[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Kid Nino]

Dropping the Tingle discussion.

For some reason I'd like to see a Team Rocket member. Just a grunt using the same mechanics as PT but with the original Jessie and James Pokemon. (Seeing as PT is the Kanto version meaning Ekans, Koffing, and Meowth.) Or if they choose to go with Johto for the next game with PT that would make my life. Having a feraligator, Bayleef, and a Cyndiquil equals win.

Opinions?

 

[DekuBoy]

Tingle is cool in a creepy way. He's the Wario of his series. A creepy, money-obsessed fella. So he fits right in.

HOLY CRAP

A cutscene in single player where Wario and Tingle battle over treasure! Gimme a raise!

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Dropping the Tingle discussion.

For some reason I'd like to see a Team Rocket member. Just a grunt using the same mechanics as PT but with the original Jessie and James Pokemon. (Seeing as PT is the Kanto version meaning Ekans, Koffing, and Meowth.) Or if they choose to go with Johto for the next game with PT that would make my life. Having a feraligator, Bayleef, and a Cyndiquil equals win.

Opinions?

Interesting, but not stinkin' likely.

 

[Big-Cat]

Why? Sakurai has shown us that Japan is where popularity matters the most, by the inclusion of many Japan-only characters and by the fact that he's friggin' Japanese. Also, I wouldn't say that my arguments are flimsy when you're the one who supports Wolf Link because he might have a cameo in Zelda Wii, despite the fact that one-shots in the Zelda series never cameo again and cameos are insignificant. Then you supported Gardevoir because of fanart.

The only Japan-only character in Brawl is Lucas. You could consider Marth one, but that's null and void. Anything Japan exclusive is either an Assist Trophy or a sticker.

Now, what makes you think all these "one-shots" won't appear again? Are you Miyamoto or Aonuma? Look what almost happened with Sheik. She was slated to appear in Twilight Princess, but it didn't happen. We may very well see Wolf Link in the future, but the circumstances will probably be different.

 

[DekuBoy]

Personally I would rather see Deku Link return than Wolf Link.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The only Japan-only character in Brawl is Lucas. You could consider Marth one, but that's null and void. Anything Japan exclusive is either an Assist Trophy or a sticker.

It should be noted that the poll that involved Japan-only characters that haven't shown up in Smash yet was organized sometime after Sakurai came up with Brawl's roster (Sonic pending).

The possible future appearance of more Japan-only characters is still up in the air.

 

[Wizzerd]

The only Japan-only character in Brawl is Lucas. You could consider Marth one, but that's null and void. Anything Japan exclusive is either an Assist Trophy or a sticker.

Now, what makes you think all these "one-shots" won't appear again? Are you Miyamoto or Aonuma? Look what almost happened with Sheik. She was slated to appear in Twilight Princess, but it didn't happen. We may very well see Wolf Link in the future, but the circumstances will probably be different.

Marth was added when he was Japan-only, and Fire Emblem as a series got two reps in Melee despite being a mostly Japanese series at the time.

Of course I don't know for sure, but it's what is logical based on prior events. Agahnim, the King of Red Lions, Masked Link and countless other characters I forgot about were all popular, yet never appeared again. Why should Wolf Link, and why would a cameo make Wolf Link worth the time and effort when Tingle will probably be in as the new Zelda character? I bet that by SSB4 people will have forgotten Midna and Wolf Link, and will be supporting the pointy-haired fairy thing. Also, can I see a source on the Sheik thing? I trust that there is one, but I just want to see it.

Personally I would rather see Deku Link return than Wolf Link.

I would too, as MM is tied for my favorite Zelda (the other being Rosy Rupeeland), but I doubt that we will see him, cool as he would be.

Spoiler

He can hop on the surface of the water instead of swimming! :D Maybe I'll do a Masked Link for MYM sometime.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Why? Sakurai has shown us that Japan is where popularity matters the most, by the inclusion of many Japan-only characters and by the fact that he's friggin' Japanese. Also, I wouldn't say that my arguments are flimsy when you're the one who supports Wolf Link because he might have a cameo in Zelda Wii, despite the fact that one-shots in the Zelda series never cameo again and cameos are insignificant. Then you supported Gardevoir because of fanart.

No he hasn't.
He said that he cannot just consider just japan only characters anymore because smash was going to be for the world. He did say that he might still consider some, but that it would be limited.

And they are flimsy. You use 'country that matters most' and 'Fans will be happy' as your points.
That is flimsy.

Marth was added when he was Japan-only, and Fire Emblem as a series got two reps in Melee despite being a mostly Japanese series at the time.

Roy only made it because they extended the roster with clones. If they did not do that, it would have been only 1 japan only character. Roy is conditional because his moveset is based on marth.

Of course I don't know for sure, but it's what is logical based on prior events. Agahnim, the King of Red Lions, Masked Link and countless other characters I forgot about were all popular, yet never appeared again.

How popular? None of them were ever mind boggling popular and Masked link is link.

Why should Wolf Link, and why would a cameo make Wolf Link worth the time and effort when Tingle will probably be in as the new Zelda character? I bet that by SSB4 people will have forgotten Midna and Wolf Link, and will be supporting the pointy-haired fairy thing. Also, can I see a source on the Sheik thing? I trust that there is one, but I just want to see it.

Part of it is a hope. Part of it is that Midna is/was very popular. Part of it was that the director of TP was asked if she would appear again in an interview. What is one good way to sneak midna into being playable? Put her on wolf link.

 

[ultimatesmashguy]

Does anyone here have a youtube.com account

 

[drag0nscythe]

Does anyone here have a youtube.com account

why are you asking?

 

[Wizzerd]

No he hasn't.
He said that he cannot just consider just japan only characters anymore because smash was going to be for the world. He did say that he might still consider some, but that it would be limited.

And they are flimsy. You use 'country that matters most' and 'Fans will be happy' as your points.
That is flimsy.

Not only do you lack a source, if he says that he cannot just consider Japan, that doesn't mean that Japan-only characters can't get in at all. But even if you were right, Tingle seems to be being phased out of the Zelda series and being only put into his own series. By SSB4 most of the people who would normally hate him won't know of his existence, as his series is mostly Japan (and Europe)-only. They would just laugh at him and then use him as much as any other character.

Roy only made it because they extended the roster with clones. If they did not do that, it would have been only 1 japan only character. Roy is conditional because his moveset is based on marth.

Fine, but there still were two reps in Brawl... (though Ike did have some popularity outside of Japan)

How popular? None of them were ever mind boggling popular and Masked link is link.

Midna was never any more "mind boggling popular" than any of these characters. Masked Link is Link, but... your mantra of no characters being the same is even less logical outside of Smash. The Links are all different and they could have just referenced him.

Part of it is a hope. Part of it is that Midna is/was very popular. Part of it was that the director of TP was asked if she would appear again in an interview. What is one good way to sneak midna into being playable? Put her on wolf link.

Are there any concrete reasons? Assumptions are not enough to go off of, and explain why a cameo would even do anything for Wolf Link.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Not only do you lack a source, if he says that he cannot just consider Japan, that doesn't mean that Japan-only characters can't get in at all. But even if you were right, Tingle seems to be being phased out of the Zelda series and being only put into his own series. By SSB4 most of the people who would normally hate him won't know of his existence, as his series is mostly Japan (and Europe)-only. They would just laugh at him and then use him as much as any other character.

Inclusion of characters
Solid Snake with his trademark cardboard box and Mario on the Delfino Plaza stage.

Sakurai stated that he did not want to emphasize Japan-only characters;[24] in Brawl's cast, only Marth and Lucas have not appeared outside of Japan (with the exception of Marth in Melee). Sakurai also stated there would be no more than three third-party characters;[24] these characters were Snake and Sonic. The inclusion of Konami-created character Solid Snake may seem to conflict with the Super Smash Bros. paradigm — to only include characters from games made by Nintendo and its second parties — but Sakurai said Hideo Kojima "practically begged" for Snake to be included in Melee, which did not happen because the game was too far in development. This in turn led to his appearance in the following game instead.[25] Similarly, Lucas from Mother 3 was intended to be used in Melee, but was left out because Mother 3 was delayed.[26]

Japanese fans were asked to submit their desired characters and musical themes via a forum on the game's official Japanese site, with some possibly appearing in the game. Likewise, fans from other countries were asked to submit ideas on Nintendo's official forums.[27]

Suggestions were no longer being taken as of June 9, 2006. In August 2006, Sakurai and Miyamoto stated that Nintendo was negotiating rights to other third-party characters.[28] The most requested third-party character, Sega's Sonic the Hedgehog, was announced to be in the game on October 10, 2007.[29]

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Smash_Bros._Brawl

 

[n88]

And they are flimsy. You use 'country that matters most' and 'Fans will be happy' as your points.
That is so incredibly not flimsy.

FIXED
The entire logic behind the roster is to make fans happy. Scroll down and look at the Melee polls. Note how many of those top characters have become playable. Sakurai bases a lot of roster decisions on popularity, which means he's trying to make fans happy.

In favor of some of your arguments, Wolf Link does have a slight advantage over other one-shots in that he was a playable one-shot. That's about all he has going for him.

 

[Big-Cat]

Marth was added when he was Japan-only, and Fire Emblem as a series got two reps in Melee despite being a mostly Japanese series at the time.

Of course I don't know for sure, but it's what is logical based on prior events. Agahnim, the King of Red Lions, Masked Link and countless other characters I forgot about were all popular, yet never appeared again. Why should Wolf Link, and why would a cameo make Wolf Link worth the time and effort when Tingle will probably be in as the new Zelda character? I bet that by SSB4 people will have forgotten Midna and Wolf Link, and will be supporting the pointy-haired fairy thing. Also, can I see a source on the Sheik thing? I trust that there is one, but I just want to see it.

While FE got two characters, one of them was a roster stuffer so that's kind of a weak argument.

I swear, you're going on your arguments almost solely on two cards: Japan matters most, and recent characters rule. The reason why some of those don't appear is because of storyline circumstances. Wolf Link may be worth appearing in a future Zelda because, I don't know, people like the character and can be worked into future games which can't be said for some characters like Agahnim (explicitly the same character).

Look at the Ocarina of Time. After nearly a decade, this game has a large fanbase, and the characters are remembered fondly. They aren't pushed aside for the new guys. They just make room for the newcomers. The same will apply to Wolf Link and Midna.

As for the Sheik thing: http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/sheik.html

 

[Wizzerd]

FIXED
The entire logic behind the roster is to make fans happy. Scroll down and look at the Melee polls. Note how many of those top characters have become playable. Sakurai bases a lot of roster decisions on popularity, which means he's trying to make fans happy.

In favor of some of your arguments, Wolf Link does have a slight advantage over other one-shots in that he was a playable one-shot. That's about all he has going for him.

Thanks, n88. Wolf Link's slight advantage will be null and void by SSB4, as people will be supporting that pointy sword fairy or something.

 

[DekuBoy]

If Midna was gonna get in I think Brawl was her chance. Sakurai knew she was popular and gave her TWO trophies and TWO stickers. He was over generous. Now she has had her time in Smash Bros and maybe she can be a trophie in the next one.

 

[drag0nscythe]

FIXED
The entire logic behind the roster is to make fans happy. Scroll down and look at the Melee polls. Note how many of those top characters have become playable. Sakurai bases a lot of roster decisions on popularity, which means he's trying to make fans happy.

In favor of some of your arguments, Wolf Link does have a slight advantage over other one-shots in that he was a playable one-shot. That's about all he has going for him.

Ridley would have made the fans happy.
Decloned Ganondrof would have made the fans happy.
He tries, but not all the time.

It is flimsy logic because it is so easily casted off or debated. 'japan-only' is not a factor. World matters. 'Makes the fans happy' is silly. throwing in Lineback would make fans happy.

It needs stronger, more concrete support.

As for the characters. To be quite honest, the poll is nothing more then a tool. All the characters we have are either the heads of their series or were so popular that the poll told them nothing new. Now that we have most of the expected characters, we are now moving into were he polls would matter more.

Ridley still got the shaft.

 

[Big-Cat]

If Midna was gonna get in I think Brawl was her chance. Sakurai knew she was popular and gave her TWO trophies and TWO stickers. He was over generous. Now she has had her time in Smash Bros and maybe she can be a trophie in the next one.

Twilight Princess was released a year and a half after the roster was "finalized." Therefore, she really didn't stand much of a chance in becoming a playable character.

 

[BSP]

Should we expect the third parties to stay?

 

[ultimatesmashguy]

why are you asking?

well i was gonna ask if you wanted the links of my two new youtube videos I made. They are pretty good if you ask me ones bout cool characters that would be in ssb4 and the other one is custome colored toads that kinda look cool so do you wanna check them out

 

[drag0nscythe]

Should we expect the third parties to stay?

I would not expect them to stay. But I hope they do.
I love playing Sonic vs. Mario.

Who do you want/think the next 3rd party character will be?

I want to see Goemon playable.
I expect Megaman to be playable.

 

[n88]

Ridley would have made the fans happy.
Decloned Ganondrof would have made the fans happy.
He tries, but not all the time.

It is flimsy logic because it is so easily casted off or debated. 'japan-only' is not a factor. World matters. 'Makes the fans happy' is silly. throwing in Lineback would make fans happy.

It needs stronger, more concrete support.

As for the characters. To be quite honest, the poll is nothing more then a tool. All the characters we have are either the heads of their series or were so popular that the poll told them nothing new. Now that we have most of the expected characters, we are now moving into were he polls would matter more.

Ridley still got the shaft.

I didn't say the roster was solely about making fans happy. Ridley didn't get in because Sakurai couldn't find a way to make him work. Instead, Metroid got ZSS, three stages, two bosses, one assit trophy, and a bunch of unnecessary trophies. He does try.

Complately de-cloning G-dorf would have made a lot of fans happy, but it would have disappointed some, as well. A lot of poeple play as the same character from game to game., and seeing a completely new Ganondorf on the roster would be about the same as having Ganondorf cut.

Throwing in Linebeck might make some fans happy, but there are other things you could do to make fans happer (Linebeck isn't that popular)

And yes, polls are going to start mattering more now. But you might notice that Metroid was a more popular selection than Ridley on those polls.

 

[drag0nscythe]

well i was gonna ask if you wanted the links of my two new youtube videos I made. They are pretty good if you ask me ones bout cool characters that would be in ssb4 and the other one is custome colored toads that kinda look cool so do you wanna check them out

Post them. I would love to see them.

I didn't say the roster was solely about making fans happy. Ridley didn't get in because Sakurai couldn't find a way to make him work. Instead, Metroid got ZSS, three stages, two bosses, one assit trophy, and a bunch of unnecessary trophies. He does try.

Complately de-cloning G-dorf would have made a lot of fans happy, but it would have disappointed some, as well. A lot of poeple play as the same character from game to game., and seeing a completely new Ganondorf on the roster would be about the same as having Ganondorf cut.

Throwing in Linebeck might make some fans happy, but there are other things you could do to make fans happer (Linebeck isn't that popular)

And yes, polls are going to start mattering more now. But you might notice that Metroid was a more popular selection than Ridley on those polls.

You mean metroid?
Well, looking at the brawl polls (so to speak)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872

Ridley was up there.

 

[Big-Cat]

Should we expect the third parties to stay?

I think so. They may be guest characters, but these guys are very popular, and it would be a mistake to kick these guys out.

 

[ultimatesmashguy]

Post them. I would love to see them.

ok thanks your awsome ok the toad one is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxsBA7a_DE

and the ssb4 one is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2IC-mFnM34

now do you have an acoount?

 

[drag0nscythe]

ok thanks your awsome ok the toad one is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxsBA7a_DE

and the ssb4 one is:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2IC-mFnM34

now do you have an acoount?

Yes. It is the same name as here.

 

[Wizzerd]

About the third parties: I honestly would not mind seeing the third parties be replaced, but with all likelihood they will. Sonic is ridiculously popular as a character, and Snake's tier position makes him very commonly used.

 

[Arcadenik]

Seriously, stop. F-Zero is not neglected in Smash. We have a playable character, an Assist Trophy, two stages, and tons of stickers and music. F-Zero has plenty of attention... not as much as Mario and Pokemon... but that's only because its not a major franchise like them.

Also, the Marioverse has more characters than Pokemon. Eight in all... why do people keep forgetting that Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, Yoshi, and Wario are also part of the Marioverse. The Marioverse is just divided into four major series.

And we have retro characters because they had games that came out between 2001 and 2008. Its likely the most of the mainstream audience would have played some of them.

Kid Icarus
- Famicom Mini Series on the GBA in 2004
- Virtual Console in 2007

Ice Climbers
- Animal Crossing in 2002
- e-Reader for the GBA in 2003
- Classic NES Series on the GBA in 2004
- Virtual Console in 2007

R.O.B.
- Mario Kart DS in 2005

Mr. Game & Watch
- Game & Watch Gallery 4 on the GBA in 2002
- Game & Watch Collection on the DS in 2006

Marth
- Fire Emblem: Shadow Dragon on the DS in 2008 (probably was removed from Brawl and then added back in Brawl to promote this game and to increase the roster size)

Ness
- Mother 1+2 on the GBA in 2003

 

[ultimatesmashguy]

please comment cuz no one seems to b and tell your friends so they can watch and if u friend me then u can suggest more video ideas you want me to do and also if you want me to custom color more characters please suggest guys ud like to c custom colored

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

You mean metroid?
Well, looking at the brawl polls (so to speak)
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=71872

Ridley was up there.

I was looking for that! God bless you. :bigthumbu

I think so. They may be guest characters, but these guys are very popular, and it would be a mistake to kick these guys out.

Indeed. Mistake is putting it lightly though, as it would practically be marketing suicide. Heck, if they left, it wouldn't just be like shooting yourself in the foot, it'd be blowing the entire leg off with a bazooka.

That said, I like playing with Sonic. Also, Snake offers a creative moveset.

 

[drag0nscythe]

please comment cuz no one seems to b and tell your friends so they can watch and if u friend me then u can suggest more video ideas you want me to do and also if you want me to custom color more characters please suggest guys ud like to c custom colored

well. Get Gimp and remake the toad one. That is one thing I would suggest.

Also, if you have time and can. Make your toad outfits on different toad images. So that it is more visually interesting.

Other vids. Do one for Waluigi. Serious think about what 6 colors her would have and make a vid on that.

Good job. Could use improvement though.

 

[Avenu]

Can anybody point me to the confirmation of SSB4 that doesn't make this thread pointless?

 

[Big-Cat]

There's something that's been bothering me regarding the next game's controls. Assuming that SSB4 is on the next console and will NOT have support for Gamecube controllers, what do you think will happen? Do you think people will adapt to the newest controller or perhaps get a custom fightstick for the game?

 

[Clownbot]

Can anybody point me to the confirmation of SSB4 that doesn't make this thread pointless?

It doesn't exist.

...yet.

 

[jumpman9793]

I hope that if a 4th Smash comes out they completely rework Ganondorf moveset to make it original. They should make him use his sword in addition to some new kicks and punches.

I also hope that they remove any clone final smashes and they avoid making any clone characters. They should only have some semi-clones like Lucas and Wolf.

 

[SymphonicSage12]

Fox and Wolf only have five moves in common...

blaster, bair, upb, side b, down b.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

This thread moves too fast for me. I swear anytime I get a nice argument going it's gone in like 5 seconds.

Wizzerd I'm just gonna take the roster criticizing thing to PMs so I don't lose track. Or maybe that SSB4 whatever group, but I ain't joining without knowing what goes on in there. I would've preferred to have it an open debate but the all-purposeness of this thread makes things way too difficult.

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In my first non-roster related post, I'd like the next game to have the following:

- More vocal samples. I don't like how every character has to grunt the exact same way every time they use a specific smash or special. Aether is like the only exception ever.
- Individual victory themes, which is probably gonna happen anyway.
- The option to disable Team Colors. I mostly play Team Battles and it's a shame I can't see regular colors for half the cast. I'd love to have Mario and Luigi on the same team with their proper colors like in any of the co-op modes.

Also some songs:
Super Mario Land - Birabuto Kingdom
Super Mario Land - Sky Pop
Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest - Boss Bossanova
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat - Aerie Fortress
Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island - Mini-Boss
Wario Land: Shake It! - Mt. Lava Lava
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Hyrule Castle
Super Metroid - Tackling the Beast (Vs. Kraid / Crocomire / Phantoon)
Kirby Super Star - Orange Ocean
Star Fox 64 - Sector Y
Pokémon Red / Blue - Bicycle Theme
F-Zero GX/AX - Feel Our Pain (Fire Field)
EarthBound - Boy Meets Girl (Twoson)
Fire Emblem: Genealogy of the Holy War - Light and Dark
Game & Watch Gallery - Fire
Kid Icarus: Of Myths and Monsters - Sky Palace
Punch-Out!! - Major Circuit: Title Bout!!
Megaman 3 - Proto Man

 

[Arcadenik]

Ridley would have made the fans happy.
Decloned Ganondrof would have made the fans happy.
He tries, but not all the time.

It is flimsy logic because it is so easily casted off or debated. 'japan-only' is not a factor. World matters. 'Makes the fans happy' is silly. throwing in Lineback would make fans happy.

It needs stronger, more concrete support.

As for the characters. To be quite honest, the poll is nothing more then a tool. All the characters we have are either the heads of their series or were so popular that the poll told them nothing new. Now that we have most of the expected characters, we are now moving into were he polls would matter more.

Ridley still got the shaft.

Ridley would make the fans happy? Really? Which fans? The Metroid fans in general or the Ridley fanboys? The Ridley fanboys use the "Metroid needs more representation" argument as a reason why Ridley should be playable. Well, the Metroid franchise have the following:

- Samus as a playable character
- Zero Suit Samus as a playable character
- Norfair as a stage
- Frigate Orpheon as a stage
- Brinstar as a stage
- Metroid as an Assist Trophy
- Ridley as a boss
- Meta Ridley as a boss
- Super Metroid as a Masterpiece
- tons of trophies, stickers, and music
- and even a Samus vs. Ridley scene in the Adventure Mode

I'd say the Metroid franchise is getting plenty of representation. Really, it seems to me that Ridley fanboys use the "Metroid needs more representation" as a smokescreen to hide their true reason why Ridley should be playable in Smash... they just want Ridley to be on the roster. I mean, it looks like Sakurai tried to make the Metroid fans in general happy and to showcase the mainstream audience what the Metroid series is all about... only the Ridley fanboys aren't happy about it and claim that Sakurai is not representing the Metroid franchise properly.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Ridley would make the fans happy? Really? Which fans? The Metroid fans in general or the Ridley fanboys? The Ridley fanboys use the "Metroid needs more representation" argument as a reason why Ridley should be playable. Well, the Metroid franchise have the following:

- Samus as a playable character
- Zero Suit Samus as a playable character
- Norfair as a stage
- Frigate Orpheon as a stage
- Brinstar as a stage
- Metroid as an Assist Trophy
- Ridley as a boss
- Meta Ridley as a boss
- Super Metroid as a Masterpiece
- tons of trophies, stickers, and music
- and even a Samus vs. Ridley scene in the Adventure Mode

I'd say the Metroid franchise is getting plenty of representation. Really, it seems to me that Ridley fanboys use the "Metroid needs more representation" as a smokescreen to hide their true reason why Ridley should be playable in Smash... they just want Ridley to be on the roster. I mean, it looks like Sakurai tried to make the Metroid fans in general happy and to showcase the mainstream audience what the Metroid series is all about... only the Ridley fanboys aren't happy about it and claim that Sakurai is not representing the Metroid franchise properly.

Ridley should be playable. All that really matters is playable characters.
Metroid fans wanted Ridley playable.

Look at the poll I posted for proof.

and before we start a ridley debate.
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=7550012&postcount=17957

if you have a point not listed there, then I will debate it.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

- Individual victory themes, which is probably gonna happen anyway.

This. Meta Knight's theme was a nice taste of this, so I would like that very much. Heck, a rock remix of the SMB stage end theme for Bowser would be cool.

Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest - Boss Bossanova

I would love to see Crocodile Cacophony, myself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSmDgjNnfzM.