[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Arcadenik]

Rows x Columns = Character Slots

SSB's starting roster
2x4=8

SSB's final roster
2x6=12

Melee's starting roster
2x7=14

Melee's final roster
3x9=27
27-2=25 (there are 2 empty slots)

Brawl's starting roster
3x8=24
24-3=21 (there are 2 empty slots and 1 random slot)

Brawl's final roster
4x9=36
36-1=35 (there is 1 random slot)

Now, notice the pattern...

Starting roster
SSB: 2 rows and 4 columns
Melee: 2 rows and 7 columns
Brawl: 3 rows and 8 columns

Final roster
SSB: 2 rows and 6 columns
Melee: 3 rows and 9 columns
Brawl: 4 rows and 9 columns

Character slot count (starting roster)
SSB: 8 (1x7=7+1=8)
Melee: 14 (2x7=14)
Brawl: 21 (3x7=21)

Character slot count (final roster)
SSB: 12 (1x12=12)
Melee: 25 (2x12=24+1=25)
Brawl: 35 (3x12=36-1=35)

Following the trend, maybe SSB4 would start out with about 26-28 character slots in a 4x7 grid... and it would end with about 44-50 character slots in a 5x9 or a 5x10 grid.

 

[comboking]

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that all the demos were in fact the full games.

By glitching in the OoT Young Link one you could go up to the Master Sword I think.

The whole games are there but you can't beat them because they are timed.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Also I think as Doshin takes damage he will slowly turn into devil-Doshin.

That'd be an interesting way to implement Devil Doshin as a playable character.

Sorta like Zelda/Sheik and Samus/Zero Suit Samus (who each have their own method of transformation), only with a Lucario-styled damage accumulation mechanic that allows Doshin to turn into his alter ego, rather than increasing power.

extreme- in 3 minutes of the match, a meteor will destroy final destination, then the characters will land in the real world. they will land on the stage that was in the intro of SSB where mario and kirby faced off. in 6 more minutes, the meteor will destroy the stage too. then you land in an area in the real world that has people, and houses burning. in 10 minutes, the meteor will come, a cutscene will appear. the entire world explodes. and the match ends as a tie instead of sudden death.

Don't you think that's a little going overboard?

 

[n88]

Stats n' Stuff

I think that's over analyzing just a bit, but you could be right.

(The rest is not addressed to Arcadenik)

But really, why does everyone think that 10 is the magic number of newcomers we are bound to get?

Melee has 26 characters, and Brawl has 39 (not 25 and 35)

Sakurai considers transformations as separate characters, and there's no reason why he shouldn't. Why would Wario, Snake, or Diddy take any more time than Sqiurtle, ZSS, or Charizard? A transformation is a totally new character, and should be counted as such.

Brawl had 18 new characters. (Seventeen if you don't count Toon Link)
Why would we suddenly jump down to only ten newcomers? That's fewer newcomers than in any Smash game yet. It's not impossible, but it would go against the current trend, not the other way around.

Really, according to the actual trend of newcomers (12, 14, 18), we would get 15/16 newcomers in SSB4, putting the roster at 50 w/transformations.

 

[mariorocks64]

Don't you think that's a little going overboard?

overboard is great when you want more ACTION!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

overboard is great when you want more ACTION!

Yes, but not to the point of blowing up the entire stage. The characters have stocks, you know.

@n88_2004:

I think we'll get more than 10 newcomers. At this point, it's difficult to determine what the exact roster total of SSB4 will consist of.

 

[codfish92]

overboard is great when you want more ACTION!

explosions. SSB4 should have more explosions. like a lot more. like a character that uses only explosions. more explosions than snake with smartbombs, bomb-ombs, gooey bombs, proximity mines(the item not the attack), explosive boxs, and cracker launchers on high. yeah, that much explosions.

yes!!!!! more overboard=more explosions

 

[mariorocks64]

Yes, but not to the point of blowing up the entire stage. The characters have stocks, you know.

@n88_2004:

I think we'll get more than 10 newcomers. At this point, it's difficult to determine what the exact roster total of SSB4 will consist of.

stocks don't matter. the meteor will wipe out all stocks. and destruction shall be in smash bros!

 

[rockem7]

So you want a character with lots of explosions?

One word.

Bomberman.

 

[Circa]

So you want a character with lots of explosions?

One word.

Bomberman.

Seconded for justice.

 

[mariorocks64]

Seconded for justice.

bomberman would own the most!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So you want a character with lots of explosions?

One word.

Bomberman.

Seconded for justice.

OF COURSE! Thirded, for great justice! :bigthumbu oolmonke

It makes perfect sense, too, as he tangled with Wario once.

 

[rockem7]

So, if we want epic explosions...We demand Bomberman. That's pretty simple.
So...Who are your top 10 new characters you think will/should make it in?
I'll post mine a little later, due to the fact that I still need to dwell on mine.

 

[n88]

So, if we want epic explosions...We demand Bomberman. That's pretty simple.
So...Who are your top 10 new characters you think will/should make it in?
I'll post mine a little later, due to the fact that I still need to dwell on mine.

No particular order

1. Tingle
2. Bowser Jr.
3. Megaman
4. Samurai Goroh
5. Little Mac

I have only those five. These are the guys who would really surprise me by not being playable.

 

[codfish92]

you know which character would really surprise me if he wasn't playable







Mario

 

[n88]

you know which character would really surprise me if he wasn't playable







Mario

I was thinking of newcomers, but yes that would also be surprising.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Lolz


.... but I seriously think that Sakurai should be a Playable character.

Spoiler

/sarcasm

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

So...Who are your top 10 new characters you think will/should make it in?
I'll post mine a little later, due to the fact that I still need to dwell on mine.

Well then, here are mine:

1. Star Man
2. Mach Rider
3. Captain Syrup
4. Goemon
5. King K. Rool
6. Samurai Goroh
7. Geno
8. Takamaru
9. Mona
10. Travis Touchdown

I would've added a few more, but that's all the ones I have room for.

Lolz


.... but I seriously think that Sakurai should be a Playable character.

Spoiler

/sarcasm

We would we need to, when he's already voicing D3?

 

[rockem7]

Mine would be (also in no particular order, and try to keep an open mind...)

1. Starfy.
2. Little Mac.
3. Samurai Goroh.
4. Bowser Jr.
5. Ridley.
6. Bomberman.
7. Megaman.
8. K. Rool.
9. Captain Syrup.
10. (I think I just died a little on the inside...) Tingle.

 

[n88]

Lolz


.... but I seriously think that Sakurai should be a Playable character.

Spoiler

/sarcasm

BAM Here you go.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Mine would be (also in no particular order, and try to keep an open mind...)

1. Starfy.
2. Little Mac.
3. Samurai Goroh.
4. Bowser Jr.
5. Ridley.
6. Bomberman.
7. Megaman.
8. K. Rool.
9. Captain Syrup.
10. (I think I just died a little on the inside...) Tingle.

Works for me (I'm open-minded, so no worries)! :bigthumbu

 

[mariorocks64]

1. Toad
2.Bomberman
3.paper mario
4. galacta knight
5. gooey
6. plusle &minun
7. baby mario bros
8. toon zelda/Tetra
9. little mac
10. ashley (warioware)



I want a chocolate kirby color!
8

 

[Fatmanonice]

to solidify the argument. did anyone know of mr. game and watch before he came out in melee? he has had no recent games and is in melee and brawl.

Just to be a genuine SOB, he actually did have some games shortly before Melee was released. He had Game and Watch Gallery 1-3 for the Game Boy/Color. To give the series more appeal, they mostly used Mario characters but the original Game and Watch games were available along side them for the sake of comparison.

 

[Wizzerd]

So...Who are your top 10 new characters you think will/should make it in?
I'll post mine a little later, due to the fact that I still need to dwell on mine.

Let's see:

1) Bowser Jr. OR Paper Mario
2) King K.Rool
3) Tingle
4) Ridley
5) Black Shadow
6) New FE Lord
7) Fifth Gen Pokemon
8) Isaac OR GS3 Protagonist
9) Little Mac
10) Megaman

 

[codfish92]

BAM Here you go.

how do people come up with this???

radioactive bears from his crotch???

cheese grater??

a toaster????

MAGIKARP??????

though that moveset would be funny to see

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

1. Toad
2.Bomberman
3.paper mario
4. galacta knight
5. gooey
6. plusle &minun
7. baby mario bros
8. toon zelda/Tetra
9. little mac
10. ashley (warioware)



I want a chocolate kirby color!
8

We do NOT need Plusle OR Minun!

How does a Smash Bros. style Game & Watch game sound as a spinoff title?

 

[mariorocks64]

We do NOT need Plusle OR Minun!

you don't need them? too bad.

 

[rockem7]

Let's see:

1) Bowser Jr. OR Paper Mario
2) King K.Rool
3) Tingle
4) Ridley
5) Black Shadow
6) New FE Lord
7) Fifth Gen Pokemon
8) Isaac OR GS3 Protagonist
9) Little Mac
10) Megaman

Wow...I can't believe I left out 5th Gen Pokemon and the GS rep. I guess I didn't take enough time to think. Good list.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Here are some new characters I would love to see playable in Smash 4: Ridley, Micaiah, Lyn, Little Mac, and Mewtwo (might be considered a returning character...).

I would also love to see Peach cut.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Peach? WTH? She's a veteran, a star of her series, don't bring your biased **** in here.


Sakurai's not gonna cut her. WTF are you smoking?

 

[mariorocks64]

in ssbm, they make side specials
in SSBB, they put in final smashes
in SSB4, they should put in combo smash. occasionally, your damage meter will glow yellow. that is when you press an order of buttons depending on what character you use.

 

[codfish92]

Here are some new characters I would love to see playable in Smash 4: Ridley, Micaiah, Lyn, Little Mac, and Mewtwo (might be considered a returning character...).

I would also love to see Pech cut.

who is pech??????

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

My reason for hating Peach is not an evil one, you know.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

He means Peach. He doesn't know how to spell, and he thinks peach is gonna get cut. Rofl


And just because you hate her doesn't mean she's gonna get cut. You realize your expectations are going to be shattered, right? Just think realistically. Peach getting cut is about as likely as mario getting cut.

 

[Jerome]

Type of fighter

I know this isn't a must have for SSB4 but I would like an option where you can see what type of fighter each character is. It would also show their stats. (* means if the charcter is in SSB4) Correct me if I'm wrong...

All-around
Mario
Luigi
Squirtle
Kirby
Ice Climbers
Jigglypuff
Kirby
Wario
Mr. Game and Watch
Animal Crossing Boy & Girl*
Bowser Jr.*
Waluigi*
Roy*
Meta Knight

Speed
Sonic
Yoshi
Pikachu
Sheik
Captain Falcon
Zero Suit Samus
Fox
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong*
Little Mac*
Starfy*
Chibi-Robo*
Shadow*
Tetra*
Pichu*
Falco

Technical
Link
Samus
Zelda
Ness
Lucas
Clause/Masked Man*
Toon Zelda*
Lucario
Mewtwo*
Ivysaur
R.O.B.
Peach
Olimar
Bomberman*
Marth
Isaac*
Tails*
Wolf
Krystal*
Geno*
Toon Link
Dr. Mario*

Power
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Snake
Ike
Ganondorf
King Dedede
King Krool*
Rosalina*
Gray Fox*
Knuckles*
Charizard

My bad I forgot Peach lol!

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

My reason for hating Peach is not an evil one, you know.

I had to repeat myself

Spoiler

again

. And I think Peach SHOULD be cut, that doesn't mean that I think Peach is likely to be so.

 

[codfish92]

He means Peach. He doesn't know how to spell, and he thinks peach is gonna get cut. Rofl

i know he meant peach, it's just fun when people make spelling erors and people point them out(did you catch it????)

peach isn't going to get cut.

 

[Tacel]

Peach getting cut is about as likely as mario getting cut.

Noooooooo...
Mario is a main character of a series.
It would be easier to cut Peach than Mario.
It's like cutting Zelda and not Link.
Smash can live with only having main characters of a series (considering Smash for the N64 had neither Peach nor Zelda).

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Yes, but she won't get cut. anyone who says so is simply a biased hater.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

:enforcer: See that?

And you know why I hate Peach, do you?