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Bowser Jr., while having a good chunk of haters, has a lot of fans as well. Hate hasn't stopped Jiggly. Also, Bowser Jr. is becoming increasingly important, being the primary antagonist of NSMB. In addition, I always got the impression that people hated him because he replaced the Koopalings. And since they're coming back, there's not much of a reason to dislike him anymore.
I think that part of the hate that he got was because he's one of the least creative characters that Nintendo came up with these recent years (alongside King Boo and Petey Pirahna). That said, at least people will get the chance to beat the living snot out of him.
Anyway, let's face it. Bowser Jr.'s the most likely candidate for the next Mario rep.
Speaking of the Koopalings, here's a mechanic that I came up with that could work if they ever become playable: every time you would lose a stock, the current Koopaling gets replaced by a different one (the default one can be chosen at the character select menu). What do you think of that?
Speaking of the Koopalings, here's a mechanic that I came up with that could work if they ever become playable: every time you would lose a stock, the current Koopaling gets replaced by a different one (the default one can be chosen at the character select menu). What do you think of that?
...But seriously, it wouldn't be really worth it to have to make seven movesets for has-been characters with minimal support who don't even compete with Bowser Jr./Paper Mario/Dr. Mario/Toad.
Could be interesting if they got in by some miracle, though.
That sounds negative, but if it comes down to the wire, Sakurai is more likely to cram in a few clones than one or two unique characters. It just doesn't take as much work.
...But seriously, it wouldn't be really worth it to have to make seven movesets for has-been characters with minimal support who don't even compete with Bowser Jr./Paper Mario/Dr. Mario/Toad.
Could be interesting if they got in by some miracle, though.
Anyone who says Paper Mario/Krystal/Bowser Jr. could never EVER be clones and that would never ever happen need to stop snorting at the computer.
Paper Mario is MARIO. Even if he's 2-D. He could be a clone as easily as Link/Young Link/Toon Link could be clones of each other. Why? Because they are THE SAME CHARACTER.
If you want to prove me wrong, give me a signed petition of 5,000 people who believe Paper Mario is not Mario and is in no way related to him.
PART TWO...
popularity
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paper mario
bowser jr.
geno
megaman
bomberman
ridley
little mac
great history
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toad
King K. rool
Ridley
Little mac
baloon fighter
bomberman
freshed up
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little mac
bub
moveset potential
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paper mario
bowser jr.
daisy
toad
Dixie kong
King K. rool
toon zelda/tetra
little mac
krystal
shy guy
non clone
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paper mario
daisy
bowser jr./shadow mario
Galacta knight
dry bowser
unmentioned
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dry bowser
shy guy
galacta knight
marcus mccloud
piplup
best ones so far
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paper mario
little mac
bomberman
This. This makes me sick. Geno and Bomberman aren't really popular compared to the others. I'd even say K. Rool could fit in before them.
Balloon Fighter has no history. Not like the other characters do.
Freshed up? Bub? ...What?
This one makes me want to incinerate you. So badly. Daisy and Shy Guy having more moveset potential than Ridley? My ***.
EVERYONE on that list of "non clones" could very easily be a clone. VERY VERY easily.
Paper Mario is not the best option. He isn't even a good option unless he is an early addition. Bomberman is not. And your lack of Ridley makes me want to burn your ashes.
That's all I have to say on that. Also, I really wouldn't die or be too upset if they swapped Snake and Sonic for Megaman and Simon Belmont.
Yes, I believe Belmont is more deserving than Bomberman. Do not start a flame war with me on this, it wasn't a question.
Popularity is a huge determination of the roster. The only Brawl character to my knowledge who was added solely due to popularity was Sonic, but it still plays a big factor.
Sonic had enough popularity to make it in off popularity alone. Master Chief could do the same, seeing as he's in a series "more popular than god".
You know, I'm almost worried about cuts for this game. I think all of the veterans are safe at this point... Sonic Snake and Lucario might be vulnerable for the Judgement of Sakurai. And I don't like character cuts. At all.
Sonic had enough popularity to make it in off popularity alone. Master Chief could do the same, seeing as he's in a series "more popular than god".
You know, I'm almost worried about cuts for this game. I think all of the veterans are safe at this point... Sonic Snake and Lucario might be vulnerable for the Judgement of Sakurai. And I don't like character cuts. At all.
You know, I'm almost worried about cuts for this game. I think all of the veterans are safe at this point... Sonic Snake and Lucario might be vulnerable for the Judgement of Sakurai. And I don't like character cuts. At all.
Yeah...I'm going to go ahead and say five of the newcomers are on the chopping block. Snake, Sonic, Lucario, Ike, and Toon Link are all SOMEWHAT possible...Everyone else would just seem like a weird choice.
Sonic and Snake could easily be swapped for new third parties, and the other three are like the brawl replacements for Mewtwo/Roy/Young Link. Their positions are very similar, I'm not calling Ike and Lucario clones.
Snake was going to be in in Melee, but it might be a one-time favor. Sonic got in on popularity. He is just as cut-able and un-cut-able as Snake.
EDIT: Yeah, true, they could be safe until they remove 3rd parties. But from the looks of it, every game will have cuts. Smash64 wouldn't have had cuts, not only is the roster too small for a 5-character cut but they're all series mascots...except for Luigi and Jigglypuff.
Massive popularity is the ONLY popularity when it comes to Smash Bros. The only reason Master Chief isn't in is because it's more trouble than it's worth to ask Microsoft to borrow things. Nobody can ask, Microsoft has to beg. So if anything he'd be in the same way Snake got in.
Anyone who says Paper Mario/Krystal/Bowser Jr. could never EVER be clones and that would never ever happen need to stop snorting at the computer.
Paper Mario is MARIO. Even if he's 2-D. He could be a clone as easily as Link/Young Link/Toon Link could be clones of each other. Why? Because they are THE SAME CHARACTER.
Krystal and Bowser Jr. COULD be clones but they have an easy way out to not be clones.
You need to take some time to think about it if you think PM could EASILY be a clone of Mario.....I mean wow....Pretty sure PM never used a cape, shot fireballs or used a water spraying device named F.L.U.D.D. Wow.......................................................
Krystal and Bowser Jr. COULD be clones but they have an easy way out to not be clones.
You need to take some time to think about it if you think PM could EASILY be a clone of Mario.....I mean wow....Pretty sure PM never used a cape, shot fireballs or used a water spraying device named F.L.U.D.D. Wow.......................................................
He IS the Paper Mario master! Anyway, Paper Mario would use paper moves, such as turning into a paper airplane, something that has to do with being 2-D... I don't know...
Krystal and Bowser Jr. COULD be clones but they have an easy way out to not be clones.
You need to take some time to think about it if you think PM could EASILY be a clone of Mario.....I mean wow....Pretty sure PM never used a cape, shot fireballs or used a water spraying device named F.L.U.D.D. Wow.......................................................
Ganondorf never falcon punched or falcon kicked. Young Link never used the OoT Hookshot. To the best of my knowledge, Toon Link never used the Finishing Blow.
YOU need to think before YOU start to believe that Paper Mario is different from every other potential/existing clone. He isn't. At all.
The only easy way out of being a clone is to be added before the deadline, and to be worked on with some effort. Obviously it's easier said than done witht the people in charge of this, looking at FalcoGanondorfPichuDocmarioRoyToonlink.
Come back and respond when you've drowned your foolish, ignorant bias in the bathtub.
TheAceLucario. I'll correct you now and replace your WOULD with COULD.
Yes. Thank you.
I do believe that there is a big chance of him being a clone.
I think that the only way that the chance might lower is if a new Paper Mario game comes out and Paper Mario uses some sort of items. Kind of like Star Fox adventures when Fox uses the staff.
Yes. Thank you.
I do believe that there is a big chance of him being a clone.
I think that the only way that the chance might lower is if a new Paper Mario game comes out and Paper Mario uses some sort of items. Kind of like Star Fox adventures when Fox uses the staff.
I wouldn't say he has a huge chance. I'd say more like 60:40. But yeah, it's not like Paper Mario being a clone is beyond the realm of possibility....not that him being unique is or anything. I'd bet he would be based off of Paper Mario 2 as well as Super Paper Mario.
Also, Starfox Adventures doesn't mean a staff is confirmed for SSB4. Even if it'd be a new weapon, Starfox Assault and Command came out between Adventures and Brawl. After they referenced Assault here in brawl, I doubt they will go backwards to Adventures.
Massive popularity is the ONLY popularity when it comes to Smash Bros. The only reason Master Chief isn't in is because it's more trouble than it's worth to ask Microsoft to borrow things. Nobody can ask, Microsoft has to beg. So if anything he'd be in the same way Snake got in.
Going by that criteria, this would mean that Mega Man, Simon Belmont, Bomberman and Pac-Man could make it in thanks to massive popularity (it's not guaranteed that they'll all get in, though). Wow, that's a lot of people with "Man" in their names.
Ryu Hayabusa and Travis Touchdown, on the other hand, would only get in due to some "begging" from their respective creators (in theory). Having a 3rd party rep from SNK would probably involve this, as well.
But still, what 3rd party company wouldn't want to join in on the cross-promotional bandwagon, now that guest fighters are allowed in Smash? If you ask me, Snake and Sonic may have started a new trend.
Ganondorf never falcon punched or falcon kicked. Young Link never used the OoT Hookshot. To the best of my knowledge, Toon Link never used the Finishing Blow.
YOU need to think before YOU start to believe that Paper Mario is different from every other potential/existing clone. He isn't. At all.
The only easy way out of being a clone is to be added before the deadline, and to be worked on with some effort. Obviously it's easier said than done witht the people in charge of this, looking at FalcoGanondorfPichuDocmarioRoyToonlink.
Come back and respond when you've drowned your foolish, ignorant bias in the bathtub.
TheAceLucario. I'll correct you now and replace your WOULD with COULD.
Going by that criteria, this would mean that Mega Man, Simon Belmont, Bomberman and Pac-Man could make it in thanks to massive popularity (it's not guaranteed that they'll all get in, though). Wow, that's a lot of people with "Man" in their names.
Ryu Hayabusa and Travis Touchdown, on the other hand, would only get in due to some "begging" from their respective creators (in theory).
I really don't know anything on the Ryu Hayabusa(Ninja Gaiden) or Pac-Man parts, but I'd say mega Man has a shot at getting in from popularity and Travis has a chance from begging. I refuse to believe in Bomberman. But then again, I don't know if he's had a new game or anything.
EDIT: No correction is needed. Clones are a combination of "They don't have time" and "they don't care". Probably more of the latter.
Going by that criteria, this would mean that Mega Man, Simon Belmont, Bomberman and Pac-Man could make it in thanks to massive popularity (it's not guaranteed that they'll all get in, though). Wow, that's a lot of people with "Man" in their names.
Ryu Hayabusa and Travis Touchdown, on the other hand, would only get in due to some "begging" from their respective creators (in theory). Having a 3rd party rep from SNK would probably involve this, as well.
Ganondorf never falcon punched or falcon kicked. Young Link never used the OoT Hookshot. To the best of my knowledge, Toon Link never used the Finishing Blow.
YOU need to think before YOU start to believe that Paper Mario is different from every other potential/existing clone. He isn't. At all.
The only easy way out of being a clone is to be added before the deadline, and to be worked on with some effort. Obviously it's easier said than done witht the people in charge of this, looking at FalcoGanondorfPichuDocmarioRoyToonlink.
Come back and respond when you've drowned your foolish, ignorant bias in the bathtub.
TheAceLucario. I'll correct you now and replace your WOULD with COULD.
Yeaaaah
1. If you want to start bringing up every MINOR didn't do, "Like OMG Young Link didn't use a different style of the SAME item." Besides I like the Finishing Blow (Which Link hadn't USED before 64 or Melee, they just gave him that move in TP duh ) on TL better than Link. That leaves Gannon, I'm not any happier about him not having an OoT Magic moveset.
2. I never said he didn't have a chance of being a clone, I just said it's not as easy as the others and the only way is laziness.
I refuse to believe in Bomberman. But then again, I don't know if he's had a new game or anything.
duh ) on TL better than Link. That leaves Gannon, I'm not any happier about him not having an OoT Magic moveset.