[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[PeachRose]

And we should nerf Meta.

This.
And I think K.K. Rool would be an awesome addition.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

And we should nerf Meta.

This will certainly be inevitable, since Kirby got weakened in Melee.

And I think K.K. Rool would be an awesome addition.

I'm glad to see that we're on the same boat!

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Now what would the King K rool moveset be like? His standard B should be his Blunder bust pistol thingy.
And of course he'd be in the heavyweight class.

And Bowser needs some defensive tweaking. Any time hes in his shell, that should ALWAYS be super armor.

 

[PeachRose]

I don't know much of K.K. Rool's moves or abilities, never really watched the show, or looked into the games. But hes in the heavyweight for sure.
And define super armor. xP​

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Now what would the King K rool moveset be like? His standard B should be his Blunder bust pistol thingy.
And of course he'd be in the heavyweight class.

And Bowser needs some defensive tweaking. Any time hes in his shell, that should ALWAYS be super armor.

I believe that up B should have K. Rool using his helipack, while most of his ground attacks should have him use a boxing style like in Donkey Kong 64. His FS should most likely be a cannonball rain. Oh, and his crown toss for side B. The rest of his moveset could be fairly unorthodox, since he is quite the crafty one (feigning defeat, for starters).

Also, his previous outfits (pirate, scientist, boxer) should be available as alternate ones.

Wouldn't super armor for Bowser in his shell make him slightly broken? <_<

 

[Big-Cat]

Ohhhhh, So to balance Sonic's brokeness, the FS would be predetermined like C.Falcon's, but still **** worthy.
The maxed out meter idea is sick too.
3 check points on the FS meter. Every B-Special that misses would use up the meter. This "BS meter" is like PP or SP in rpgs. This might bring PP/SP/HP healing items in SSB4 or possibly Mewtwo returning with his PP draining Pressure ability.
As for the checkpoints on the meter-
Example;
Charizard's 'B-Special smashes'
Fire blast -> Blast burn -> !Triple finish!
Fire blast uses up 1 checkpoint.
Blast burn would use 2 checkpoints.
Triple finish needs full gauge.
Using any of them needs strategic thinking.

That sounds similar to EX attacks in the Street Fighter and Darkstalkers series. However, I'm not fond of the meter being used for more than one move unless it's stronger versions of the Special moves (ie Mario shoots 3 fireballs instead of one) included with the final smash. I think the final smash should be accessed from the top D-pad button since we already have three taunts. This can be activated at any time.

 

[Clownbot]

K. K. Rool? What is that? Like, a guitar-playing aligator or something?

Spoiler

Serious remark: There's only one "K".

 

[PeachRose]

That sounds similar to EX attacks in the Street Fighter and Darkstalkers series. However, I'm not fond of the meter being used for more than one move unless it's stronger versions of the Special moves (ie Mario shoots 3 fireballs instead of one) included with the final smash. I think the final smash should be accessed from the top D-pad button since we already have three taunts. This can be activated at any time.

That's a little to easy to access, it should be a combination of buttons. ( although SSB isn't really like that xD )​

K. K. Rool? What is that? Like, a guitar-playing aligator or something?

Spoiler

Serious remark: There's only one "K".

King K. Rool -> K.K. Rool, makes sense​

 

[rockem7]

There is a King K. Rool moveset on MYM5, but I am too lazy to post a link. And personally I think he should be the next DK character in since we don't have a DK antogonist yet.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

That's a little to easy to access, it should be a combination of buttons. ( although SSB isn't really like that xD )​

...Which would be a lot more trouble than it's worth, since SSB isn't supposed to have complicated button combos in the first place (and thus, be generally be more accessible than the usual fighting games).

There is a King K. Rool moveset on MYM5, but I am too lazy to post a link. And personally I think he should be the next DK character in since we don't have a DK antogonist yet.

That's true. Well, that and we'll finally get a 3-on-3 battle royale between the 3 kings (Bowser and Dedede being the other ones).

 

[Big-Cat]

That's a little to easy to access, it should be a combination of buttons. ( although SSB isn't really like that xD )​

Well, what I have in mind for EX type attacks is that the A and B buttons are pressed simultaneously in the direction desired. The only reason why I want the final smash to be so accessible is because there's no other way to a neutral EX attack.

 

[Clownbot]

King K. Rool -> K.K. Rool, makes sense​

Sorry about that. Didn't consider the possibility. :embarrass

 

[Zario777]

King K. Rool's special should be:
B=Musket Suck
SideB=Crown Toss
UpB=Propeller Pack
DownB=Canonball Shoot
FS=Canonball Rain

I have the full moveset written down, but I dont wanna hear complaints about this not being MYM. -,-

 

[PeachRose]

...Which would be a lot more trouble than it's worth, since SSB isn't supposed to have complicated button combos in the first place (and thus, be generally be more accessible than the usual fighting games).

True, but hitting UP on the D-pad is still way to easy I believe.​

Well, what I have in mind for EX type attacks is that the A and B buttons are pressed simultaneously in the direction desired. The only reason why I want the final smash to be so accessible is because there's no other way to a neutral EX attack.

Also True.​

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

the 'A' button is for smash attacks anyway right?
'B' is special techniques right?

Perhaps A+B should be 'special smash'?
Slighty more possibilities i suppose.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

And define super armor. xP​

Frames in the animation where no damage is done.
Squirtle usually has super armor frames during most of his shell based attacks.
Ivysaur's F-smash has super armor.
Ike's Aether pretty much is all super armor.

It makes little sense to give a tiny turtle super armor frames but give Bowser (HUGE TURTLE) almost no super armor frames.

 

[kirbywizard]

Frames in the animation where no damage is done.
Squirtle usually has super armor frames during most of his shell based attacks.
Ivysaur's F-smash has super armor.
Ike's Aether pretty much is all super armor.

It makes little sense to give a tiny turtle super armor frames but give Bowser (HUGE TURTLE) almost no super armor frames.

Actually it is no knockback, not no damage. They can still take damage it is just they won't move.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Wouldn't super armor for Bowser in his shell make him slightly broken? <_<

Hella. But i'm fine if they made him slow again like in melee for more defensive traits.
1. more Super armor frames (in midair etc)
2. knock back reduced by 20% when attacks hit the shell by battery weapons (swords, Hammers, plasma whip, etc).
3. Spike damage-
physical attacks from foes do a 3% recoil damage when you strike the back side (the shell) with no battery weapons. 30% reduced knock back.

+ Slower, bigger Bowser

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Actually it is no knockback, not no damage. They can still take damage it is just they won't move.

That seems to be the case with super armor in general.
Theres few that take no damage but stop the attacks completely.
(Ivysaur's F-smash)

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Neckbeard Torterra, you can put more than one quote in one post by clicking "Multiquote" on the first ones and then clicking "Quote" on the final one. Just giving a tutorial; I didn't know how to do that either until a few days ago.

And Sakurai isn't exactly fond of Sonic, right? Sonic could likely be cut from SSB4 if Sakurai isn't forced to put him in, and I'm not too big a Sonic fan, either.

 

[smashmanx7]

everyone been talking about for the new installment but i think they forgot one megaman hed be hes not nessiarly a 3rd party character so hed fit in his standard aaa- would kick punch then slash with his sword from mmbm his standardard b- would a blast from his cannon and his fs- a giagantic blast from hes cannon

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Neckbeard Torterra, you can put more than one quote in one post by clicking "Multiquote" on the first ones and then clicking "Quote" on the final one. Just giving a tutorial; I didn't know how to do that either until a few days ago.

And Sakurai isn't exactly fond of Sonic, right? Sonic could likely be cut from SSB4 if Sakurai isn't forced to put him in, and I'm not too big a Sonic fan, either.

I knew someone would bring that up.
But i'm typing from a PS3. It's freedoms are VERY limited when on screen keyboards block any possibilities of copy/pasting from a text area.

& Nintendo might force in Sonic for more cash. I don't think that'll be Sakurai's decision.

 

[rockem7]

I don't think Sonic will stay, due to the title of a guest character. Unless he decided to make a new home in smash, and he's paying his rent accordingly, he won't come back.

And also, we've talked about Megaman quite a few times. He technically is 3rd party since he is from Capcom. But he is one of the most likely Capcom reps to make it in.

 

[smashmanx7]

And also, we've talked about Megaman quite a few times. He technically is 3rd party since he is from Capcom. But he is one of the most likely Capcom reps to make it in.[/QUOTE]

first of if this post comes out wrongg its mostly beacause my laptop crashed a couple of days ago and using a psp now( dang dell ) so this qoute may come out wrong 2 about 3rd character mega been plenty of nintendo games so he cant be 3rd prty think im not that postive

 

[rockem7]

Sonic has quite a few games on Nintendo consoles, and yet he is considered 3rd party. Thus, the same rule is in effect for Megaman and Megaman characters.

Buttttt...He still has a rather high chance of getting in, seeing as he has tons of games.

 

[Rapax]

I would find it nice to know Saturos and Alex in SSBB4 (especially because i never have seen Alex fighting^^).

Or the Black Knight from Fire Emblem. Also Jaffar would be nice (FE7, i think).

And, of course, more possibilities in the stage builder and longer replays as well.

 

[rockem7]

I would find it nice to know Saturos and Alex in SSBB4 (especially because i never have seen Alex fighting^^).

I hope you're talking about Golden Sun, because I don't know any other game with those two people in it. But I don't think that they're up very high for Golden Sun representatives.

However, Jaffar would be pretty sweet. Any assassin from FE would be cool. But mostly since he is not a Lord, he probably won't make it in. I'd like to see the Black Knight in simply because he's one of the more popular FE antagonists, but I don't exactly know where he stands.

And I'm sure we all agree when it comes to longer replays and a better stage builder. ^.^

 

[Pieman0920]

@ Smashman

The amount of games you have on a company's systems doesn't determine if you are 3rd party or not. The original Mega Man had at least 8, while the Ice Climbers only had 1. What makes Mega Man a third party character is that he is owned by Capcom, rather than Nintendo.

Incidently, in case you don't know....

1st Party (The developer who is actualy the one who makes the console. Ex: Nintendo)
2nd Party ( Developer contracted exclusivly to work for a fiist party developer. This may not be quite right though. Ex: Retro for Nintendo, Rare for Microsoft)
3rd Party (Independant developer, who can make games for any of the consoles. Can theoretically make a first party game, but they don't exclusivly work for a console. Ex: Capcom, Sega, Konami)

Though quote my explinations for any debates though. They are rough.

 

[smashmanx7]

u know wat i never understood why roy was tooken out and replaced with ike they KINDA have the same the moveset a slash here and a fire stab there

 

[PeachRose]

I have a feeling they removed Roy mainly cause he had the same moveset as Marth. Along with Young Link, Dr.Mario and Pichu.​

 

[justaway12]

u know wat i never understood why roy was tooken out and replaced with ike they KINDA have the same the moveset a slash here and a fire stab there

They didn't really, the only thing they had was one slash (possibly) and one fire stab, and they didn't even fight the same but that's only my opinion , and I think there was a theory that he was planned but taken out due to time constraints (only a theory because his victory theme was in a file or something).

Anyway, comparing Roy to Ike is like comparing Mewtwo to Lucario even though they only had the same B move, but I suppose people do compare them alot ^_^;

Oh and Mario ROX!

 

[rockem7]

That, and the fact that Roy still hasn't had any games in the US while Ike has had two. I'm not sure if Radiant Dawn was prior to or post brawl, but Ike had more popularity at the time. And besides, Ike fights for his friends.

 

[smashmanx7]

why is wario in ssbb when i heard they put him game farting i thougth it was a joke but i guess hes there for comic relaf

 

[rockem7]

Wario has many successful games, like the Wario Ware games and Wario Land games. He is also a popular and recognizable character. He really didn't have a reason to NOT be in.

And what's wrong with his farts? Those can be used as a decent KO if you use it right.

 

[Jimnymebob]

I could see the ATs getting this fate. ( "/" means either way)
Andross-Boss/AT
Barbara-AT
Devil-AT
Dr. Wright-AT
Excitebikes-AT
Gray Fox-Character/AT
Hammer Bro-Character/AT
Helirin-AT
Infantry & Tanks-AT
Isaac-Character/AT
Jill-AT
Jeff-AT
Kat & Ana-AT
Knuckle Joe-AT
Lakitu-AT
Little Mac-Character/AT
Lyn-Character/AT
Metroid-AT
Mr. Resetti-AT
Nintendog-AT
Ray MK III-AT
Samurai Goroh-Character/AT
Saki-Character/AT
Shadow-Character/AT
Stafy-Character/AT
Tingle-Character/AT
Waluigi-Character/AT

*Puts up Flame Shield and Fire Wall*

Little Mac, Goroh, Saki, Stafy, Tingle and maybe Waluigi and Isaac have a chance of being playable, but the likes of Lyn, Shadow, Grey Fox and Hammer Bro are really doubtful.

There are newer FE reps than Lyn, and there's a good chance Sakurai may drfit away from the sword users for a change. Sonic has a lot of better reps than Shadow- the original 4 of Knuckles, Tails, Robotnik and Amy coming to mind, and SEGA has a lot of other franchises to go from as well. Grey Fox was only there as an AT for Snake. A second character from Konami would be a Castlevania one. Finally, Hammer Bros. has as much chance as the Nintendog.

About Pichu's Final Smash; seeing as Volt Tackle is Pichu's signature attack, I'm 90% sure he would have gotten that as well, but probably with easier or difficult control.

 

[smashmanx7]

first of i nvr said he sucks he is a decent character i just think hes a kinda a joke and ive played warioinc. ands its a pretty alright game

 

[rockem7]

What happened to RayMK III's chances at being playable? Wasn't it not too long ago that he was considered a good prospect? There are three (I believe) Custom Robo games out there, and if they make more before the next smash comes out, I think that Ray should have a chance in.

@smashman:
You asked why Wario was in SSBB. I gave you an answer.

 

[smashmanx7]

u know wat i figured out yesterday if ur snake in moses isle and u keep taunting u get a character bio o whoever cp or 2p

 

[PeachRose]

u know wat i figured yesterday if ur snake in moses isle and u keep taunting u get a character bio o whoever cp or 2p

Please stay on topic.
I don't think SSB4 will add any Megaman characters.
Here is my list:
Krystal
K.K. Rool
Perhaps Leon..
Maybe Waluigi
​

 

[rockem7]

I think that SSB4 will add Megaman. Look at how many games he has. He's possibly the most popular Capcom character. And Leon won't make it in. Especially not if Krystal makes it in. And I don't think that Waluigi will make it in because he's only been in Spinoff games. If they came out with some sort of Waluigi series, then maybe he'll have more of a chance. But as of now, they are slight.

And...although he probably won't make it in, I'd love to see Bomberman. He'd be great.