[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[PeachRose]

And...although he probably won't make it in, I'd love to see Bomberman. He'd be great.

I totally agree! I loved Bomberman 64. Ahh the memories.
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[Pieman0920]

Please stay on topic.
I don't think SSB4 will add any Megaman characters.
Here is my list:
Krystal
K.K. Rool
Perhaps Leon..
Maybe Waluigi
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When you say Leon, who exactly are you talking about?

Also, its K.Rool, not K.K.

 

[smashmanx7]

i dont think krystal is popular to be in brawl4 but she will be in it brawl needs more female characters anyway also bomberman i great idea

 

[rockem7]

Oh yeah, I didn't realize that. I just assumed she was talking about Star Fox Leon. And Krystal isn't really a lock. She's a possibility that has some work yet to be done. She would be high on the list for another female character, but who knows if Star Fox will be getting another rep.

 

[PeachRose]

When you say Leon, who exactly are you talking about?

Also, its K.Rool, not K.K.

I meant Leon from Star Fox xP

And The K in K. Rool stands for King already? Read it was K.K. Rool elsewhere. w/e xP
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[Pieman0920]

Ah, Leon from Star Fox...now he has no chance, that's for sure. We would sooner get Slippy, and certainly Krystal before him, and quite frankly 4 SF characters is pushing it as it is. Plus, given that's he's never done anything outside of his ship, odds are he'd be another clone, which is something we don't need.

 

[smashmanx7]

i hope krystal is not a fox copy like wolf and falco and about leon i wonder how his move set would be

 

[Wizzerd]

i dont think krystal is popular to be in brawl4 but she will be in it brawl needs more female characters anyway also bomberman i great idea

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Smash does not need more female characters. We should not jam the roster full of token females when there are so few of them who actually deserve it.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

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I feel you

 

[Fatmanonice]

i hope krystal is not a fox copy like wolf and falco and about leon i wonder how his move set would be

Leon's would basically be guarenteed to be a rip-off of Fox/Falco/Wolf as he has nothing to work with. Krystal at least has some material from Star Fox Adventures to work with so, unless the developers get freakishly lazy, Krystal would at least have something to set her apart from the other Star Fox characters.

 

[Wizzerd]

unless the developers get freakishly lazy

Which they did for two games now...

 

[Jimnymebob]

Saying Leon has no chance is like saying who predicted Ivysaur for Brawl.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Crap, doble post.
My apologies.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Which they did for two games now...

Meh, the only person I say they were lazy with was Ganondorf and that's about it. Everyone else isn't that bad considering what they all had to work with.

 

[gantrain05]

Meh, the only person I say they were lazy with was Ganondorf and that's about it. Everyone else isn't that bad considering what they all had to work with.

don't get me started on how lazy they were with ganon, they have a zillion moves to pull from the zelda series, yet he's just a captain falcon clone still.

 

[UberMario]

Getting back to music, even though this remix is pretty old, it's also official.

Would anyone want to hear this in SSB4?

 

[PeachRose]

I'm more into orchestrated music, most of the music in SSBB were, and I loved everyone of em.
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[Spydr Enzo]

They did something similar with the Donkey Kong Arcade music, I can see something like Mario Syndrome happening. I think Ground Theme 2 is close enough to that though, even though Mario Syndrome would be pretty neat too.

And the game does not absolutely NEED female characters. That is just a stupid excuse used by poeple supporting an unlikely female character. Same with the "NEEDZ MOER VILLUNZ!!1!one!1!" argument. Whoever deserves to be in should be in, and whoever seems likely at the moment. If it is an unpopular, insignificant, useless female character, she probably won't get in just because she's a female.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm more into orchestrated music, most of the music in SSBB were, and I loved everyone of em.
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Now, when you say "orchestrated" do you mean done with real instruments or arranged by professionals? Only a few pieces in Brawl were done with real instruments (ie; not MIDI) while all of them were arranged by professional video game composers.

 

[smashmanx7]

the music was okay in brawl am not a big fan of ohcrestra but it was ok

 

[rockem7]

Meh. I have no true oppinion of the music used in SSB. I don't hate it, and I don't love it. I'm sure Nintendo will treat us once again.

 

[gantrain05]

everyone should just get their wii hacked so u can put whatever music u want on there, Tank from cowboy bebop is the best menu song ever lololol.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

For the most part, I loved the music in Brawl. The orchestral music was magnificent and there were some great remixes in there (and some not-so-great ones, but still).

It's a shame that there will never be a soundtrack made for it all.

And the game does not absolutely NEED female characters. That is just a stupid excuse used by poeple supporting an unlikely female character. Same with the "NEEDZ MOER VILLUNZ!!1!one!1!" argument. Whoever deserves to be in should be in, and whoever seems likely at the moment. If it is an unpopular, insignificant, useless female character, she probably won't get in just because she's a female.

Does that include the ones (that were recommended several times) in the poll (http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872) that was made after Brawl's roster was chosen?

Concerning both female characters and villains, that is.

To be frank, I only support the relevant ones. We don't need all of the villains and female characters in the Nintendo universe, just a few of them.

 

[PeachRose]

Oh were they composed by pro video game composers? @_@ Well I still love the music xD​

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Oh were they composed by pro video game composers? @_@ Well I still love the music xD​

The official Super Smash Bros. Brawl website has a list of all the composers, in case you're interested.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

u know wat i never understood why roy was tooken out and replaced with ike they KINDA have the same the moveset a slash here and a fire stab there

Roy's popular mostly because of his visual appeal (meaning his fans want a red-haired swordsman, not necessarily Roy). I heard that Sakurai wouldn't really want him added to SSB4. Ask Pieman about it. Micaiah would be a better choice because she's a female, a mage, far less likely to be a clone, and though she doesn't have as big a fanbase as Roy's, she's not overrated. We don't need Roy playable. And if his chances are higher than Micaiah's because of Roy's Melee playability, we would have gotten Roy instead of Ike playable in Brawl, and Ike would not have been playable in that game.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

My Fifth (More Current) SSB4 Fighter Roster

I apologize in case this becomes a double post. I will put alternate costumes in parenthesis after naming each character that is going to have one, and the main outfits will be underlined. Anyway, on to the roster:

Mario: Mario (overalls, striker suit, and doctor clothes), Luigi (overalls and 3-D Mr. L costume), Bowser, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, and Fawful (red robe and white suit)

DK: Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, and King K. Rool (his usual clothes and his Kaptain K. Rool disguise)

Zelda: Link (usual clothes and Fierce Deity form), Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link (usual clothes and SP outfit), and Tingle (with Majora's Mask appearance)

Metroid: Samus/ZSS and Ridley (with Meta Ridley alt)

Yoshi: Yoshi

Kirby: Kirby, Meta Knight, and King Dedede

Starfox: Fox (usual clothes and Assault suit), Falco (usual clothes and Assault suit), and Wolf OR Krystal

Pokemon: Pikachu, PT (FRLG clothes and RBY clothes) with Squirtle (OR Wartortle), Ivysaur, and Charizard, Jigglypuff, Lucario, and Mewtwo

F-Zero: Captain Falcon

Mother: Ness and Lucas

FE: Marth, Ike (PoR clothes and RD clothes), and Micaiah (starting clothes and light sage clothes)

Wario: Wario (biker clothes and overalls)

Retro/Other Nintendo: Ice Climbers, Pit, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Olimar, Little Mac (boxer outfit and tracksuit), Saki OR Isa, Isaac OR GS3 protagonist, Starfy, Lip, and Animal Crosser (with and without horned hat)

Third-Party: Snake, Sonic, and Megaman

Feel free to make comments!

 

[PeachRose]

Very well written! I lol'd at Yoshi XD
Isaac would be an awesome addition! I don't think Ridley will be a playable character. He already has the act of a boss. It would be like adding the Master Hand as a playable character. I do prefer Krystal over Wolf. If an Animal Crosser were to be a playable character, I would LOVE to his/her moveset XD ( Throw piece of furniture with B! ). And adding Megaman in is highly likely. That's all I have for now!
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[Mario the Jumpman]

Very well written! I lol'd at Yoshi XD
Isaac would be an awesome addition! I don't think Ridley will be a playable character. He already has the act of a boss. It would be like adding the Master Hand as a playable character. I do prefer Krystal over Wolf. If an Animal Crosser were to be a playable character, I would LOVE to his/her moveset XD ( Throw piece of furniture with B! ). And adding Megaman in is highly likely. That's all I have for now!
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Making Ridley playable is hardly anything like making Master Hand playable.

Can we please not start a Ridley argument?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I think that you should have put Samurai Goroh, as his appearance as an AT in Brawl may have raised his chances to become a playable character.

Also, I don't mind seeing both Wolf and Krystal in.

It's doubtful, but either Mona or Captain Syrup could end up as a rep for the Wario series.

Somehow, I don't think that Animal Crosser will become playable.

That's just about all that I can think of, from the top of my head.

 

[Big-Cat]

I heard that Sakurai wouldn't really want him added to SSB4.

Really, I haven't heard anything about this. Also, like Mewtwo, he was cut from Brawl, but were more than likely in some playable state. Therefore, I think we'll see those two next game.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I think that you should have put Samurai Goroh, as his appearance as an AT in Brawl may have raised his chances to become a playable character.

Also, I don't mind seeing both Wolf and Krystal in.

It's doubtful, but either Mona or Captain Syrup could end up as a rep for the Wario series.

Somehow, I don't think that Animal Crosser will become playable.

That's just about all that I can think of, from the top of my head.

I don't know if F-Zero should get a second rep.

We don't need Mona or Captain Syrup.

I think the AC is likely.

Really, I haven't heard anything about this. Also, like Mewtwo, he was cut from Brawl, but were more than likely in some playable state. Therefore, I think we'll see those two next game.

Roy is a poor choice for a third FE rep. Micaiah would be a much better candidate; popularity doesn't decide everything, you know.

 

[PeachRose]

Making Ridley playable is hardly anything like making Master Hand playable.

Can we please not start a Ridley argument?

I probably used a wrong analogy, but all im going to say is that Ridley is looked upon as a boss, so its highly likely he'll be playable.
I think Mewtwo should come back.​

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

We don't need Mona or Captain Syrup.

Well, so much for that Wario Vs. Syrup match-up. She would need a beating for what she did to Wario in "Wario Land: Shake it!".

I think the AC is likely.

That's not what Sakurai thinks, though.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Well, so much for that Wario Vs. Syrup match-up. She would need a beating for what she did to Wario in "Wario Land: Shake it!"

We could always make C. Syrup a selectable Sandbag version.

 

[Wizzerd]

Roy's popular mostly because of his visual appeal (meaning his fans want a red-haired swordsman, not necessarily Roy). I heard that Sakurai wouldn't really want him added to SSB4. Ask Pieman about it. Micaiah would be a better choice because she's a female, a mage, far less likely to be a clone, and though she doesn't have as big a fanbase as Roy's, she's not overrated. We don't need Roy playable. And if his chances are higher than Micaiah's because of Roy's Melee playability, we would have gotten Roy instead of Ike playable in Brawl, and Ike would not have been playable in that game.

People want a red-haired swordsman, not necesarily Roy? There's no basis for thinking that, and the fact is that Roy's pretty much the only red-haired swordsman, and it shouldn't matter why people support a character as long as they are supporting them anyway. You heard Sakurai wouldn't want me added... you're sourceless

Spoiler

again

and the fact that Sakurai chose Roy as the Fire Emblem clone over all of the other Fire Emblem characters (who, quite frankly, could all be clones). Micaiah being a female means absolutely nothing about her chances. Your moveset potential points mean little- Toon Link, a character with lots of potential for his own moveset, was the closest thing to a clone in Brawl- and Roy could very easily be decloned. In fact, he may appeal to Sakurai more for his easy moveset anyway. The overrated thing is bias, plain and simple, and whether a character is overrated means nothing about their potential. I never claimed that Melee playability made Roy more likely than Ike for Brawl, but it gives him an edge.

Your roster...
-Peach... is still cut... >_>
-Fawful is VERY unlikely compared to Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario.
-A fifth gen is very likely and if so a Pokemon from that gen will get in.
-No new F-Zero character?
-Even if you think that Micaiah is more likely than Roy, at least admit the high probability of a new role to trounce them both.
-A character from S&P, which has two games, is unlikely besides the many unrepped series with more.
-Takamaru's pretty unlikely. He has nothing to set him apart from the mound of obscure NES characters.
-If we get a AC rep it would be Tom Nook, not the generic Crosser, and Sakurai probably won't add one anyway since he considers AC characters to not be fighters.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

We could always make C. Syrup a selectable Sandbag version.

...

I have no idea how to respond to this.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

People want a red-haired swordsman, not necesarily Roy? There's no basis for thinking that, and the fact is that Roy's pretty much the only red-haired swordsman, and it shouldn't matter why people support a character as long as they are supporting them anyway. You heard Sakurai wouldn't want me added... you're sourceless

Spoiler

again

and the fact that Sakurai chose Roy as the Fire Emblem clone over all of the other Fire Emblem characters (who, quite frankly, could all be clones). Micaiah being a female means absolutely nothing about her chances. Your moveset potential points mean little- Toon Link, a character with lots of potential for his own moveset, was the closest thing to a clone in Brawl- and Roy could very easily be decloned. In fact, he may appeal to Sakurai more for his easy moveset anyway. The overrated thing is bias, plain and simple, and whether a character is overrated means nothing about their potential. I never claimed that Melee playability made Roy more likely than Ike for Brawl, but it gives him an edge.

Your roster...
-Peach... is still cut... >_>
-Fawful is VERY unlikely compared to Bowser Jr. and Paper Mario.
-A fifth gen is very likely and if so a Pokemon from that gen will get in.
-No new F-Zero character?
-Even if you think that Micaiah is more likely than Roy, at least admit the high probability of a new role to trounce them both.
-A character from S&P, which has two games, is unlikely besides the many unrepped series with more.
-Takamaru's pretty unlikely. He has nothing to set him apart from the mound of obscure NES characters.
-If we get a AC rep it would be Tom Nook, not the generic Crosser, and Sakurai probably won't add one anyway since he considers AC characters to not be fighters.

Some of the things I said about Roy I've heard from Pieman (I told you to ask him about it. Maybe he can tell you about it next time he's online...).

A new FE lord isn't guarenteed and doesn't even exist yet. Same for fifth gen Pokemon.

Fawful could make a great WTF character.

Maybe I should remove Takamaru...

And I still think Micaiah is a better choice than Roy. Now can we please end this Micaiah v.s. Roy discussion?

Do you think Punch-Out!! should get a second rep, since it is a rather great series? I think Glass Joe is most likely, and if he gets in, he would at first seem like an unreliable character, but a lot of practicing can make him a cheap character. Defeating his TD counterpart is rather difficult the first few battles.

 

[Wizzerd]

Some of the things I said about Roy I've heard from Pieman (I told you to ask him about it).

Why can't you tell me them yourself?

A new FE lord isn't guarenteed and doesn't even exist yet. Same for fifth gen Pokemon.

The VERY EARLIEST we can expect SSB4 to be made is 2012. In fact, maybe 2015 is more reasonable, because Sakurai is working on Project Sora. That gives 3-6 years for a new Fire Emblem with a new lord (I believe all arcs are complete for this to happen) and a new generation (given that there's 3-4 years between gens, this is reasonable). It may seem unreasonable to expect but it really isn't.

Fawful could make a great WTF character.

WTF characters are always very retro, very obscure characters. Fawful is neither.

Maybe I should remove Takamaru...

Yes you should.

And Micaiah is still a better choice than Roy. Now can we please end this Micaiah v.s. Roy discussion?

Even if she's the better choice... is she the more likely choice? Sure, I'll stop the discussion.

 

[n88]

Is Jumpman still trying to cut Peach? I leave for four days, and this is what I have to come back to. Disappointing.