[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[kirbywizard]

@Jerome: That's a really good roster, except I can't see why you'd add Chibi-Robo. He'd be very, very diffucult to make a moveset out of. IMO, he should be an assist trophy or back to being a regular trophy.

You can make a moveset with anyone . MYM blows it out of portion with all the originality but hey look at ROB.

 

[Pieman0920]

Lordvatti, your tier list is missing the one person I think is almost certainly a shoe in before anyone else, aka Little Mac! While I know you may not technically share the opinion that LM is as good as confirmed, he should still be there. (I'd also argue that Bowser Jr. should be moved down a tier or so, since people really are inflating his chances)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Lordvatti, your tier list is missing the one person I think is almost certainly a shoe in before anyone else, aka Little Mac! While I know you may not technically share the opinion that LM is as good as confirmed, he should still be there. (I'd also argue that Bowser Jr. should be moved down a tier or so, since people really are inflating his chances)

Indeed. How could anyone forget the little (no pun intended) boxer that could?

Also, I would have personally tossed in Mach Rider in low.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Ah, this would be interesting. I'm having a teensy bit of trouble seeing how it would work, and what stage would be given the position of freefalling area, though.

Would be tough. My guess would be to have it similar to the water stage. Have some clouds set near the bottom of the stage that you go through. Then when you touch them, jumps are reset. Problem is, people would be fighting to survive more then fight (which would be a good gimmick I guess.)

Definitely would be banned though.

I see it as "The cloud stage from any series that has one"
The background has you free falling. As you fall, you will see birds and stuff fly by. They would be hazards. After falling through the sky for a long time, the battle would fall into a giant hole in the ground and you have tunnel battles for a short time. (Seems like a good metroid stage idea when you think of the MP3 ridley fight.) You will then see the screen reverse and the battle would then take place falling up into the air.After you hit an apex, the stage would start over again.

Hazards would be birds, flying enemies from the series of choice, falling rocks.

Since there is no ground level, falling speed for all characters will be reduced and jumping will make characters go slightly father then normal. All attacks would have to be aerial only.

I would imagine that characters that could glide would be high tier on that stage.

 

[lordvaati]

Inafune's favorite is classic, so most likely that one(I like him better then X anyway).

anyway, I have made a tier of characters who are most likely going to get in.



Top- these characters are almost shoe-ins for the next smash. hands down.



Bowser Jr.

Tingle

Megaman



High- will probably get in, but is still debateable.

Paper Mario

New FE character

Isa

King K.Rool

Gs3 protaganist

Krystal


Mid-borderline. could shift over any way, could be possible, but have many issues of getting in.

Black Shadow

Starfy

5th gen Pokemon

Isaac

Ridley

Little Mac

Saki

Any Sonic character

Zero

Mewtwo

Dixie Kong

Midna

Rosalina

Plusle & Minun

Meowth




Low- could make it... but don't count on it.

Crash Bandicoot

Toon Zelda

New Wario/Warioware character

Mach Rider

another PKMN Trainer

Waluigi

New MGS character

Roy

Masked Link

Geno

Dark Samus

Ninten



Bottom- almost impossible....but never say never.

Louie

Sora

Masked Man/Claus

Pichu

Dr. Mario(as a seperate character)





None-never ever, forever never. unless something Major happens.

Banjo-Kazooie

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

all Microsoft Characters

all Sony Characters

CD-i characters

any liscensed character.


Comments are welcome.

an update to the tier list I made . green moved up, red moved down, and bold are new entries. also, a new None tier entry, for the lulz.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Top- these characters are almost shoe-ins for the next smash. hands down.
Bowser Jr.
Megaman

High- will probably get in, but is still debateable.
Tingle
New FE character
King K.Rool
Gs3 protaganist
Ridley

Mid-borderline. could shift over any way, could be possible, but have many issues of getting in.
Paper Mario
Isa
Black Shadow
Starfy
5th gen Pokemon
Isaac
Little Mac
Saki
Mewtwo
Dixie Kong

Low- could make it... but don't count on it.
Crash Bandicoot
Toon Zelda
New Wario/Warioware character
Mach Rider
another PKMN Trainer
Waluigi
New MGS character
Roy
Masked Link
Geno
Dark Samus
Ninten
Midna
Rosalina
Plusle & Minun
Meowth
Krystal

Bottom- almost impossible....but never say never.
Louie
Sora
Masked Man/Claus
Pichu
Dr. Mario(as a seperate character)
Any Sonic character
Zero
Goemon
Ebisumaru
Yae
Sasuke

None-never ever, forever never. unless something Major happens.
Banjo-Kazooie
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
all Microsoft Characters
all Sony Characters
CD-i characters
any liscensed character.


fixed.

 

[Pieman0920]

How would Little Mac only be Mid though? He's got not only the ability to represent the retro games, but also has just gotten a new Wii game, and there is talk of a sequel in the works. He's also the star of his series, unlike characters like Bowser Jr, K.Rool, or Krystal, and is from a much more celebrated series than Isa or the GS3 main character. His style of fighting woud also be unique, though that may not amtter all too much. =/

Also why is Black Shadow (aka Mr. I don't want Ganondorf to be a clone, so I'll just give it to this guy without thinking who's the better representative of the F-Zero series) there instead of Goroh? I admit Goroh's chances aren't that great, and probably should be in the mid tier, but he's clearly a better choice than BS.

 

[Wizzerd]

Looks pretty accurate, drag0nscythe. Oh, and Clownbot, I did make a tier list a while back, but it was very biased, so please don't mention it.

 

[drag0nscythe]

How would Little Mac only be Mid though? He's got not only the ability to represent the retro games, but also has just gotten a new Wii game, and there is talk of a sequel in the works. He's also the star of his series, unlike characters like Bowser Jr, K.Rool, or Krystal, and is from a much more celebrated series than Isa or the GS3 main character. His style of fighting woud also be unique, though that may not amtter all too much. =/

Also why is Black Shadow (aka Mr. I don't want Ganondorf to be a clone, so I'll just give it to this guy without thinking who's the better representative of the F-Zero series) instead of Goroh? I admit Goroh's chances aren't that great, and probably should be in the mid tier, but he's clearly a better choice than BS.

If I remember correctly. I think Sakurai mentioned that someone who only uses punches (either lil mac or Mach rider. Cannot remember which) would be to tough (or boring) to make playable.

As for Black Shadow. He has alot of popularity (even though the reason you gave is why.) I agree with the silliness of the idea. Giving him Gnaondorfs moveset is just being lazy if you ask me. That and makes him a worthless character in the long run.

Looks pretty accurate, drag0nscythe. Oh, and Clownbot, I did make a tier list a while back, but it was very biased, so please don't mention it.

See. I am not completely crazy. I do understand placements. I am just opposed to them. I also like having all the old characters return, which also influences my roster choices.

 

[BKupa666]

If I remember correctly. I think Sakurai mentioned that someone who only uses punches (either lil mac or Mach rider. Cannot remember which) would be to tough (or boring) to make playable.

I believe he left out Urban Champion because 'There isn't much you could do with him'...however, Little Mac seems much more liked than UC ever was. Plus, if he's an AT for Brawl, he's obviously being recognized; with a new popular game (and a possible sequel in the works), he's definitely one of the most likely characters. I'd go so far as to call him a shoe-in, even if Sakurai wouldn't take the effort to give him more than generic punches.

 

[Pieman0920]

If I remember correctly. I think Sakurai mentioned that someone who only uses punches (either lil mac or Mach rider. Cannot remember which) would be to tough (or boring) to make playable.

The only time I'm aware of Sakurai ever saying anything about Little Mac was concerning the inclusing of NES characters and why Ice Climbers won. There he mentioned things like Balloon Fighter not having balloons being useless, and how he couldn't think of a way to make Mach Rider work (or was it a Excite Bike rider?) but despite saying Little Mac had the pottential, he never said why he didn't go with him. Outside of that, I've never head him mention anything about how Little Mac couldn't get in, and certainly nothing about only having punches would be boring. There are several fighting games that have boxers with only punches, and they've got them to work, and given the cartoony boxing moves from Punch Out, I don't see what would be boring about it at all. Odds are you probably just heard fan speculation over the subject, like how some people claim Sakurai wanted Sigured instead of Roy back in Melee.

As for Black Shadow. He has alot of popularity (even though the reason you gave is why.) I agree with the silliness of the idea. Giving him Gnaondorfs moveset is just being lazy if you ask me. That and makes him a worthless character in the long run.

It should still be changed to Goroh though. Sakurai has payed a lot more attention to him, and Black Shadow's supporters mostly only popped up after Goroh was AT'd.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The only time I'm aware of Sakurai ever saying anything about Little Mac was concerning the inclusing of NES characters and why Ice Climbers won. There he mentioned things like Balloon Fighter not having balloons being useless, and how he couldn't think of a way to make Mach Rider work (or was it a Excite Bike rider?) but despite saying Little Mac had the pottential, he never said why he didn't go with him. Outside of that, I've never head him mention anything about how Little Mac couldn't get in, and certainly nothing about only having punches would be boring. There are several fighting games that have boxers with only punches, and they've got them to work, and given the cartoony boxing moves from Punch Out, I don't see what would be boring about it at all. Odds are you probably just heard fan speculation over the subject, like how some people claim Sakurai wanted Sigured instead of Roy back in Melee.

I think that Sakurai is focusing on the popular characters that didn't make it in yet, for the most part. He might be going by priority.

However, Little Mac does have potential to get in, especially since he's got a Wii game now. Oh, and the 2-player mode in that gives him the ability to turn into Giga Mac (prime FS material right there).

The official reason that Balloon Fighter didn't make it in, was because his balloons would get easily blown up by the other players. Also, Sakurai said that he couldn't get Excite Biker to jump. I heard somewhere that Mach Rider is supposed to be Sakurai's favorite video game character, although I am not sure if this is official.

It should still be changed to Goroh though. Sakurai has payed a lot more attention to him, and Black Shadow's supporters mostly only popped up after Goroh was AT'd.

Agreed. Goroh showed up in the first F-Zero game and is Captain Falcon's official rival, after all.

 

[Jerome]

If they do add another Sonic Character I think it would be Tails because, I think that he came before Knuckles right? So Tails has a higher priority.

Also, if they add another character from Mother I would want Ana because shes from the original. I would like Clause but he looks like Lucas and I would like Ninten but he looks too much like Ness.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Tier list.

Who's Isa and why is he/she/potato(?) listed so high?

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Who's Isa and why is he/she/potato(?) listed so high?

Because he is the lead character of Sin & Punishment 2.

 

[Pieman0920]

Who's Isa and why is he/she/potato(?) listed so high?

Saki's kid. Probably will be the main character of S&P2. I have no idea why he is listed so high either, since the series itself is only two games long, and Isa may only be staring in one game before SSB4 comes out.

Also, why does every "wtf character" that people suggest have to come from the NES days? What if we do get one, and its from the later consoles? Doshin the Giant is someone I doubt anyone would expect making it in.

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

Uhhh... Uh uhhh... *hesitates for a moment* The Sin & Punishment games were developed by Treasure, and they DON'T sound like one of Nintendo's 2nd-parties. Even so, Saki or Isa Amamiya could be one of the two guest characters in Smash 4. If Saki was added as an Assist Trophy summon in Brawl due to such strong demand, they haven't far to go before we play as Saki or Isa. I don't expect Snake or Sonic to return. (otherwise, what's the meaning of "guest character"?)

 

[Clownbot]

Jerome, as much as some people hate to hear it, the most likely candidate for a new Sonic character is Shadow. He was an AT over everyone else in Brawl, he has his own game, and he's more popular with the newer fans of the series.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Since when has Crash had more votes than Sonic? I thought Sakurai out and out stated that Sonic had the most requests out of any character, and the fact that said popularity was able to get him in after the roster had been completed speaks volumes about that. If Crash really did have more votes, then he would be in, instead of Sonic.

One of you posted poll results. Even i asked about it.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Here's an idea for a Smash 4 main antagonist: someone made to be a villain and tick of fanboys of Final Fantasy, Naruto, Bleach, or Dragon Ball Z by making him /her feel similar to the characters from those series, but more evil. If the main antagonist is based off of Goku, he would be named Cuckoo (I mispronounced Goku's name like that when I was little), yell a lot, and take like fifty years to execute an attack.

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

So this antagonist is completely insane?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

So this antagonist is completely insane?

Why would he be insane?

 

[Pieman0920]

What would be the point of that other than to annoy people? There's no point in making something just so people are upset, especially if its completely unrelated and unnecesary. Really now, I've noticed that there's quite a bit of anime bashing going around in this topic from time to time, and I can't help but wonder why its even showing up in here, since this thread should have nothing to do with it.

Anyways, about any polls that indicate that Crash is more popular than Sonic, I must wonder exactly which poll this was. I think I heard someone mention that the Melee poll had it, but I havn't seen that in awhile. The Brawl "poll" though is completely unreliable, since not only was in not a poll, but it was only half translated.

 

[Clownbot]

Jumpman, I hope I'm speaking for everyone else here when I say WE GET IT. You hate Final Fantasy, anime characters, blah, blah, blah. Could you please stop bashing them senselessly? There's no point to it, and I, for one, find it rather childish.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Jumpman, I hope I'm speaking for everyone else here when I say WE GET IT. You hate Final Fantasy, anime characters, blah, blah, blah. Could you please stop bashing them senselessly? There's no point to it, and I, for one, find it rather childish.

Fine, I'll stop bashing them senselessly, at least until someone else mentions them in a custom roster, as an SSB4 idea, or something like those two.

 

[rockem7]

Hmm...I know he's been brought up before, but I don't know if anyone has ever put any detail into Starfy.
He should have good chances, correct? His only game in the US was advertised insanely, and in Japan there are quite a few Starfy games, iirc.

Moveset possibilities?
UpB: Similar to Charizard's, but obviously this would be his star spin.
DownB: Possibly transformations? He does transform a few times in his game. (I believe four. >.>)
He doesn't have to transform this many times, but the possibility is definitely there.
That's all I really thought about, tbh.

Orrrrr...He could be another possible Ice Climber type of team with Starly. Starly wasn't too popularized in the American game, (Well, I've only gotten to like, world 4, so I might be a tad bit sloppy on this information) but in the Japanese games I do believe she is more popular.

All in all though, I think Starfy has about 5 or 6 games.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Jumpman, I hope I'm speaking for everyone else here when I say WE GET IT. You hate Final Fantasy, anime characters, blah, blah, blah. Could you please stop bashing them senselessly? There's no point to it, and I, for one, find it rather childish.

Its not like any good animes were harmed. I too would go apesh*t if Naruto/Inuyasha yaoi characters made the cut. But i'd be pleasantly surprised if we got magical shonen loli-girl-esque otaku cliché characters. (Thats just how i roll)

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Its not like any good animes were harmed. I too would go apesh*t if Naruto/Inuyasha yaoi characters made the cut. But i'd be pleasantly surprised if we got magical shonen loli-girl-esque otaku cliché characters. (Thats just how i roll)

What is a magical shonen loli-girl-esque otaku cliche character?

Also, what do you guys think of Soren from PoR and RD appearing along with Lyndis as an AT helper (the two would be separate, in case it isn't obvious)? I wouldn't care if Soren becomes a Lyn clone.

 

[lordvaati]

What is a magical shonen loli-girl-esque otaku cliche character?

that.

 

[GTA_Hater_331]

Soren's not bad for an Assist Trophy summon. Unfortunately, the TRUE Fire Emblem 11 (the DS game isn't a big part of the canon, is it?) hasn't been released yet, so I don't know if any better characters are headed our way yet.

 

[Wizzerd]

I wouldn't care if Soren becomes a Lyn clone.

How can you be a clone of somebody who isn't in the game?

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

that.

I don't like "that."

How can you be a clone of somebody who isn't in the game?

Lyn is in Brawl, and if Soren has the same effect as Lyn, he would attack an opponent with a gust of wind (which look like sword slash projectiles). It's possible.

 

[Wizzerd]

Lyn is in Brawl, and if Soren has the same effect as Lyn, he would attack an opponent with a gust of wind (which look like sword slash projectiles). It's possible.

I'm sorry, I missed the AT part. I thought you meant Lyn and Soren as playable characters.

 

[Folm]

I would like to see Knuckles and Boo in the next SSB

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

MEWMEW POWER

that.

SUPERIOR

DBZ meets Strawberry Marshmallow.

ALSO SUPERIOR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sfp5V3L_XU

OKAY- BACK ON TOPIC!
adventure mode should be more than a sidescrolling beat em up.
NEEDZ MOAR PUZZLES!

 

[Starphoenix]

I knew I should have made a separate...

One person I think everyone needs to start considering now is Rosalina. At first it may sound strange but due to Rosalina's appearance in Mario Kart Wii and the possibility of being in the sequel to Mario Galaxy, she is starting to transcend into the mainstream Mario crowd now. She is already one step ahead of Daisy as she is a part of the main canon series, even if it is only for Galaxy. She could have a moveset no problem involving space bits, Luma's, her magic wand, and Sakurai's creative ability. It could come down to something like this:

Mario Column:

Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser. Jr
Rosalina

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Speaking of puzzles, there should be a boss who has to be defeated by solving a puzzle.

And we don't need Rosalina. Even with her roles, she still shouldn't be playable in Smash 4. The sixth Mario rep should be Fawful, because he makes a great WTF character. He's at least a better choice than another Mario series princess (which we don't need, by the way).

 

[rockem7]

Rosalina wouldn't make a good playable character. Possibly an AT. Doing something similar (but lesser) than Pit's Super Smash. Her Lumas would go all over and attack people.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Yeah, Rosalina shouldn't be playable in Smash 4; even Heike Kagero (don't know who that is, do you?) from Super Punch-Out!! for the SNES would be a better candidate.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

I never played a game with Bowser Jr. Whats his appeal?