[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[rockem7]

He's in Super Mario Baseball. I know that. And Super Mario Sunshine. He uses his paintbrush to do a bunch of random stuff.

I'm for Bowser Jr.

 

[Starphoenix]

And we don't need Rosalina. Even with her roles, she still shouldn't be playable in Smash 4. The sixth Mario rep should be Fawful, because he makes a great WTF character. He's at least a better choice than another Mario series princess (which we don't need, by the way).

We don't need a lot of things in Smash, but the issue isn't need. If you think Fawful would be chosen over Rosalina you might want to think again. I am not saying she will get in.

He's in Super Mario Baseball. I know that. And Super Mario Sunshine. He uses his paintbrush to do a bunch of random stuff.

I'm for Bowser Jr.

Oh yeah, because that makes him so much better a candidate than a character with a wand and star bits.

Yeah, Rosalina shouldn't be playable in Smash 4; even Heike Kagero (don't know who that is, do you?) from Super Punch-Out!! for the SNES would be a better candidate.

What? That does not even make any sense, there is no comparison. Petey Piranha would have been a better comparison.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Heike Kagero is still a better candidate than Rosalina.

 

[rockem7]

Oops. I see where that could have come off wrong. I meant I'm for Bowser Jr., not over Rosalina, just in general. But that's because he is more popular and that he has more roles than those two games I listed. Those were just the two that came to mind. He's also in Mario Power Tennis, Mario Kart Double Dash, and a few others. I know those aren't exactly good examples, but oh well. If I recall correctly, he was also in Super Mario Galaxy.

Rosalina could possibly be an Alt for Peach? I mean, when I first played Super Mario Galaxy I thought that she was Peach's sister or something.

Will anything stop Mario from attracting blondes in dresses? I think not. >.>

 

[Big-Cat]

Rosalina could possibly be an Alt for Peach? I mean, when I first played Super Mario Galaxy I thought that she was Peach's sister or something.

Supposedly, she was originally designed as her sister. Although, I've heard that Peach is the reincarnation of Rosalina's mother, but I don't know if that's true.

 

[Pieman0920]

How is Heike Kagero a better canidate? Heike is a third tier PO character, while Rosalina is a third tier Mario character, which by itself means Rosalina has a higher chance. Not to mention the fact that Kagero was from a game that came out over 10 years ago, while Rosalina had a major role in a recent game, and probably will show up in a future game (SMG2) as well. While neither character is likely to be a playable character, Kagero makes no sense, and probably wouldn't even be an AT, while Rosalina makes a tiny bit of sense, and has a very good chance of being an AT.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

List of Alternate Costumes in Smash 4

Mario: overalls, striker suit, and doctor clothes

Luigi: overalls and Mr. L costume (in 3-D, not paper form)

Wario: overalls and biker outfit

Fawful: his red robe and his final Fawful fight costume (the white, flashy cape or whatever it's called)

Link: his usual outfit and his TP rancher outfit

Toon Link: his usual outfit and his Spirit Tracks outfit

Fox and Falco: their usual outfits and their Assault outfits

Red the Pokemon Trainer: his FRLG outfit and his RBY outfit

Ike: his PoR outfit and his RD outfit (with both outfits giving him the hair length he had in PoR)

Micaiah: her starting outfit and her light sage outfit

Got any comments?

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Really, don't expect Rosalina to be playable. She does deserve some more cameos, such as more trophies, stickers, maybe stage appearances, possibly an Assist Trophy. Rosalina isn't as deserving or likely as Bowser Jr., Toad, or Paper Mario. and I'm pretty sure there won't be eight Mario slots, most likely no more than five. Bowser Jr. takes the fifth, and if we did see a sixth, that slot would belong to Paper Mario or Toad.

 

[kirbywizard]

Mario: overalls, striker suit, and doctor clothes

Luigi: overalls and Mr. L costume (in 3-D, not paper form)

Wario: overalls and biker outfit

Fawful: his red robe and his final Fawful fight costume (the white, flashy cape or whatever it's called)

Link: his usual outfit and his TP rancher outfit

Toon Link: his usual outfit and his Spirit Tracks outfit

Fox and Falco: their usual outfits and their Assault outfits

Red the Pokemon Trainer: his FRLG outfit and his RBY outfit

Ike: his PoR outfit and his RD outfit (with both outfits giving him the hair length he had in PoR)

Micaiah: her starting outfit and her light sage outfit

Got any comments?

As long as Ike is in the roster then Micaiah's chances are low. Sure she was a lord but Ike was the main lord in both Path Of Radiance and Radinat Dawn ( not as much as in Path of Radiance but still a lot)

 

[Clownbot]

Mario: overalls, striker suit, and doctor clothes

Good.

Luigi: overalls and Mr. L costume (in 3-D, not paper form)

Okay.

Wario: overalls and biker outfit

No problem....

Fawful: his red robe and his final Fawful fight costume (the white, flashy cape or whatever it's called)

Assuming he gets in, sure.

Link: his usual outfit and his TP rancher outfit

Well, he's probably going to get a somewhat new design with Zelda Wii, as well as possible new tunics, outfits, etc., so....

Toon Link: his usual outfit and his Spirit Tracks outfit

I didn't know Toon Link looked any different in ST.

What about Pajama Link?

Fox and Falco: their usual outfits and their Assault outfits

Good....

Red the Pokemon Trainer: his FRLG outfit and his RBY outfit

No prob....

Ike: his PoR outfit and his RD outfit (with both outfits giving him the hair length he had in PoR)

Cool....

Micaiah: her starting outfit and her light sage outfit

Assuming she gets in, okay.

Got any comments?

Comments in bold.

 

[kirbywizard]

Actually for Toon Link a good alternate costume could be that lobster shirt you can unlock in the second playthrough.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I think there should be trophies of characters in their alternate costumes, and make extra costumes hidden content.

 

[rockem7]

I doubt that Micaiah will make it in. No offense.
I think that Isaac from GS should make it in. He's more amazing. And he has great moveset potential.

All in all, my Top 2 to see make it in are Starfy and Isaac.

 

[kirbywizard]

I think there should be trophies of characters in their alternate costumes, and make extra costumes hidden content.

I second this

 

[Clownbot]

I doubt that Micaiah will make it in. No offense.
I think that Isaac from GS should make it in. He's more amazing. And he has great moveset potential.

All in all, my Top 2 to see make it in are Starfy and Isaac.

Bias ftl.

I'd think that a GS3 rep would get in before Isaac, unless GS3 goes over terribly or something....

 

[Starphoenix]

Really, don't expect Rosalina to be playable. She does deserve some more cameos, such as more trophies, stickers, maybe stage appearances, possibly an Assist Trophy. Rosalina isn't as deserving or likely as Bowser Jr., Toad, or Paper Mario. and I'm pretty sure there won't be eight Mario slots, most likely no more than five. Bowser Jr. takes the fifth, and if we did see a sixth, that slot would belong to Paper Mario or Toad.

I'm not expecting her to be, I am saying she could be a possibility down the road depending on where she goes after Galaxy 2 (if she is even in that).

Deserving is subjective, frankly I don't find Bowser. Jr deserving. Toad is the most "deserving" of anyone and I would much rather see Paper Mario over any Mario character albeit Rosalina, Bowser. Jr, Waluigi, Wart, etc...

Mario: overalls, striker suit, and doctor clothes

Luigi: overalls and Mr. L costume (in 3-D, not paper form)

Wario: overalls and biker outfit

Fawful: his red robe and his final Fawful fight costume (the white, flashy cape or whatever it's called)

Link: his usual outfit and his TP rancher outfit

Toon Link: his usual outfit and his Spirit Tracks outfit

Fox and Falco: their usual outfits and their Assault outfits

Red the Pokemon Trainer: his FRLG outfit and his RBY outfit

Ike: his PoR outfit and his RD outfit (with both outfits giving him the hair length he had in PoR)

Micaiah: her starting outfit and her light sage outfit

Got any comments?

No Paach? I forgot; no wonder you don't like the idea of Rosalina. lol

 

[Wizzerd]

I didn't know Toon Link looked any different in ST.

He has a conductor outfit! Toot toot!

AWESOME

 

[Spydr Enzo]

Isaac is possible and pretty likely as well. But remember, we also have just as great a possibility of seeing a future (Golden Sun 3) main protagonist as well. Only one of them will make it, I don't think both are very likely.

Starfy was never very significant or popular at all in the first place, plus he has been Japan-only for a while now, and his transition to America wasn't the greatest thing. The only thing backing him up is Sakurai's bias, which may not be that big in the first place, and even Sakurai knows that there are many more characters that are more popular and have more games and more depth that deserved to be represented.

Rosalina is a possibility, but a small one, and she isn't very likely either. She's been in one game (possibly two), and although she has had big roles, that is all she has had. There are Mario characters that have been around much longer and are much more popular than she is. Toad is one of the original characters and a very familiar face. Bowser Jr. has appeared in quite a few games, often with large roles, sometimes even being equivalent to (or greater than) Bowser's. Paper Mario has spanned across the last three consoles, each of the games being very popular and selling very well. Rosalina will most likely be an Assist Trophy or have some other appearance, but the probability of her being playable is pretty low.

 

[rockem7]

Yeah, I understand that the GS3 protagonist will trump Isaac in most cases.

However, Starfy did not go over too terribly in America. As I said, the game was advertised (iirc) more than Pokemon Platinum was on TV. And in Japan, it's also somewhat popular. I'm not saying it's Mario, but it holds some relevance in Japan. Thus Starfy got an AT, and since a Starfy game has been released in America post-Brawl, his chances have grown somewhat. Who knows, what if yet another Starfy game is released before the next SSB? Then he should be a shoe in with 6-7 games, as well as being popular in Japan and (mostly younger kids, but.) America.

 

[Pieman0920]

Well while I don't know much about Starfy, I think his chances are at least somewhat decent. Most Brawl content was based on what happened between Melee and Brawl, and odds SSB4 will work the same. Since Starfy has crossed the seas after Brawl's release, its possible that more of his series will be represented. In addition, I can't help but think that SSB4 may see a much greater focus on introducing newer series, unlike Brawl's tendency to balance out the roster.

But yes, while I argued that Rosalina would be more likely than Kagero, she still doesn't have much of a chance. Bowser Jr. is probably the character who's situation is the closest to hers, and given that Bowser Jr. has shown up in more games, and has more people wanting him to get in, it seems clear who the better choice would be.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Actually for Toon Link a good alternate costume could be that lobster shirt you can unlock in the second playthrough.

lol wut? from WW?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Well while I don't know much about Starfy, I think his chances are at least somewhat decent. Most Brawl content was based on what happened between Melee and Brawl, and odds SSB4 will work the same. Since Starfy has crossed the seas after Brawl's release, its possible that more of his series will be represented. In addition, I can't help but think that SSB4 may see a much greater focus on introducing newer series, unlike Brawl's tendency to balance out the roster.

But yes, while I argued that Rosalina would be more likely than Kagero, she still doesn't have much of a chance. Bowser Jr. is probably the character who's situation is the closest to hers, and given that Bowser Jr. has shown up in more games, and has more people wanting him to get in, it seems clear who the better choice would be.

Well, Starfy certainly has some chances. If he does get in, though, his size may have to be changed a bit.

That said, I think SSB4 will focus on both the old (retro NES/Famicom) and the new (Wii/DS) more than the established (Mario, Zelda, etc), since the latter will most likely have the rest of their most popular reps show up (or not). This is not set in stone, though, so you never know.

As for Bowser Jr., I find it ironic that just about everyone expects him to show up, even though some hate him with the intensity of a thousand suns for single-handedly replacing the Koopa Kids. But hey, what can you do? At the very least, the Koopa Kids will finally get to show up in the Wii version of New Super Mario Bros.

 

[rockem7]

Hmm...Koopa Kids would be interesting to see also. Didn't someone once purpose the idea of an Azelf/Uxie/Mesprit that all three of them were on the stage at once? That effect could work for the Koopa Kids.

...What about Hammer Bro? He's been in a lot of games, he was an AT in Brawl, and his popularity was very high for a while...I think it's gone down a bit, but we'll see what happens in future Mario games.

 

[Pieman0920]

There's a huge difference between having three characters on the stage (which still hasn't happened yet) and seven. If four people all decided to use the Koopa Kids and there were really seven at a time, then there would be 28 characters right there on the field, and odds are, that would be a bit laggy.

The Hammer Brothers being generic enemies doesn't help their case at all. So far, said generic enemies have been...well generic enemies. On top of that, if that type of character could pottentially get into Smash, Goombas, Koopas, and Shy Guys all seems like they would require attention first.

 

[rockem7]

I was thinking something more along the lines of three Koopa Kids, like it is in Mario Party 5 I believe. And...Hammer Bro was playable in Mario Party 8, (which was probably prior to Brawl, I can't quite remember....) So I think that puts him a bit higher than the generic Mario enemy like a Goomba or something.

 

[Pieman0920]

...Those Koopa Kids? I don't think anyone out there wants them...Heck, even though they would be easier to add in, they have even less chance I'd think, since they are essentially tiny Bowser clones, and if anyone is going to be a tiny Bowser clone in SSB4, its going to be Bowser Jr. (And if there is going to be a second tiny Bowser clone, then its going to be Baby Bowser)

Also, Goombas, Koopas, and Shy Guys have all been playable before.

 

[rockem7]

Ahh, you're right. My mistake.

And I meant playable outside of a sports/racing game. And if I'm still incorrect, please remind me which games those characters were playable in.

 

[Pieman0920]

Not many Mario characters have actually been playable outside of sports/racing games, and I really wouldn't count Mario Party out of the loop there. In any case, to a certain extent, they are playable within first two Paper Mario's as there was a goomba and Koopa Troopa partner in each. Shy Guy is mostly stuck in sports games, but if you want to count Mario Party as a non-sport game, then he counts there, since he was playable in MP4. (Incidently, so was the standard Koopa Troopa)

 

[rockem7]

I don't exactly have a standpoint on the Paper Mario vs. Mario thing, but many think that Paper Mario is a different game entirely. From what I've seen from the couple of times I've played it, and looking stuff up, the only newcomer in MP4 was Waluigi. Not Shy Guy or Koopa Troopa.

 

[Pieman0920]

Hmm? I guess you're technically right. I was just looking at the Mario Wiki and noticed that on their playable character's list that they listed them under playable in MP4, although I didn't pay enough attention to that they were only playable in something called Beach Volley Folley.

 

[rockem7]

Ahh. So I still say that Hammer Bro should be in, and depending on future games (Super Mario Bros. Wii, ect.) if he has another game where he isn't just some simple "jump on my head or hit me with a fireball" enemy, I think he should have a viable chance.

 

[Pieman0920]

I still don't get the logic though. You're saying the other more recognisable and iconic enemies shouldn't get in over the Hammer Brother because they only showed up in sports game (minus the RPGs) and that somehow Mario Party doesn't link up with the sports games. By that logic, then Waluigi and Daisy should get in as well, since they are also not just sports characters, due to them being in the MP games. Also, what about Toad, Toadette, Birdo, Drybones, and Blooper?

 

[rockem7]

Waluigi would be the main problem with my logic, because I'm supporting Hammer Bro seeing as he's already in Brawl as an AT. And the way things have been going on this thread, people that are AT's seem to have slightly higher chances at getting in. And the only reason I wouldn't see toad getting in is simply because of Peach's moveset, which uses a Toad. Similar to an Anti-Waddle Dee arguement, but you would have to alter Peach's moveset in order to put Toad in...Which may be doable, but I'm just looking at less work.

 

[PeachRose]

Lol Pichu...talk about useless characters.
I think Krystal and Leon would make a good addition. I don't know about a Daisy...as long as it isn't some Peach clone. And of course more sonic characters would be nice.​

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

@rockem7:

Look, just because a Hammer Bro is an AT, doesn't necessarily mean that he will become part of the roster of SSB4.

I mean, look at some of the ATs: there's Andross (a big giant head), tanks & infantry from Advance/Famicom wars, a Metroid, a Nintendog and Dr. Wright, among others.

The main reason why ATs were invented was because they would allow some of the non-playable characters to take part in the Smash action. Another reason is because they're not suitable to become part of the roster.

Granted, some of them may have a chance to become fully playable in the future (e.g. Little Mac, Samurai Goroh, Saki Amamiya), but for the most part, ATs have no chance to become playable.

Lol Pichu...talk about useless characters.
I think Krystal and Leon would make a good addition. I don't know about a Daisy...as long as it isn't some Peach clone. And of course more sonic characters would be nice.​

I would be careful if I were you. There are some Pichu fans somewhere, I'm fairly certain.

Also, Krystal may have some good chances of showing up next time. Leon is a little more doubtful, though.

I wouldn't expect more Sonic chacracters to show up, however.

That said, welcome to SWF! I do hope that you will enjoy your stay here.

 

[rockem7]

As far as I know, I never said he WILL be in. I just said that it'd be cool, and supported him with reasons. I could make a moveset pretty simply for him also. And don't say that AT's have no chance to become playable, because almost half (give or take) of the people we have been discussing are AT's in Brawl.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Good enough, then. :bigthumbu

How would someone like Andross work, though (or Metroid, for that matter)?

 

[PeachRose]

Thanks for the welcome! And sorry did not mean to offend any Pichu mains.
I want to see Knuckles! Or Tails!
​

 

[rockem7]

Andross is just a floating head...I don't think he'd work.
Metroid would be pushing it a little also. There are other Metroid Characters that are more likely than him. Such as Ridley, possibly even Dark Samus.

And I don't think we'll be seeing more Sonic characters. He was a guest character, after all.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Andross is just a floating head...I don't think he'd work.
Metroid would be pushing it a little also. There are other Metroid Characters that are more likely than him. Such as Ridley, possibly even Dark Samus. .

Thought so. The point that I had been trying to put across earlier was: there are ATs that would work as roster additions and some that couldn't work.

I apologize if I miscommunicated this in any way.

And I don't think we'll be seeing more Sonic characters. He was a guest character, after all.

Indeed. Guest fighters don't have the same privileges as the Nintendo fighters. Guest franchises can only have their main stars as roster additions.