[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Arcadenik]

Dark Samus is not a better option. She (or it) would most likely end up a clone of regular Samus simply because its physical build and character design is too alike to Samus. Zero Suit Samus is a better option, I'm sorry but she really is. People shouldn't be adding Dark Samus for the sake of having a Metroid villain nor for the sake of having a Metroid Prime character (Samus herself is a Metroid Prime character, you know).

 

[Clownbot]

Dark Samus is not a better option. She (or it) would most likely end up a clone of regular Samus simply because its physical build and character design is too alike to Samus. Zero Suit Samus is a better option, I'm sorry but she really is. People shouldn't be adding Dark Samus for the sake of having a Metroid villain nor for the sake of having a Metroid Prime character (Samus herself is a Metroid Prime character, you know).

1. He was talking about for Brawl, because the Metroid Prime series was still alive then.

2. Just because you can slack off by making a popular character into a clone doesn't mean you should.

During Brawl's time, DS would've been a better choice than ZSS. Just because it would've been possible to make DS into a clone doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential to be uncloned.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

I'm about to pass out, but here's a few quick points that should summarize what I've been saying:


- All seven Mario RPG titles sold around 1-2.5 million, same as the Mario Party/Sports titles. Mario Kart sells for 5-15 million, Mario platformers for 6-20 (SMB1 at 40). Dr. Mario for NES and GB sold 10 million combined. Mario RPG titles aren't important.

- If Paper Mario got in, he would be a clone whether he has the potential to prevent it or not entirely because he's Mario. Only two characters have had multiple movesets, and they're both drastic transformations (with both variations existing in the same games). Young/Toon Link have the same basic moveset as Big Link because those moves define every version of Link. Paper Mario would be defined by being Mario just like Doc was, not by being Paper.

- Neither Doc nor Paper Mario are getting in as their own characters. Doc got in Melee because there was space to fill. He got cut in Brawl because now there's not enough space. They could exist as alternate costumes, in which Doc is far more likely for being a million times easier to make and having the nostalgia factor from Melee. But that's it.

 

[Big-Cat]

I think we need to stop predicting characters. It's bringing nothing but strife and our own arguments that are either weak, misinformed, or presumptive. Why don't we discuss the music we want in the next game? At least that won't kill people.

 

[Clownbot]

I think we need to stop predicting characters. It's bringing nothing but strife and our own arguments that are either weak, misinformed, or presumptive. Why don't we discuss the music we want in the next game? At least that won't kill people.

That would kill the thread almost completely.

I'm not saying I'm against the idea, just something I'd like to point out.... It also kind of defeats the main purpose of the Social Group.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Young Link worked because there were two Links in OoT. There are multiple Links, so Toon Link worked. I don't think that players would want to play as Paper Mario.

Every Link is the same person, just reincarnated. Hence "Hero of time" & only 1 soul is assigned the triforce of courage. (Link and his incarnations)

 

[kirbywizard]

I support Paper Mario >_>

I would find it hard seeing him become a clone seeing that the majority of Mario's specials were never used in a Paper Mario game.

Saying paper Mario is the same as regular Mario is like saying Super Star Saga Mario is the same as regular Mario.

 

[UberMario]

If you don't want to talk about characters, why not stages?

Mushroom City (Mario) (A skyscraper battlefield)
Airship (Mario)(A fight on a large airship that auto-scrolls through cannons etc.)
Rainbow Road (Mario)(Similar to Mute City)
Gelato Beach (Mario)(A walkofable stage with an awesome background)
Bowser's Castle (Mario Bros.)(A fight inside the castle)
NOVA (Kirby) (You start off on a platform similar to Halberd's (but longer), and after a while you go through NOVA himself.)
Float Islands (Kirby)(A Green Greens clone but suspended in water and without the blocks.)
DeDeDe's Arena (Kirby)(SE)
Jungle Puddle (Yoshi) (A fight on mangroves above a giant-fish infested swamp)
Crystal Caverns (Yoshi) (A bigger Meta-Crystal)
Yoshi's Island (Yoshi) (An auto-scrolling version of Yoshi's Island 3 from Super Mario World)
Castletop (Yoshi) (The turrets of a castle, witha Giant Mecha-Bowser hurling fireballs from the BG)
Gangplank Galleon (DK)(The stage from DKC)
Death Egg Zone (Sonic) (A walkoffable stage with the Giant robot of Robotnik slamming it's hands into the stage.)
Pokemon Gym (Pokemon)(Self-explanatory, can be any of the original eight gyms)
Dark Cave (Pokemon)(SE)
Viridian Forest(Pokemon)( A walk-offable stage in the forest)
Hoenn Sea (Pokemon)(Ride on a Wailord's back to several port cities.)

That's all I can think of right now.

kirbywizard's post is accurate about Paper Mario. I can't see him as a clone.

Mario & Luigi would be an awesome tag-team. (They would look like hi-def sprites)

 

[kciD]

I'd like to see the hammer bros as a sort-of IC's clone. That would be interesting.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

We need a better Spear pillar that actually LOOKs like Spear pillar.
Something like the second part of Castle Siege but moar pillars and a Giratina,

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Bowser's Castle (Mario Bros.)(A fight inside the castle)
DeDeDe's Arena (Kirby)(SE)
Gangplank Galleon (DK)(The stage from DKC)

Yes, please!

The respective villains' themes that those places are associated to would not sound out of place anymore...

 

[Arcadenik]

1. He was talking about for Brawl, because the Metroid Prime series was still alive then.

2. Just because you can slack off by making a popular character into a clone doesn't mean you should.

During Brawl's time, DS would've been a better choice than ZSS. Just because it would've been possible to make DS into a clone doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential to be uncloned.

Really, what's so special about Dark Samus? She's literally a clone of Samus in the Metroid canon. She was created when Samus's Phazon Suit and DNA merged with Metroid Prime's remains in a pool of Phazon. What can Samus do with her Phazon Suit? The same things she already does with her Power Suit, Varia Suit, and Gravity Suit. If Dark Samus is made up from Phazon Suit along with Samus's DNA and Metroid Prime's remains, she can do the same things Samus does... therefore Dark Samus is a clone.

Dark Samus's trophy in Brawl also shows me how Sakurai really sees Dark Samus... that she is identical to Samus in every way except color and that she even uses similar attacks. That tells me Sakurai sees Dark Samus as a clone and would have added her as a clone of Samus. Therefore Zero Suit Samus is a better option than Dark Samus.

Dark Samus is not any more unique than SA-X.

 

[Big-Cat]

Really, what's so special about Dark Samus? She's literally a clone of Samus in the Metroid canon. She was created when Samus's Phazon Suit and DNA merged with Metroid Prime's remains in a pool of Phazon. What can Samus do with her Phazon Suit? The same things she already does with her Power Suit, Varia Suit, and Gravity Suit. If Dark Samus is made up from Phazon Suit along with Samus's DNA and Metroid Prime's remains, she can do the same things Samus does... therefore Dark Samus is a clone.

Dark Samus's trophy in Brawl also shows me how Sakurai really sees Dark Samus... that she is identical to Samus in every way except color and that she even uses similar attacks. That tells me Sakurai sees Dark Samus as a clone and would have added her as a clone of Samus. Therefore Zero Suit Samus is a better option than Dark Samus.

Dark Samus is not any more unique than SA-X.

Have you played the Metroid Prime games? There's several things that Samus can't do but Dark Samus can. She can Shinespark from a jump, fire multiple shots at once, split herself into 3, and more.

The only way I see how Sakurai could Dark Samus as such is because, like several other trophies, he did not do the research.

That would kill the thread almost completely.

I'm not saying I'm against the idea, just something I'd like to point out.... It also kind of defeats the main purpose of the Social Group.

Which is pretty sad when you think about it. The point of this thread is to discuss what you want to see in SSB4. This can be anything. The same applies to the Group.

We can discuss characters all we want, but it's always in a loop. Notice how every character debate has the same outcome: unresolved with the same arguments presented each time.

We should be thinking about other things that would make SSB4 better than any of the other installments of the series. Remember, Sakurai does not want to make a new Smash with just new characters and nothing much else added.

We can discuss how to expand the Single Player mode without it killing the multiplayer aspect (like SSE did). We can discuss how to make the game competitive, but not a turn off to casual players. We can discuss brand new ideas for more replay value. There's more to Smash than the characters.

 

[jumpman9793]

I really want to see these playable characters:
Little Mac
Baloon Fighter
Dixie Kong
Samurai Goroh
Saki Amamaya (spelled it wrong )
Baby Mario&Baby Luigi (two at once like the ice climbers)
Krystal
Dark Samus (not a clone of samus though)
Bowser Jr.

I really hope that if a 4th smash comes out though they dont add any 3rd party characters. I dont think Sonic and Snake shouldve been in Brawl, and I dont want to see any more entering the Smash universe.

 

[Pieman0920]

- If Paper Mario got in, he would be a clone whether he has the potential to prevent it or not entirely because he's Mario. Only two characters have had multiple movesets, and they're both drastic transformations (with both variations existing in the same games). Young/Toon Link have the same basic moveset as Big Link because those moves define every version of Link. Paper Mario would be defined by being Mario just like Doc was, not by being Paper.

I know you problably replied to my last post directed towards you, but I really don't feel like looking for it, since I'm not at the top of my game right now. (Four wisdom teeth pulled out) Still, when I'm feeling a bit better I'll try to get back.

Buuttt...I'm going to reply to this! (ow my head) Anyways, I don't think Paper Mario would be a clone because of the fact that if he were to be included, he couldn't use Mario's standard model. He's paper thin like G&W, and thus probably have to be remade from the ground up. That being said, since they'd have to redo all moves anyways, why would they decide to make him a clone if that would take the same effort as making a new moveset? As a side note, there's no way Sakurai would let PM use a fireball attack, judging from his stance on Dr. Mario. He mentioned before that he couldn't see Dr. Mario shooting fireballs, and thus we got pills. Seeing as Paper Mario is in fact made of paper, I'd think his logic would still apply. Of course having a different neutral B doesn't automatically make you not a clone, but its just a side note.

Mushroom City (Mario) (A skyscraper battlefield)
Airship (Mario)(A fight on a large airship that auto-scrolls through cannons etc.)
Rainbow Road (Mario)(Similar to Mute City)
Gelato Beach (Mario)(A walkofable stage with an awesome background)
Bowser's Castle (Mario Bros.)(A fight inside the castle)
NOVA (Kirby) (You start off on a platform similar to Halberd's (but longer), and after a while you go through NOVA himself.)
Float Islands (Kirby)(A Green Greens clone but suspended in water and without the blocks.)
DeDeDe's Arena (Kirby)(SE)
Jungle Puddle (Yoshi) (A fight on mangroves above a giant-fish infested swamp)
Crystal Caverns (Yoshi) (A bigger Meta-Crystal)
Yoshi's Island (Yoshi) (An auto-scrolling version of Yoshi's Island 3 from Super Mario World)
Castletop (Yoshi) (The turrets of a castle, witha Giant Mecha-Bowser hurling fireballs from the BG)
Gangplank Galleon (DK)(The stage from DKC)
Death Egg Zone (Sonic) (A walkoffable stage with the Giant robot of Robotnik slamming it's hands into the stage.)
Pokemon Gym (Pokemon)(Self-explanatory, can be any of the original eight gyms)
Dark Cave (Pokemon)(SE)
Viridian Forest(Pokemon)( A walk-offable stage in the forest)
Hoenn Sea (Pokemon)(Ride on a Wailord's back to several port cities.)

Mario Stages: I don't think we would have a Mushroom City stage, since the only thing I can think of it being from is Mario Kart, and you already have Rainbow Road. RR is also a bit faulty in itself, since a SMG stage would be a better space-related Mario stage. Another Sunshine stage also doesn't seem likely, since it makes more sense to put Delfino back in (Or not if there is a Wii Sports Resort stage) Anyways, as I've said many times before, a Flipside/Flopside, as well as a Mushroom Kingdom II are things that I would add.

Kirby Stages: NOVA is a good idea. Somewhere in space selike a good move, kind of like Fountain of Dreams. In this case, I'm not sure how well a Green Greens clone would work, since that's kind of copying both Melee stages, but then again NOVA doesn't need to be outside I gues.... Lastly, Dedede Staidum is something I don't want, since I'd much rather have a Punchout stage in a boxing ring.

Yoshi Stage: A swamp would be a nice idea I guess, though in my (still in progress) stage/music list, I don't really have that. Still it would work just fine as far as I'm concerned. Outside of that, I'd also include the sidescrolling SMW stage, and keep it at that. The Yoshi series is better off with two new stages, rather than four, since it probably won't get a new character anyways.

DK Stage: ...Only one? Anyways, a Kremling pirate ship type stage would be nice (as long as its far away enough from the LoZ Pirate Ship stage) If you ask me, a second DK stage that could be good would be one based on the DK racing games. (Maybe a dash of Mario Kart as well)

Sonic Stage: Don't play Sonic, so can't say much.

Pokemon Stages: Two is fine...and there's a bit too much Kanto focus in there. If you ask me, the Gym and Hoenn Sea should be the two to use. (I remember seeing that Hoenn Sea stage idea awhie ago on the stage board here, and really liked the concept)

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I really hope that if a 4th smash comes out though they dont add any 3rd party characters. I dont think Sonic and Snake shouldve been in Brawl, and I dont want to see any more entering the Smash universe.

You might want to get your flame shield ready, then.

Speaking of 3rd parties, it turns out that Suda 51 wants to see Travis Touchdown make it in the next Smash (see the sidebar):

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/9322/nmharticle5.png

Going back to stages, I must say that the Hoenn Sea stage is an interesting concept. Also, the Death Egg Zone stage would be cool, as any references to Sonic & Knuckles gets brownie points in my book (speaking as someone who genuinely likes S & K, not just due to nostalgia).

 

[Zario777]

Dang, its just about impossible to win an argument on this thread isn't it? I wouldn't be surprised if this statement was argued about for some reason. Has any1 ever won an arguement on this thread?

 

[Arcadenik]

Have you played the Metroid Prime games? There's several things that Samus can't do but Dark Samus can. She can Shinespark from a jump, fire multiple shots at once, split herself into 3, and more.

The only way I see how Sakurai could Dark Samus as such is because, like several other trophies, he did not do the research.

KumaOso, I've only played the first Metroid Prime. But that's the point. People who haven't played Metroid Prime 2... these people, including myself, are going to see Dark Samus as just an evil version of Samus, nothing more. Only Metroid fanboys would know the differences between Samus and Dark Samus.

This is the same way with Ness and Lucas. I haven't played any Mother games but from what I've seen in Smash, I know that PK Fire, PK Thunder, PK Flash, PK Freeze, PK Starstorm, and PSI Magent are all special moves from the Mother games... that's what the mainstream audience would know from the surface... only Mother fanboys know that Ness and Lucas don't actually use those special moves.

The same applies to Link, Young Link, and Toon Link. Anyone who aren't familar with the Zelda games would likely be familar with the basics... Link fights with a sword, throws a boomerang, shoot arrows, and place bombs. Only Zelda fanboys care about specific games like giving Young Link the ability to transform into Deku Link, Goron Link, and Zora Link like in Majora's Mask and giving Toon Link different items from The Wind Waker like the Deku Leaf and the Skull Hammer.

It seems to me that Sakurai touches the surface of each franchise to give the mainstream audience a small taste of what each franchise has to offer.

 

[UberMario]

Pieman, (if you read this), I wasn't done with the list, which is why I only had one DK stage.
Also, Dark Cave is a Gold/Silver stage (which would have golbats etc. flying around in the background and this song.)

 

[Avenu]

lulz liek if sakurai read dis, he'd shiz briks. Didn't he mention something about this being his last smash game? I hope it's not.

To be honest I dont think it will be. Monopolizing ftw!

 

[n88]

Dang, its just about impossible to win an argument on this thread isn't it? I wouldn't be surprised if this statement was argued about for some reason. Has any1 ever won an arguement on this thread?

Fatmanonice. Consistently.

I'd really like to see a Tick-Tock Clock stage, from Super Mario 64. It was my favorite stage in that game. (Ah, nostalgia). I'm not sure about the layout of the stage. Probably a large clock in the background, though. (Viewed from the inside)

Also, Bowser Castle has got to be a stage. I was surprised it wasn't in Brawl.

On a sidenote, I finally said something so dumb that Clownbot put it in his sig! Hooray!

 

[Zario777]

The Tick-Tock Clock stage could have those rotating cubes and the flipper-like platforms scattered around with a clock in the background...but you can play on the hands of the clock (second, minute, and hour hand). Whenever it strikes 3, 6, 9, or 12 (not going by real life time, but some sort of artifical time) some sort of thing could happen. Also, you could attack the hands to make it move forward or back into time

 

[Avenu]

What about Mii's? It'd be pretty cool watching Mii's duking it out or controlling yourself against a friend.

Even if all mii's have the same moveset I suppose.

 

[Big-Cat]

KumaOso, I've only played the first Metroid Prime. But that's the point. People who haven't played Metroid Prime 2... these people, including myself, are going to see Dark Samus as just an evil version of Samus, nothing more. Only Metroid fanboys would know the differences between Samus and Dark Samus.

This is the same way with Ness and Lucas. I haven't played any Mother games but from what I've seen in Smash, I know that PK Fire, PK Thunder, PK Flash, PK Freeze, PK Starstorm, and PSI Magent are all special moves from the Mother games... that's what the mainstream audience would know from the surface... only Mother fanboys know that Ness and Lucas don't actually use those special moves.

The same applies to Link, Young Link, and Toon Link. Anyone who aren't familar with the Zelda games would likely be familar with the basics... Link fights with a sword, throws a boomerang, shoot arrows, and place bombs. Only Zelda fanboys care about specific games like giving Young Link the ability to transform into Deku Link, Goron Link, and Zora Link like in Majora's Mask and giving Toon Link different items from The Wind Waker like the Deku Leaf and the Skull Hammer.

It seems to me that Sakurai touches the surface of each franchise to give the mainstream audience a small taste of what each franchise has to offer.

So you're basically saying to cater to the mainstream audience? Don't bother catering to the true fans of those characters who will feel like they've been screwed over? Let me ask you this: Can you define mainstream audience?

 

[rockem7]

...Is Isaac still a possible character? Seeing as GS3 was finally confirmed?
Although, iirc, the protagonist in GS3 isn't actually Isaac, I'd still like to see him in.

 

[Starphoenix]

I think we need to stop predicting characters. It's bringing nothing but strife and our own arguments that are either weak, misinformed, or presumptive. Why don't we discuss the music we want in the next game? At least that won't kill people.

This is the song I would like to see the most.

Club Leader (Pokémon Trading Card Game)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhyUGOx_oE

 

[Clownbot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN_j...D0DCDD77&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

Will it be a song in SSB4? Probably not. Should it? Oh hell yes.

 

[Starphoenix]

Here is another good one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVTzuMdJCTw

All we need is a stage from the game first.


Here is an obscure one, it comes from the unreleased sequel to the Pokémon Trading Card game. I know most of you have never heard this song but please listen to this, it truly is a fabulous song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOkgCIrOmw4

 

[Arcadenik]

KumaOso, the mainstream audience are the majority of customers who usually recognize the playable characters the most. When I said "playable characters", I meant the playable characters who were playable in their native franchises, regardless of canon games and spin-off games. If you looked at the Brawl roster, you'd notice that Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf are the only playable characters who were never playable in their native franchise. That means playable characters (like Zero Suit Samus) take priority before unplayable characters (like Ridley).

The mainstream audience are the majority of customers who are largely ignorant of the history of the characters and their native franchises. Case in point, Wario. Today's audience would most likely recognize Wario from WarioWare games and Mario spin-off games, not Wario Land games. It seems that the Wario fans, the minority, are the only ones who have a problem with the lack of any Wario Land representation.

Oh, and the fans will always feel like they were screwed over. They are never happy with what they get. Metroid fans were asking for a second Metroid character so Sakurai gave them Zero Suit Samus, what did they do? BAWWW and say Sakurai should have added Ridley instead. Zelda fans were asking for TWW Link so Sakurai gave them Toon Link, what did they do? BAWWW and say Sakurai should have decloned Toon Link. When Wario fans were asking for Wario, Sakurai gave them Wario, what did they do? BAWWW and say Sakurai should have added Wario Land representation. When tourney fans were asking for a balanced gameplay, Sakurai removed the glitches that caused wavedashing and L-canceling, what did they do? BAWWW and say Sakurai ruined the balance. When Smash fans were asking for a new game, Sakurai gave them Brawl, what did they do? BAWWW and say Sakurai shouldn't make the next game. No wonder Encyclopedia Dramatica calls it Super Smash Bros. BAWWW!

 

[★Malik★™]

well let's see

paper mario should be in it
since mr game & watch is in brawl,

issac,

more backgrounds, and parts for stage builder,

umm..

someway to talk to friends online,

no online lag,

A LEADERBAORD!!! w/ Rank (Don't Forget That)

customizable costume color mode?

of course better stages,

umm..

play with your mii

okay characters- again...

Blaziken maybe?
Gallade?
Daisy
Baby Mario and Luigi (Just like the IC's)
Knuckles
Tails
Neku -Omg he would be sweet i just know it, Final Smash, Choose a pin In character select mode
Beat
(Whole TWEWY Roster)
Waluigi
May - second pokemon trainer
Mega Man (Highly Doubt though, he would probably have the same moves as samus)
Dr. Mario, (please bring him back he's my favorite of all time)
Veautiful Joe
Bowser Jr.
Dixie Kong
Dry Bones
Boshi

(i don't know alot of games)

Machoke?
Infernape?
oh BLASTOISE!

(i can't think of anymore)

(Modes)

Boss Mode- You Can fight as Bosses
Picture Edit- Customize pictures you took
Online (Of course)
A Logo Mode- create a logo for your online avatar
Store- You can but more characters,costumes, stages, ect. with wii points
Create a character? - (might be broken though)
Create a final smash- (might be broken though)
My House- put your brawl records, fav. character,stage, ect. in it (maybe)
Be able to play 10 matches of melee (buy more with wii points)
Online Story Mode
New SSE
and all the modes that are in offline "BRAWL" except rotation, what's with that?

Other-

More songs
new main menu like you can have your favorite character as a background
Basic Brawl should have more options or longer time
a clock?
Be able to post pictures online?
have a different intro everytime you turn on brawl
be able to pick a main menu song

hmm lets see...

Ah! Have Friends (or a profile that shows your last log in, avatar, ect. just like myspace)

(I might be back at this thread)

that's all i can think of...

 

[SmashChu]

Every Link is the same person, just reincarnated. Hence "Hero of time" & only 1 soul is assigned the triforce of courage. (Link and his incarnations)

Everything is on the customer's value, not the creator. Y. Link makes sense because there is more then one Link.

And I'm going with Arcadenik. Dark Samus could be her own character, but it just fits so well as a clone.

 

[Big-Cat]

KumaOso, the mainstream audience are the majority of customers who usually recognize the playable characters the most. When I said "playable characters", I meant the playable characters who were playable in their native franchises, regardless of canon games and spin-off games. If you looked at the Brawl roster, you'd notice that Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf are the only playable characters who were never playable in their native franchise. That means playable characters (like Zero Suit Samus) take priority before unplayable characters (like Ridley).

The mainstream audience are the majority of customers who are largely ignorant of the history of the characters and their native franchises. Case in point, Wario. Today's audience would most likely recognize Wario from WarioWare games and Mario spin-off games, not Wario Land games. It seems that the Wario fans, the minority, are the only ones who have a problem with the lack of any Wario Land representation.

So you ARE saying that Smash be catered to the lowest common denominator. If we are going by this, then we should only be having the Mario characters, Wario, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, Link, Pikachu, Sonic, and, of course, Kirby.

The way I see it, Smash is primarily for the Nintendo fans. If it was for the mainstream audience, do you really think we would have MOTHER, Fire Emblem, and the retro characters? We would only have stuff from the last five to ten years in Brawl if it was purely for the mainstream audience since they apparently don't know much pre-Gamecube.

For your Wario example, I think part of the reason why we have more Wario Ware stuff was to distance him from Mario. Anyway, the fans are right to complain about a lack of Wario Land references. It's the series that started to individualize him from Mario.

When tourney fans were asking for a balanced gameplay, Sakurai removed the glitches that caused wavedashing and L-canceling, what did they do? BAWWW and say Sakurai ruined the balance.

Sakurai ruined the balance moreso, but I don't think it was because of the removal of glitches. It's not like we had a controversy to ban Fox during Melee like we have one now for Meta Knight.

 

[Zario777]

They should improve online, by making it so that if you haven't moved during an entire match, then you get kicked out (for the past couple of days, all I see is a frozen character not doing anything)
Here's what I want the lobby to look like (I got the Arcanist lobby and just edited it so you would just get the gist of it)

By zario777 at 2009-08-08

 

[Pieman0920]

Music, eh? Well, I think I'll post the first four stages from my stage list/music selection thingy. Keep in mind, that as I have yet to come up with a solid idea for how the stages will work exactly/I'm still adding more to other series, I just have them listed down as "themes" to make it easier for right now, and give me a idea what type of music would be good. I also included some Brawl/Melee music in there for stages that I thought would work well with them. (The bulk of the past stage music is in the past stage section I have in my list, but I'm not posting that right now)

Mario Stage 1 (Galaxy Theme)
Melty Molten Galaxy (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE0DSlPF6Pc&
Wind Garden (SMG) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z2kxFCQ_mQ&
Floater Land (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAFpdAgh6A&
Good Egg Galaxy (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzYBrUl926c&
Rainbow Ride (SSBM/SM64) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XzmMYoKZp8&
Rainbow Road (MKDD) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6UB9rGuD-o&
Star Maze (ML2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x5azjuDYPU
Comet Observatory (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiIDTXoF0L4&

Mario Stage 2 (Bowser Castle Theme)
Nemesis King Koopa Vocals (SMG) – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IObwdOCAfdU&
Final Bowser Battle (SMG) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIuvjG3Egjo
Bowser’s Star Reactor (SMG/SM64) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_gS2jO2PjM
Angry Bowser (PM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFbdwxLDzMA
Bowser Fight (SM64) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kye9HKC4Uo
Bowser Castle Remix (DDR MM)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J24vpqlIgA&
Bowser Fight (SPM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQLrHp74YYc

Mario Stage 3 (SMB3 Theme)
Where’s the Exit? (DDR MM)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iffgm3vTgU0&
Jump! Jump! Jump! (DDR MM)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP8ckykmx1E&
Hammer Bros Theme (SMB3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYDo0k-lu0E
Boss Fight (SMB3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_BfB4NpKpg
Underwater Theme (SSBB/SMB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbbj5B4a4X0
Ground Theme (SSBB/SMB) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vmK6q_gopo
Super Mario Bros 3 (SSBM/SMB3)- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD5xRJdNQGI

Mario Stage 4 (Paper Mario Theme)
Bowser’s Theme (PM 2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_xMF3nbqDs
The Ultimate Show (SPM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu1CVSoRpI
Master Battle (PM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmjYCnx-ds
Normal Battle (PM) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh5Lh2gTwpg
Final Boss Theme (ML3) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mawWW4MN9UI&
Normal Battle (PM2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFCrdsu1KPU
X-Naut Moon Base (PM2) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF2JXipEkJg&

If anyone has any suggestions for other songs, or criticisms about what I selected, I wouldn't mind hearing it. Input is always good.

 

[n88]

Music....

I don't have much to say here, except that Nintendo should acquire the rights to "Prelude to Madness" And make it Ganondorf's victory theme. But that seems unlikely.

 

[UberMario]

How would you feel if this song was in SSB4?

 

[Wizzerd]

I'm a huge Paper Mario nerd, so I'll suggest some tunes from it:
Koopa Bros
Ghost Gulping
Freeze!
Dragon Battle
Boggly Woods
Magnus von Grapple
Rawk Hawk Rock
Macho Grubba Battle
Doopliss Battle
Cortez Battle
Smorg Battle
Final Boss Battle
Count Bleck Battle
Yes, more than half of these are from TTYD.

 

[Clownbot]

Another epic song:

This and up to 1:10 of this should be a single song in SSB4.

Yoshi's Story is too underrated.

 

[lordvaati]

Porky Means Business and Doomsday Zone are the 2 I think I'd like to see the most. oh, and the world of Drawcia is just screaming for a remix.

 

[Wizzerd]

I can't believe I forgot the Deku Temple and Pinkle's Song.

Especially Pinkle's Song. God that song is so sexy.