mario is not the best option. He isn't even a good option unless he is an early addition. Bomberman is not. And your lack of Ridley makes me want to burn your ashes.
That's all I have to say on that. Also, I really wouldn't die or be too upset if they swapped Snake and Sonic for Megaman and Simon Belmont.
Yes, I believe Belmont is more deserving than Bomberman. Do not start a flame war with me on this, it wasn't a question.
my lack of ridley on best is what I did on purpose. I don't care about the negative oppinions...
I believe bomberman has the better upper hand next to megaman which I did not add to the list til now
I made movesets for all the people on non-clones list. infact, why care care about adding clones? its gonna happen anyway so you can acceptb it. you can't say paper mario the easiest clone. Bub wasn't as famus as little mac was, but his game still goes on. your correct on balloon fighter.
Toad by no means is a 90% lock. He's really not all too popular, isn't really suited for combat, is already part of another character's moveset, has degraded into a generic race (In opposition, there still is a Yoshi who stands out above the others in his games...and he has his own games) While I could understand why you would want him a lot more than other characters, I really think that saying that he has a 90% chance of getting into the next game is just pushing it way too far.
Toad by no means is a 90% lock. He's really not all too popular, isn't really suited for combat, is already part of another character's moveset, has degraded into a generic race (In opposition, there still is a Yoshi who stands out above the others in his games...and he has his own games) While I could understand why you would want him a lot more than other characters, I really think that saying that he has a 90% chance of getting into the next game is just pushing it way too far.
mr. game & watch isn't suited for combat either. I even have a moveset for toad. I don't post my movesets in MYM6
peach's neutral special can change. it has the same effects, but she uses a heart.
thats all I wnt to say since I too prefer toad over any character.
my lack of ridley on best is what I did on purpose. I don't care about the negative oppinions...
I believe bomberman has the better upper hand next to megaman which I did not add to the list til now
I made movesets for all the people on non-clones list. infact, why care care about adding clones? its gonna happen anyway so you can acceptb it. you can't say paper mario the easiest clone. Bub wasn't as famus as little mac was, but his game still goes on. your correct on balloon fighter.
Which makes no sense. What even constituted the best category? if it was the number of previous categories, (which you missed ridley being in moveset potential), Then Ridley would have been in the best of.
mr. game & watch isn't suited for combat either. I even have a moveset for toad. I don't post my movesets in MYM6
peach's neutral special can change. it has the same effects, but she uses a heart.
thats all I wnt to say since I too prefer toad over any character.
Mr. G&W is probably a bad counter example to use, since of all characters, he's pretty much the only one who's moves are all from his games, instead of being made up. (He's also a lot more important to Nintendo's history than Toad, but that's a dfferent story.)
EDIT: And since you're here Drag0n, I'd like to point out that if Mac incorporated the moves from other boxers in the Punchout series, he easily has enough moves to make it in as a Smash character. Boxers with punches only have been used in other fighters before, so its really not that big of a deal.
Toad by no means is a 90% lock. He's really not all too popular, isn't really suited for combat, is already part of another character's moveset, has degraded into a generic race (In opposition, there still is a Yoshi who stands out above the others in his games...and he has his own games) While I could understand why you would want him a lot more than other characters, I really think that saying that he has a 90% chance of getting into the next game is just pushing it way too far.
R.O.B. was never suited for combat at all and he is in Smash. Look, as long as the character has arms and legs, the character can work in Smash. That's why Slime, Gooey, Mr. Saturn, Diskun, Tamagon, and the like won't be playable in Smash.
And Yoshi does not have his own games. All the Yoshis in the Yoshi games are generic Yoshis. The Yoshi we see in Mario spin-offs was born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS. Yoshi in Smash represents all Yoshis, including the Yoshi from spin-offs. Toad in Smash can represent all Toads, including the Toad from spin-offs.
And Toad being part of Peach's moveset doesn't mean squat. There are more than one Toad in canon games anyway. Let Peach keep Toad as her shield and let another Toad be playable.
Which makes no sense. What even constituted the best category? if it was the number of previous categories, (which you missed ridley being in moveset potential), Then Ridley would have been in the best of.
R.O.B. was never suited for combat at all and he is in Smash. Look, as long as the character has arms and legs, the character can work in Smash. That's why Slime, Gooey, Mr. Saturn, Diskun, Tamagon, and the like won't be playable in Smash.
Doesn't mean they should. I know Toad has the pottential to be in, but given that most of his moveset would have to be made up for him, as well as the fact that he's really not a fighter, are both things that would make his chances for inclusion go under 90%, which is basically near confirmation.
And Yoshi does not have his own games. All the Yoshis in the Yoshi games are generic Yoshis. The Yoshi we see in Mario spin-offs was born at the end of Yoshi's Island DS. Yoshi in Smash represents all Yoshis, including the Yoshi from spin-offs. Toad in Smash can represent all Toads, including the Toad from spin-offs.
There is a main green Yoshi in the Yoshi's Island games. He's the one who starts out in every world in Yoshi's Island, as well as the one who takes on the final boss in that game as well. (This is also true of YI2) Given this, its actually more likely that the Yoshi in Smash is this Yoshi rather than the one who first showed up in SMW, and keeps on showing up in sports games. Even if I were to concede to you that the Yoshi's are all generic, it still is a completely different issue than Toad, since they actually have a game series based around them, while all Toad has is Wario Woods.
And Toad being part of Peach's moveset doesn't mean squat. There are more than one Toad in canon games anyway. Let Peach keep Toad as her shield and let another Toad be playable.
Now that's just silly. You know as well as I do that if Toad really were deemed important enough to get his own spot in Smash Bros, then Peach's neutral B wouldn't be him any more. Still given that his overall importance in the Mario series is lacking at best, he has little popularity to really speak of, and that he's a generic race at this point, I don't see why you need to make him anything more than Peach's neutral B move. Quite frankly, if you were to go and let generic races join the Smash games (and claim that the single one you have there is supposed to represent all of the said character's race) then I would go with something like a Koopa Troopa or a Shy Guy.
the moveset for toad was easy for me to make. It came from mario sports games, mario party 1 and 6, and super mario bros 2, super mario galaxy, and toadsworth's stick which toad would use for back air. I also got it from a quote in super mario RPG.
Funny how all the potential new Mario characters have some major flaw holding them back. Every single one of them.
I remember before Brawl came out, everyone was like "well, obviously we're getting a new Mario character to fill the slot Doc leaves, the real question is who?"
Funny how all the potential new Mario characters have some major flaw holding them back. Every single one of them.
I remember before Brawl came out, everyone was like "well, obviously we're getting a new Mario character to fill the slot Doc leaves, the real question is who?"
Would you like a chocolate bar? Nah, I'm just kiddin'.
If you want to be technical, Wario was the newest Mario character to show up in Brawl. Sure, he has his own spin-off series, but he is a Mario character at heart.
That said, I'm glad that he finally showed up in Smash, even though only 2% of his moves came from the Wario Land/World series.
Now, if only the Wario Land/World sub-series could get represented in the next Smash...
Anyway, expecting new Mario characters in each successive Smash is a high-risk gamble, as we're running out of notable series reps from there.
You are a hypocrite, Pieman. You say Toad shouldn't be given made-up moves and yet you support Mona and wants to make up moves for her based on microgames or her pets or something. You say Toad is not really a fighter... but Mona is not a fighter. At least Toad and Toads had some combat experience... something Mona severely lacks.
If Toad was in Smash, he could throw Poison Mushrooms to shrink characters like he did in Super Mario Kart, use Golden Mushrooms from Mario Kart: Double Dash!! to charge to run and tackle down a character, pull out and throw vegetables from Super Mario Bros. 2, and even hover in the air with the Propeller Suit from New Super Mario Bros. Wii. He would be a speedy lightweight with incredible superstrength contrary to his small size and, if Sakurai wants to, have the ability to run up on walls like in Wario's Woods.
Oh, I love how you argue that "if we let generic races join Smash, we should add Koopa or Shy guy" as an attempt to put down Toad. Toads are far more important than these generic races. You never play as Goomba, Koopa, Shy Guy, etc. in canonical games. They are only playable in spin-off games. But Yoshis and Toads have been playable outside spin-off games. Yoshis and Toads are the most important generic races in Mario canon. Also, Toad is next in line on the Melee poll with 27 votes after Bowser (169), Peach (66), and Wario (65).
toad could also use a bazooka, spin on there heads, use a jetpack, grab people like donkey kong, and use ships.his basic attacks are easy to make up as well. slap in some punches, and kicks, and items like the spear, flag, and a blue hammer. he can also use toadworth's stick.
I also thought up of a fun event match. wanna ear it anyone?
toad could also use a bazooka, spin on there heads, use a jetpack, grab people like donkey kong, and use ships.his basic attacks are easy to make up as well. slap in some punches, and kicks, and items like the spear, flag, and a blue hammer. he can also use toadworth's stick.
I also thought up of a fun event match. wanna ear it anyone?
Would you like a chocolate bar? Nah, I'm just kiddin'.
If you want to be technical, Wario was the newest Mario character to show up in Brawl. Sure, he has his own spin-off series, but he is a Mario character at heart.
That said, I'm glad that he finally showed up in Smash, even though only 2% of his moves came from the Wario Land/World series.
Now, if only the Wario Land/World sub-series could get represented in the next Smash...
Anyway, expecting new Mario characters in each successive Smash is a high-risk gamble, as we're running out of notable series reps from there.
You are right about Wario. Remember, he was grouped as a Mario character on the Melee poll where he was the third most-wanted Mario character. So technically we did get a new Mario character in Brawl. This is just one of the reasons why I think Toad is very likely to be in Smash 4.
event: every man for himself.
giga bowser becomes hurngry for mushrooms. your on his menu unless you get to the hammer.
how to play: its a race to the finish along with a few other toads. when you get to the end, KO giga bowser by throwing the hammer at him at the end. giga bowser is twice the size he was. and he kills anyone he touches.
You are right about Wario. Remember, he was grouped as a Mario character on the Melee poll where he was the third most-wanted Mario character. So technically we did get a new Mario character in Brawl. This is just one of the reasons why I think Toad is very likely to be in Smash 4.
event: every man for himself.
giga bowser becomes hurngry for mushrooms. your on his menu unless you get to the hammer.
how to play: its a race to the finish along with a few other toads. when you get to the end, KO giga bowser by throwing the hammer at him at the end. giga bowser is twice the size he was. and he kills anyone he touches.
There are four Mario characters in Smash. That's too many? And no, all the people in the second column of the CSS don't count. Because their Mario roles are not the reason that they got in. They got in because they have their own series.
Yes, they're still in the spin-offs, but were DK, Diddy, and Wario in NSMB? No. Super Mario Galaxy? No. Super Mario Sunshine? No. Yoshi maintains a bit of a presence in these games, but he's the only one.
Toad has a good shot seeing as how he did well on the Melee polls, but I think the Brawl polls will have more impact on SSB4. Unfortunately, we don't know what those look like.
I think it would be funny if it turned out that the Brawl poll results we know turned out to be true and that Sonic is the only one with more than 5 votes, two digits, or even three digits. LOL
You have no idea how many times I've heard that hollow statement. That is utter crap. Mario is pretty much considered the face of Nintendo, anyway. No characters have to be removed, and any can be added.
That argument is honestly just so blatantly lacking in depth...
They should have did this when they made brawl. Have 4 be the max is just too limited.
Oh and Mario and Zelda could be...(Don't know much bout Zelda series)
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario
Dr. Mario (Fully Decloned) or Geno
Rosalina
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (Let him use sword)
Toon Link
Toon Zelda/Tetra
Midna
Tingle (don't know if i spelled it right)
They should have did this when they made brawl. Have 4 be the max is just too limited.
Oh and Mario and Zelda could be...(Don't know much bout Zelda series)
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario
Geno
Paper Mario
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (Decloned)
Toon Link
Toon Zelda/Tetra
Midna & Wolf Link
Vaati
Actually, Mario and Luigi aren't really considered clones anymore. Luigified has become a term used to describe a character who started out as a clone, but has become more differentaiated from the template.
