[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Mario the Jumpman]

SSB4 Character List

Here's a list of PCs, bosses, AT helpers, and Pokebal Pokemon for Smash 4:

Playable: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Bowser Jr., Fawful, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, King K. Rool, Yoshi, Wario, Link, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Tingle, Samus, Zero Suit Samus as a separate fighter, Ridley, Kirby, Meta-Knight, King Dedede, Fox, Falco, Wolf OR Krystal, Pikachu, PT with Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, Captain Falcon, Ness, Lucas, Marth, Ike, Micaiah, Ice Climbers, Pit, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Olimar, Little Mac, Saki OR Isa, Isaac OR GS3 protagonist, Takamaru, Animal Crosser, Chibi-Robo, Snake, Sonic, and Megaman (Classic OR X version)

Boss: Master Hand, Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Petey Pirhana, Giratina, Gyord (from Zelda: MM), King Hippo, Pigma OR Andross, Medeus OR Ashera, Kraid, Emperor Bulblax OR Titan Dweevil, and King Cut Out (the cardboard K. Rool boss from DK 64)

Assist Trophy: Ray Mk III, Lyndis, Roy, Dr. Wright, Mr. Resetti, Waluigi, Nintendog, Saki OR Isa, Isaac OR GS3 protagonist, Gray Fox, Vaati, Metroid, Knuckle Joe, Jeff, Jill, Kat & Ana, Barbara, Excitebikes, Helirin, Glass Joe, Hammer Bro., Starfy, Samurai Goroh, Infantry and Tanks, Palutena, Midna, Wolf OR Krystal, Tails, Dr. Wily OR Vile (depends on Megaman version), Dixie Kong, Empress Bulblax, Mach Rider, and Chain Chomp

Pokeball: Bonsly, Metagross, Gardevoir, Kyogre, Groudon, Piplup, Torchic, Chikorita, Honchkrow (summoning flock of Murkrow), Weavile, Electrode, Togepi, Wobbuffet, Snorlax, Munchlax, Gulpin, Bellossom, Magikarp, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Celebi, Mew, Jirachi, Manaphy, Staryu, Entei, Suicune, Zapdos, Deoxys, one of the "Hitmon" Pokemon, Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, Xatu, Ariados, Ditto, and Staraptor

I am allowing suggestions as long as they don't involve characters that didn't originate from video games (so no Yoda, Naruto, Ichigo, etc.).

 

[lordvaati]

Here's a list of PCs, bosses, AT helpers, and Pokebal Pokemon for Smash 4:

Playable: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Bowser Jr., Fawful, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, King K. Rool, Yoshi, Wario, Link, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Tingle, Samus, Zero Suit Samus as a separate fighter, Ridley, Kirby, Meta-Knight, King Dedede, Fox, Falco, Wolf OR Krystal, Pikachu, PT with Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, Captain Falcon, Ness, Lucas, Marth, Ike, Micaiah, Ice Climbers, Pit, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Olimar, Little Mac, Saki OR Isa, Isaac OR GS3 protagonist, Takamaru, Animal Crosser, Chibi-Robo, Snake, Sonic, and Megaman (Classic OR X version)

Boss: Master Hand, Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Petey Pirhana, Giratina, Gyord (from Zelda: MM), King Hippo, Pigma OR Andross, Medeus OR Ashera, Kraid, Emperor Bulblax OR Titan Dweevil, and King Cut Out (the cardboard K. Rool boss from DK 64)

Assist Trophy: Ray Mk III, Lyndis, Roy, Dr. Wright, Mr. Resetti, Waluigi, Nintendog, Saki OR ISa, Isaac OR GS3 protagonist, Gray Fox, Vaati, Metroid, Knuckle Joe, Jeff, Jill, Kat & Ana, Barbara, Excitebikes, Helirin, Glass Joe, Hammer Bro., Starfy, Samurai Goroh, Infantry and Tanks, Palutena, Midna, Wolf OR Krystal, Tails, Dr. Wily OR Vile (depends on Megaman version), Dixie Kong, Empress Bulblax, Mach Rider, and Chain Chomp

Pokeball: Bonsly, Metagross, Gardevoir, Kyogre, Groudon, Piplup, Torchic, Chikorita, Honchkrow (summoning flock of Murkrow), Weavile, Electrode, Togepi, Wobbuffet, Snorlax, Munchlax, Gulpin, Bellossom, Magikarp, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Celebi, Mew, Jirachi, Manaphy, Staryu, Entei, Suicune, Zapdos, Deoxys, one of the "Hitmon" Pokemon, Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, Xatu, Ariados, Ditto, and Staraptor

I am allowing suggestions as long as they don't involve characters that didn't originate from video games (so no Yoda, Naruto, Ichigo, etc.).

playable: Fawful, as much as I love the crazy bugger, I see as an assist trophy, however he stil has a better chance of being a playable character than Waluigi :D. same for chibi. Megaman will most likely/definately be classic, since that is Inafune's favorite incarnation of him. I think Isa has a better chance of getting in than her pop.

bosses: agree with pretty much all, but Tabuu should stay dead, and another new villain should appear, since the Subspace saga is over.

assist trophy: Vaati i can see as a boss, and for Megaman, his AT should be Roll(she would run around hitting people with her broom.)

suggestions: for character or Boss: Masked Man, Dark Samus

AT: Ashley, Roll(as stated), Prof. E. Gadd,The alien animals from Super Metroid/Metroid Fusion(remember them?)

Pokemon: Castform

 

[drag0nscythe]

I think he means to say that it is possible to make...could be wrong though ^_^;.

you are correct.
People cannot say "It cannot be done."

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

playable: Fawful, as much as I love the crazy bugger, I see as an assist trophy, however he stil has a better chance of being a playable character than Waluigi :D. same for chibi. Megaman will most likely/definately be classic, since that is Inafune's favorite incarnation of him. I think Isa has a better chance of getting in than her pop.

bosses: agree with pretty much all, but Tabuu should stay dead, and another new villain should appear, since the Subspace saga is over.

assist trophy: Vaati i can see as a boss, and for Megaman, his AT should be Roll(she would run around hitting people with her broom.)

suggestions: for character or Boss: Masked Man, Dark Samus

AT: Ashley, Roll(as stated), The alien animals from Super Metroid/Metroid Fusion(remember them?)

Pokemon: Castform

Isa is a girl? Where did you hear that?

Wouldn't Fawful make a great WTF character (at least an easier option than Geno)?

 

[lordvaati]

Isa is a girl? Where did you hear that?

Wouldn't Fawful make a great WTF character (at least an easier option than Geno)?

oop, got confused with Kachi. I added a new assist trophy, btw.

 

[Clownbot]

Here's a list of PCs, bosses, AT helpers, and Pokebal Pokemon for Smash 4:

Playable: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Bowser Jr., Fawful, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, King K. Rool, Yoshi, Wario, Link, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Tingle, Samus, Zero Suit Samus as a separate fighter, Ridley, Kirby, Meta-Knight, King Dedede, Fox, Falco, Wolf OR Krystal, Pikachu, PT with Squirtle/Ivysaur/Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo OR a latest-gen pokemon, Lucario, Captain Falcon, Ness, Lucas, Marth, Ike, Micaiah OR a new FE Lord, Ice Climbers, Pit, Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Olimar, Little Mac, Saki OR Isa, Isaac OR GS3 protagonist, Takamaru, Animal Crosser, Chibi-Robo, Snake, Sonic, and Megaman (Classic OR X version)

Boss: Master Hand, Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Petey Pirhana, Giratina, Gyord (from Zelda: MM), King Hippo, Pigma OR Andross, Medeus OR Ashera, Kraid, Emperor Bulblax OR Titan Dweevil, and King Cut Out (the cardboard K. Rool boss from DK 64)

Assist Trophy: Ray Mk III, Lyndis, Roy, Dr. Wright, Mr. Resetti, Waluigi, Nintendog, Saki OR Isa, Isaac OR GS3 protagonist, Gray Fox, Vaati, Metroid, Knuckle Joe, Jeff, Jill, Kat & Ana, Barbara, Excitebikes, Helirin, Glass Joe, Hammer Bro., Starfy, Samurai Goroh, Infantry and Tanks, Palutena, Midna, Wolf OR Krystal, Tails, Dr. Wily OR Vile (depends on Megaman version) Proto Man, Dixie Kong, Empress Bulblax, Mach Rider, and Chain Chomp

Pokeball: Bonsly, Metagross, Gardevoir, Kyogre, Groudon, Piplup, Torchic, Chikorita, Honchkrow (summoning flock of Murkrow), Weavile, Electrode, Togepi, Wobbuffet, Snorlax, Munchlax, Gulpin, Bellossom, Magikarp, Ho-Oh, Lugia, Celebi, Mew, Jirachi, Manaphy, Staryu, Entei, Suicune, Zapdos, Deoxys, one of the "Hitmon" Pokemon, Porygon-Z, Rhyperior, Xatu, Ariados, Ditto, and Staraptor

I am allowing suggestions as long as they don't involve characters that didn't originate from video games (so no Yoda, Naruto, Ichigo, etc.).

Crossed out = prolly not gonna happen

Bolded = edits/additions of my own

UNDERLINED (guh, I'm such an idiot ) = who are these guys?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Crossed out = prolly not gonna happen

Bolded = edits/additions of my own

Italics = who are these guys?

Most of the quote is in italics.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Italics = who are these guys?

You might want to try another way of highlighting that, because in quoted comments, everything is italized. It's hard to tell.

 

[Clownbot]

It's been edited. Wow, I'm stupid.

 

[lordvaati]

baddies from Pikmin.

 

[kirbywizard]

baddies from Pikmin.

The last and final boss of Pikmin one. A very hard fight if you didn't know what you did and you could end up losing 20 pikmin with just one of his tounge attacks.

The final boss of pikmin 2, he is equipped all the elements in ever pikmin game. Truely a monster to behold.

 

[Pieman0920]

@Stage Comments, Krow as a little mini-boss is just a dispensable side effect that would be cool, but unlikely. Still, Gankplank Galleon seems to be next in line for DK stages. And a racing stage sounds...decent, but I don't know how the reception would be. It would never be about Barrel Blast, which was pretty darn awful. They had a chance to do that in Brawl (it was out at the time), but skipped over it for Jungle Beat. Diddy Kong Racing is a cool game, but is it part of the DK series? It had no representation in Brawl as far as I know, and the DS one sucked...it might be a cool Mario Circuit replacement, but it's still a bit iffy. I'd say if not a second DKC stage, one from DK64, or a new game.

Spoiler

I wish...

If there had to be one from a

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mediocre

new game, I'd think there would be something from those weird-a*s swing games. We will have to wait and see...

But isn't that kind of stuck in the past? Out of the five DK stages we've had so far, three were from the DKC/64 series. While adding one more is fine for the sake of representing past games, two just seems a bit much. The racing idea would only be applicable if there is no real game inbetween the time of Brawl and SSB4, since the theme can use ideas from multiple DK games.

And finally, Animal Buddy crates. I'm leaning towards Cranky as an AT, so these fit best here. There are no DK items other than arcade-era ones. While these are still plenty important, these can add some variety. Buddies are basically controllable steeds that characters ride that can damage foes.

For example, Rambi the rhino could charge around, character on back, plowing into foes with his tusk. Winky the frog could boost the characters' jumps, or lick foes up and spit them out. Squitter the spider could sling webshots at enemies. Squawks the parrot could fly around with foes, shooting out nuts. Ellie the elephant could squirt water to push foes around, or suck items closer to her with her trunk. On and on, these have great potential, but we'll have to see. Maybe we'll just get a Lube-Coated Banana that causes characters to trip not only once, but twice in a row. Or some other lame revamp item...

I don't see why Cranky should be a AT though. The only idea I've really heard for him is if he works like Resetti, but why even bother with that? Just have Resetti return for that. A Rambi AT would make much more sense in my opinion, since the we really don't need a thid summoning item, especially given that the Animal Helpers havn't been used that much in recent games. Plus, think of SSB5 afterwards. If the current trend with the lack of animal helpers continues, there won't be much to add to the concept.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

But isn't that kind of stuck in the past? Out of the five DK stages we've had so far, three were from the DKC/64 series. While adding one more is fine for the sake of representing past games, two just seems a bit much. The racing idea would only be applicable if there is no real game inbetween the time of Brawl and SSB4, since the theme can use ideas from multiple DK games.

I agree with this. Gangplank Galleon will do.

I don't see why Cranky should be a AT though. The only idea I've really heard for him is if he works like Resetti, but why even bother with that?

Because we haven't seen him complain about "new-fangled games" since Rare stopped doing Donkey Kong games. It would be nice to see him do that again, for old times' sake (especially with that "Real is brown" trend that Sony and Microsoft have going on).

Resetti should return, though.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Here are two new ideas for SSB4:

First, more depth for underwater combat.

Second, an item that temporarily turns fighters to stone.

 

['V']

Hopefully it'll actually BE the party game it was made to be.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Hopefully it'll actually BE the party game it was made to be.

Sadly, people don't consider it to be like that...

 

[Jerome]

SSBB 4 roster

* means you have to unlock

Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario
Geno (or Daisy)*
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (Decloned)*
Toon Link (Decloned)
Toon Zelda/Sheik *
Midna*
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King Krool*
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley*
Yoshi
Birdo
Kirby
Meta Knight*
King Dedede
Knuckle Joe*
Fox
Falco (Decloned)
Wolf (Decloned)*
Krystal*
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (Bulbasuar, Charmander, & Squirtle option to evolve)
Lucario
Jigglypuff*
Mewtwo (Buffed)*
Fifth Generation Pokemon*
Captain Falcon
Jody Summers
Samurai Goroh*
Ness
Lucas (Decloned)*
Ana
Ice Climbers
Polar Bear*
Marth
Ike
Roy*(Decloned)
Lyn*
Mr. Game & Watch*
Wario
Waluigi
Ashley*
Pit
R.O.B.*
Olimar
Louie*
Snake
Gray Fox*
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles (and/or Shadow or Silver)*
Animal Crossing Boy (Yu)
Animal Crossing Girl (Ai)*
Mr. Resetti*
Little Mac
Isaac
Another Golden Sun Character*
Chibi-Robo*

Also there should be two kinds of final smashes for each character. An offensive final smash and a defensive final smash. You get to decide which one you want to do.
I know this is a bit much but I hope the roster for SSB4 has most of these characters.
Also, this is my first time posting here.

 

[Avenu]

Sadly, people don't consider it to be like that...

There wouldn't be a smashboards if they did.

* means you have to unlock

Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario
Geno (or Daisy)*
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (Decloned)*
Toon Link (Decloned)
Toon Zelda/Sheik *
Midna*
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King Krool*
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley*
Yoshi
Birdo
Kirby
Meta Knight*
King Dedede
Knuckle Joe*
Fox
Falco (Decloned)
Wolf (Decloned)*
Krystal*
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (Bulbasuar, Charmander, & Squirtle option to evolve)
Lucario
Jigglypuff*
Mewtwo (Buffed)*
Fifth Generation Pokemon*
Captain Falcon
Jody Summers
Samurai Goroh*
Ness
Lucas (Decloned)*
Ana
Ice Climbers
Polar Bear*
Marth
Ike
Roy*(Decloned)
Lyn*
Mr. Game & Watch*
Wario
Waluigi
Ashley*
Pit
R.O.B.*
Olimar
Louie*
Snake
Gray Fox*
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles (and/or Shadow or Silver)*
Animal Crossing Boy (Yu)
Animal Crossing Girl (Ai)*
Mr. Resetti*
Little Mac
Isaac
Another Golden Sun Character*
Chibi-Robo*



Also there should be two kinds of final smashes for each character. An offensive final smash and a defensive final smash. You get to decide which one you want to do.
I know this is a bit much but I hope the roster for SSB4 has most of these characters.
Also, this is my first time posting here.

Cuadruple layere'd disc for the win? lolololol.

Not to mention some of those characters are wtf characters.

Polar bear? Animal Crosser? How can anyone even come up with movesets for them? To top it off, 2 of them? Shadow Mario? Birdo? This isn't mario party. Toon Zelda?

Sigh.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

What do you guys think of an underwater stage in Smash 4? It would be like a decrease in gravity, as in slower running speed, slower falling speed, and higher jumps. Oh, and due to the water being oxeginated (that happened once on Banjo-Tooie), the fighters could breathe underwater, and due to reasons unknown (could be magic), fire, ice, and electricity work like they do on dry land.

Any opinions?

 

[Avenu]

What do you guys think of an underwater stage in Smash 4? It would be like a decrease in gravity, as in slower running speed, slower falling speed, and higher jumps. Oh, and due to the water being oxeginated (that happened once on Banjo-Tooie), the fighters could breathe underwater, and due to reasons unknown (could be magic), fire, ice, and electricity work like they do on dry land.

Any opinions?

That would actually be pretty cool- it would add some kind of diversity to the stages. It's one of the few non-stupid suggestions I've seen on the past pages >_>

 

[drag0nscythe]

That would actually be pretty cool- it would add some kind of diversity to the stages. It's one of the few non-stupid suggestions I've seen on the past pages >_>

one has define what said stupid suggestions were.

Anyway, I think water combat could use an update. Make it that characters swim instead of run. That they are constantly falling and jump makes them swim up into the air. Have it that while they are swimming, it is always aerial attacks.

Then throw in Yae with her mermaid transformation and make the game perfect.

 

[Clownbot]

Here are two new ideas for SSB4:

First, more depth for underwater combat.

Second, an item that temporarily turns fighters to stone.

Underwater combat? It would have to be smoothed out a bit, but I think it could work. Maybe an underwater stage from SMB.

But how would the stone item be any different from the metal box?

Hopefully it'll actually BE the party game it was made to be.

I can already hear the hardcore competitive players whining.

* means you have to unlock

Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario
Geno (or Daisy)*
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (somewhat Decloned)*
Toon Link (somewhat Decloned)
Toon Zelda/Sheik *
Midna*
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King Krool*
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley*
Yoshi
Birdo
Kirby
Meta Knight*
King Dedede
Knuckle Joe*
Fox
Falco (Decloned)
Wolf (Decloned)*
Krystal*
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer (Bulbasuar, Charmander, & Squirtle option to evolve)
Lucario
Jigglypuff*
Mewtwo (Buffed)*
Fifth Generation Pokemon*
Captain Falcon
Jody Summers
Samurai Goroh*
Ness
Lucas (somewhat Decloned)*
Ana
Ice Climbers
Polar Bear*
Marth
Ike
Roy*(Decloned)
Lyn*
Mr. Game & Watch*
Wario
Waluigi
Ashley*
Pit
R.O.B.*
Olimar
Louie*
Snake
Gray Fox*
Sonic
Tails
Knuckles (and/or Shadow or Silver)*
Animal Crossing Boy with the AC girl as a palette swap(Yu)
Animal Crossing Girl (Ai)*
Mr. Resetti*
Little Mac
Isaac OR a GS3 character
Another Golden Sun Character*
Chibi-Robo*

Also there should be two kinds of final smashes for each character. An offensive final smash and a defensive final smash. You get to decide which one you want to do.
I know this is a bit much but I hope the roster for SSB4 has most of these characters.
Also, this is my first time posting here.

Welcome to SWF!

Anyway,

Crossed out = probably won't happen,

Bolded = an edit of my own.

Hope you have fun here, I guess.

 

[lordvaati]

an underwater level could be from Starfy....

 

[drag0nscythe]

an underwater level could be from Starfy....

Perfect.

We found more justification for Starfy.
Throw in Starfy as playable.
Throw in his Coral Reaf level.
Throw in Mario water world level.
Throw in the Zelda aqua Dungeon
Throw in Golding's rumor water super kill move.

and we have a new gameplay mechanic to use. Sakurai did say he wanted to up air battles. Now we need water battles.

 

[Pieman0920]

As far as stages go, most of the ones introduced in Brawl didn't repeat themes. (One ice stage, one ocean stage, one space stage, ect ect)

Thus I think its not likely to have many underwater levels, though Starfy could theoretically get it, since not many other series don't focus on being underwater.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I've been wondering...will Ike's look be changed to reflect his appearance in Radiant Dawn? That may be likely, since the Zelda characters' looks are accordingly updated to match their most recent game(s).

As far as stages go, most of the ones introduced in Brawl didn't repeat themes. (One ice stage, one ocean stage, one space stage, ect ect)

Thus I think its not likely to have many underwater levels, though Starfy could theoretically get it, since not many other series don't focus on being underwater.

You know what? You're right about Starfy. He seems to be the most deserving to have an underwater stage. I hadn't thought about the possibility of fighting underwater until now.

Then throw in Yae with her mermaid transformation and make the game perfect.

Let's not jump the gun, there. Besides, Goemon's not even in Smash yet.

and we have a new gameplay mechanic to use. Sakurai did say he wanted to up air battles. Now we need water battles.

Since you've mentioned air battles, I'd like to see a freefall-type stage myself.

 

[Clownbot]

Since you've mentioned air battles, I'd like to see a freefall-type stage myself.

Ah, this would be interesting. I'm having a teensy bit of trouble seeing how it would work, and what stage would be given the position of freefalling area, though.

 

[babster80]

My Roster:
Veterans: Prob'ly all of 'em from brawl.
Characters returning from Melee: Mewtwo, Roy (Slightly Decloned), Possibly a decloned Dr. Mario? Nah probably wont happen. But I can dream cant I?
Newcomers:
Good Chance of making it: Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Megaman, Starfy
Moderate Chance of Making It: Crash Bandicoot ( He could possibly be a third party character, with his many games on Nintendo systems ) Paper Mario, Krystal, Black Knight ( Fire Emblem), Smaurai Goroh,
Those characters that probably wont make it but I wish could: Sora, Riku (I mean, the Kingdom Hearts series has only had ONE game on a Nintendo Game System, which was Chain of Memories for the GBA)

Characters that I dont even want in SSB4: Louie (Clone), Bowser Jr. (Hard to find a moveset for her... or him....), Birdo (Semi-Clone, hard to find moveset) Naruto (Come on, no Anime). Koopa Troopa (wtf?)

And then remove tripping and put more variety in the Stage Builder. Bring back more Melee stages, like Brinstar Depths, Fourside, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 2, Poke' Floats was unique, and the Fountain of Dreams. I know my organization is poor, but Im a bad organizer :S

 

[Zario777]

My Roster:
Veterans: Prob'ly all of 'em from brawl.
Characters returning from Melee: Mewtwo, Roy (Slightly Decloned), Possibly a decloned Dr. Mario? Nah probably wont happen. But I can dream cant I?
Newcomers:
Good Chance of making it: Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Megaman, Starfy
Moderate Chance of Making It: Crash Bandicoot ( He could possibly be a third party character, with his many games on Nintendo systems ) Paper Mario, Krystal, Black Knight ( Fire Emblem), Smaurai Goroh,
Those characters that probably wont make it but I wish could: Sora, Riku (I mean, the Kingdom Hearts series has only had ONE game on a Nintendo Game System, which was Chain of Memories for the GBA)

Characters that I dont even want in SSB4: Louie (Clone), Bowser Jr. (Hard to find a moveset for her... or him....), Birdo (Semi-Clone, hard to find moveset) Naruto (Come on, no Anime). Koopa Troopa (wtf?)

And then remove tripping and put more variety in the Stage Builder. Bring back more Melee stages, like Brinstar Depths, Fourside, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 2, Poke' Floats was unique, and the Fountain of Dreams. I know my organization is poor, but Im a bad organizer :S

If you have a character that you think is hard to have a moveset of (that aren't anime characters [Naruto sucks] or reasonable) and I know of that character, I'll post it (I already made movesets for Bowser Jr. and Birdo that have a couple to no moves copied).

 

[Hero.]

What would a megaman moveset be? I want him in the next game but I can only think of him as a clone for Samus and If Crash is going to be in it than they might as well put Spyro in. But I doubt those two would make it.

 

[Clownbot]

My Roster:
Veterans: Prob'ly all of 'em from brawl.
Characters returning from Melee: Mewtwo, Roy (Slightly Decloned), Possibly a decloned Dr. Mario? Nah probably wont happen. But I can dream cant I?
Newcomers:
Good Chance of making it: Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Megaman, Starfy
Moderate Chance of Making It: Crash Bandicoot ( He could possibly be a third party character, with his many games on Nintendo systems ) Paper Mario, Krystal, Black Knight ( Fire Emblem), Smaurai Goroh,
Those characters that probably wont make it but I wish could: Sora, Riku (I mean, the Kingdom Hearts series has only had ONE game on a Nintendo Game System, which was Chain of Memories for the GBA)

Characters that I dont even want in SSB4: Louie (Clone), Bowser Jr. (Hard to find a moveset for her... or him....), Birdo (Semi-Clone, hard to find moveset) Naruto (Come on, no Anime). Koopa Troopa (wtf?)

And then remove tripping and put more variety in the Stage Builder. Bring back more Melee stages, like Brinstar Depths, Fourside, Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 2, Poke' Floats was unique, and the Fountain of Dreams. I know my organization is poor, but Im a bad organizer :S

Roy and Dr. Mario probably won't happen. All of the Sonic characters you mentioned most certainly do not have a GOOD chance of making it, as it's doubtful that Sonic will get a new character, much less three more.

Crash isn't nearly as popular as the likes of Mega Man, or even a new Sonic character, tbh.

The Black Knight, unless he makes another appearance in FE games, has little chance.

Bowser Jr. has pretty good chances, and moveset potential as well. There's a Bowser Jr. moveset that was posted in MYM (a contest where users create movesets for their favorite characters), I'll link it later (I'm too lazy to do so right now ).

By tripping, I hope you mean random tripping. I have no problem with tripping that occurs through means of an item or attack that causes tripping.

Everything I didn't mention, I'm fine with.

If you have a character that you think is hard to have a moveset of (that aren't anime characters [Naruto sucks] or reasonable) and I know of that character, I'll post it (I already made movesets for Bowser Jr. and Birdo that have a couple to no moves copied).

If you go into details (Tilts, Smashes, Aerials, etc....), then MYM is the place for ya. It's in the Smash Workshop, just like this thread, and not only can you post sets for likely Smash candidates, you can make a set for just about anyone you want to.

What would a megaman moveset be? I want him in the next game but I can only think of him as a clone for Samus and If Crash is going to be in it than they might as well put Spyro in. But I doubt those two would make it.

You're right about that second point (regarding Crash and Spyro's chances), but the first makes me question whether you've even played a Mega Man game. He gets new powers and abilities from defeating bosses in almost every one.

 

[Starphoenix]

The only third party character that really deserves to be in Smash Bros. is Megaman. Simply due to the fact of how great a history he has with Nintendo, some people even think he IS a Nintendo character (I have heard of it happening)!

Also, Megaman by no means would be a clone of Samus. Even their arm cannon/buster would not function the same, not to mention he could utilize Rush and Beat in his specials. Yeah Megaman is about as much of a clone of Samus as Link is to Marth.

My only thing is whether Classic Megaman should be in or Megaman X? While ordinarily I would just go with Classic, a part of me really wants to see X in a crossover fighter. Not to mention I have seen countless times where people have up pictures of "Megaman", only for it to be a picture of X, obviously a portion of the general public cannot tell the difference. X could utilize two of his game unique mechanics in Smash like wall jumping, and dashing (as a forward dodge), plus I would plainly love to hear X Vs. Zero, Spark Mandrill, Blaze Heatnix in Smash. At the same time I want my Classic boy too, if I had my way, we would have Classic Megaman and MMX-style Zero. >_>

 

[Clownbot]

Classic MM has closer ties with Nintendo. MMX can be a palette swap for all I care.

I'm not quite sure whether the design matters; he could still utilize abilities from MMX games as classic MM, and vice versa. I doubt many would care if that happened.

Also, here's the Bowser Jr. moveset I mentioned in my previous post, for any and all who think Bowser Jr. doesn't have set potential (it includes Shadow Mario, which I kind of oppose in the idea of a Jr. set, but oh well): http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7665416&postcount=1936

FAIR WARNING: It's looooooooooooong.

 

[Pieman0920]

While I don't object to Bowser Jr. being playable, that moveset in particular is impractical for the most part, as are a lot of MYM movesets. In addition, I don't think they'll have him transform into Shadow Mario, due to that only being in one game.

Also concerning MM, it boggles the mind that someone would think that he couldn't work without being a Samus clone. Their charge shots are the only thing they have in common here, and even then they could easily be made to act differently. Given the fact that MM's classic version has well over 50 abilities, there's little chance of him being a clone.

 

[Starphoenix]

Classic MM has closer ties with Nintendo. MMX can be a palette swap for all I care.

I'm not quite sure whether the design matters; he could still utilize abilities from MMX games as classic MM, and vice versa. I doubt many would care if that happened.

I would care, I would care deeply...

I would also REEAAAAAAALLYY like Zero to be in, but I am not going down that road, it will end with Sonic having 15 characters and Master Chief, Cloud, Scooby Doo, and PeeWee Herman playable. At least with Zero he already has his AAA move.

 

[lordvaati]

Inafune's favorite is classic, so most likely that one(I like him better then X anyway).

anyway, I have made a tier of characters who are most likely going to get in.



Top- these characters are almost shoe-ins for the next smash. hands down.



Bowser Jr.

Tingle

Megaman



High- will probably get in, but is still debateable.

Paper Mario

New FE character

Isa

King K.Rool

Gs3 protaginist

Krystal


Mid-borderline. could shift over any way, could be possible, but have many issues of getting in.

Black Shadow

Starfy

5th gen Pokemon

Isaac

Ridley

Little Mac

Saki

Any Sonic character

Zero

Mewtwo

Dixie Kong

Midna

Rosalina

Plusle & Minun

Meowth




Low- could make it... but don't count on it.

Crash Bandicoot

Toon Zelda

New Wario/Warioware character

another PKMN Trainer

Waluigi

New MGS character

Roy

Masked Link

Geno

Dark Samus

Ninten



Bottom- almost impossible....but never say never.

Louie

Sora

Masked Man/Claus

Pichu

Dr. Mario(as a seperate character)





None-never ever, forever never. unless something Major happens.

Banjo-Kazooie

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

all Microsoft Characters

all Sony Characters

any liscensed character.


Comments are welcome.

 

[Clownbot]

Cool idea, Vaati. I believ Wizzerd made a tier list of possible characters somewhere along the way...

On to the comments, no?

TOP TIER - I disagree strongly with Tingle's placement here. I'd put him close to the bottom on high, or high in the Mid Tier.

HIGH TIER - I'm kind of confused why you put Isa, but then you put Isaac as a GS rep instead of a GS3 protagonist. I also believe Krystal could be placed in Mid or even Low Tier, and I sort of disagree with both K. Rool AND Dixie being in the same rank.

MID TIER - Latest-gen pokemon should most definitely be on a higher tier. Everyone from Mewtwo to P&M should be slightly lower (I'm not saying in a different tier, just lower), while Ridley's placement should be slightly higher. Again, Midna, Toon Zelda, and Meowth should be a bit lower.

LOW & BOTTOM TIER - I actually don't have any major qualms with these.

"NONE" TIER - I disagree with B-K's placement, but that's my only problem with that section.

 

[Starphoenix]

Inafune's favorite is classic, so most likely that one(I like him better then X anyway).

anyway, I have made a tier of characters who are most likely going to get in.

High- will probably get in, but is still debateable. There are no "shoe-ins" at this point.

Bowser Jr. Likely, due to how mainstream he is now, probably closest to shoe in potential there is

Tingle Likely, unless America's vitriol hatred for him keeps him excluded

Megaman Likely, but hinges on Capcom's support

Ridley Higher due to fan demand

King K.Rool

New FE character

GS3 Protagonist More likely to be the face of Golden Sun



Mid-borderline. could shift over any way, could be possible, but have many issues of getting in.

Black Shadow

Isaac Lower due to sequel with new main character

Krystal I think they are more likely to keep the Star Fox characters they have than cut one. Also doubt we would have 4 SF characters.

Paper Mario While I would love to see him, he fares a moderate chance

Starfy

Isa Don't know who Isa is

5th gen Pokemon

Mewtwo

any Sonic character

Toad

Midna

Toon Zelda

Meowth




Low- could make it... but don't count on it.

New Wario/Warioware character

another PKMN Trainer

Waluigi

New MGS character

Roy

Masked Link

Geno

Dark Samus




Bottom- almost impossible....but never say never.

Dixie Kong Not likely

Louie

Ninten We already have 2 Mother characters, if there is a third one it will come from Earthbound or Mother 3

Sora

Masked Man/Claus

Pichu

Plusle & Minun Better Pokemon to include and no concrete evidence they were ever intended for Brawl

Dr. Mario(as a seperate character)





None-never ever, forever never. unless something Major happens.

Banjo-Kazooie

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

all Microsoft Characters

all Sony Characters

any licensed character.


Comments are welcome.

I readjusted it to how I think it would more likely go, this is just my opinion though. All bolded are adjustments.

One person I think everyone needs to start considering now is Rosalina. At first it may sound strange but due to Rosalina's appearance in Mario Kart Wii and the possibility of being in the sequel to Mario Galaxy, she is starting to transcend into the mainstream Mario crowd now. She is already one step ahead of Daisy as she is a part of the main canon series, even if it is only for Galaxy. She could have a moveset no problem involving space bits, Luma's, her magic wand, and Sakurai's creative ability. It could come down to something like this:

Mario Column:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser. Jr
Rosalina

If I did have to place her somewhere, I would place her around mid, simply because her chances really hinge on whether she returns in Galaxy 2 and-sadly to say-whether she appears in a future Mario Party or Mario athletic game.

 

[Jerome]

SSBB 4 roster REVISED

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* means you have to unlock

Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.*(Or Geno or Rosalina)
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (Decloned)*
Toon Link (Somewhat Decloned)*
Toon Zelda/Tetra *
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King Krool*
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley*
Yoshi
Kirby
Meta Knight*
King Dedede
Fox
Falco (Decloned & different Final Smash)
Wolf (Decloned & different Final Smash)*
Krystal*
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario
Jigglypuff*
Mewtwo (Buffed)*
Fifth Generation Pokemon*
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh*
Ness
Lucas (Somewhat Decloned)*
Masked Man/Claus*
Ice Climbers(Have ability to switch from Popo to Nana during gameplay.)
Marth
Ike*
Roy*(Declone him or a non-swords man character from Fire Emblem)
Mr. Game & Watch*
Wario
Pit
R.O.B.*
Olimar
Snake*
Gray Fox*
Sonic*
Tails*
Animal Crossing Boy & Girl(Have ability to switch from Boy to Girl during gameplay)
Little Mac
Isaac
Chibi-Robo
Starfy
Megaman*

Is this a little better?

 

[BG3]

@Jerome: That's a really good roster, except I can't see why you'd add Chibi-Robo. He'd be very, very diffucult to make a moveset out of. IMO, he should be an assist trophy or back to being a regular trophy.