[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[codfish92]

Oh, come on. Mewtwo was one of my mains in Melee and I didn't get upset about Mewtwo's removal. I was just surprised about it but I moved on. If one of my mains were cut from Brawl, then I can simply find new mains in the next game. Not forgiving a game designer for doing something in a game you didn't like is a bit too silly, don't you think?

a good 10-30% of the "we hate brawl melee was way better" crowd is people who were obsessed with their main that they actually cried when their character's weren't in brawl.

 

[Prince17]

oh man, I cant wait.I've thought of this,more than likely there will be one.and hopefully there will be DLC +better stage builder+better online play+more online options!!!like adventure mode -boss battles- hit the targets (i no boss battles can work with hacks but u cant accually play it)+More character textures(or a way to hack to make more without replacing others)+characters needed:everyone left behind at melee+krystal+ridley+dark samus+dry bones+ dry bowser+blooper+King boo+waddle dee-waddle doo (ehh maybe)+dixie kong+mega man+geno+midna+wolf link+toon zeld+toon ganon+waluigi+daisy+knuckles+shadow+tails+silver+
amy+toad+toadette+paper mario+koopa kid/bowser jr (with brush and mask and ability to even maybe steal other peopels mvoes like kirby :S)+spyro+cynder+shadow mario+birdo+rosalina&lumas(ALL COLOURS)-get them like pikmin or soemthing lol+baby mario+baby luigi+baby peach+baby daisy+fly guy/shy guy(i know the differences between them)+koopa/paratroopa+king k. rool+rouge+scourge+metal sonic+Jet+blaze+eggman+Crean and chao+cosmo ANDDD OHHH THE PLATFORM THING FROM SSB64! D: i never got to play that cause i never played that game before IT MSUT COEM TO VIRTUAL CONSOLE IN NORTH AMERICA !! i know this is ALOT to ask but i dont expect everything lsited to get in.these are just all of the possibilities i could think of in about 10 minutes of thinking and writing.oh and peach to include her perry umbrella thing.i nkow i ddint include everything but its alot

 

[n88]

Sssssllllllooooowwwwwwww dddddooooooooowwwwwwwnnnnnnnnn.

 

[Spydr Enzo]

oh man, I cant wait.I've thought of this,more than likely there will be one.and hopefully there will be DLC +better stage builder+better online play+more online options!!!like adventure mode -boss battles- hit the targets (i no boss battles can work with hacks but u cant accually play it)+More character textures(or a way to hack to make more without replacing others)+characters needed:everyone left behind at melee+krystal+ridley+dark samus+dry bones+ dry bowser+blooper+King boo+waddle dee-waddle doo (ehh maybe)+dixie kong+mega man+geno+midna+wolf link+toon zeld+toon ganon+waluigi+daisy+knuckles+shadow+tails+silver+
amy+toad+toadette+paper mario+koopa kid/bowser jr (with brush and mask and ability to even maybe steal other peopels mvoes like kirby :S)+spyro+cynder+shadow mario+birdo+rosalina&lumas(ALL COLOURS)-get them like pikmin or soemthing lol+baby mario+baby luigi+baby peach+baby daisy+fly guy/shy guy(i know the differences between them)+koopa/paratroopa+king k. rool+rouge+scourge+metal sonic+Jet+blaze+eggman+Crean and chao+cosmo ANDDD OHHH THE PLATFORM THING FROM SSB64! D: i never got to play that cause i never played that game before IT MSUT COEM TO VIRTUAL CONSOLE IN NORTH AMERICA !! i know this is ALOT to ask but i dont expect everything lsited to get in.these are just all of the possibilities i could think of in about 10 minutes of thinking and writing.oh and peach to include her perry umbrella thing.i nkow i ddint include everything but its alot

Uhm WUT?


On the Assist Trophy discussion (if that is still going on), I always thought Tails (from Sonic, of course) would be a neat Assist Trophy. First of all, he actually ASSISTS you. How does he do it? Well, when you first unleash him, he follows you around the stage, slightly in the background, and I've thought of a few things that he could help you do.

One, maybe he could give you extra jumps (it would make Kirby, Meta Knight, etc. godly, but whatever), after your jumps are completed, you press up (or the jump button) again, and you get up to three, After that, he leaves.

Two, maybe when you are falling in your helpless form, you can press up (or the jump button) and he will provide a last minute recovery move that is similar to Pit's Up B.

Note that when you use your extra jumps or the recovery, Tails is carrying your character, his tails swirling above him like a helicopter.

What do you think?

 

[UberMario]

Uhm WUT?

He wants:
1.A stage builder that's better
2.Online Boss Battles with multiple players
3.The characters from melee plus the others he listed
4.A Rosalina that behaves like Olimar (Beat him there, already have a moveset)
5.Board the Platforms
6.A VC release of the original game
7.Peach to use Perry.

Tails should be a playable character, not an AT.

He would be too useful as an assist trophy, and we know that Sakurai doesn't want that


Just kidding, just kidding. . . . .

They should allow MP3s to be inserted (like Excite Truck) where you give a loop point.

 

[Katapultar]

Make the SSE in SSB4 have 4 players, and then Sakurai will make the bosses 2X harder.

 

[Volkner582]

I can think about it. If I can come up with a cool way to kill her, I will move it in.



Thanks. I am really fond of the idea also.



I will disagree. The more characters the better. And if all old reps can make a comeback in some way, it would be even better. I hate having to go back to melee to play mewtwo.



It would make some sense. Story mode is just that, a story. It should have no effect on everything else in the game.

I am a Mewtwo fan. I just liked the idea so much. As I said before, I plan on killing others also.

While planning it out, I pretty much said "We need tragedy, we need the heroes to overcome great odds and we need the Story mode to take the piss out of nintendo."

tragedy would come from:
Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Meta-Knight, Jiggs (maybe) would die.
Peach's Castle gets destroyed.
Samus gets critically wounded.
Red Loses his pokemon in some fashion.

Overcoming great odds:
Well, winning the war for one thing would be great odds.
Banding together even though their forces are lost.
Saving Samus.

Taking the Piss out of it:
Well, Bowser doing the mario level is one.
The angry sun kicking everyones butt.
Dimentio and his antics.

much more also. Just most not panned out completely yet.

I did think about bringing him back, but I hate it when a character dies and then is just magically resurrected. It cheapens the death and the characters role.

I really think resurrection is the only thing that would make it any good. Anyway, why does tragedy have to include death? The castle and Samus' injury (I'm okay if Red's Pokemon don't actually die, but otherwise...) are enough tragedy. If you want to kill someone, kill a supporting character that isn't playable. Or, as an alternative, resurrect (not necessarily via magic) anyone who dies during the conclusion. It isn't cheap if they aren't playable after their death in the Adventure mode.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I'm all for the SSE's story becoming darker but I think the death of main characters is a bit much. I think the story should become comparable to... *thinks about it* Fire Emblem for the GBA. The story's pretty dark when you view it in context but it definately doesn't seem weird for a Nintendo game. Seriously, having a game with Mario, Kirby, and death in it would be so... odd.

 

[POKE40]

My wish bag:

Characters:
I really don't care about the characters.

- MK to be near the bottom on the list.

- Hello Mewtwo

- A Link that does not suck

Stages:

- 64 stages <3

- Very large and unique level creator (run-offs, customaziable ground platforms, etc)

- MP3/MP4 supported files.

1-P:
Can't think of anything.

Online:

- Lag. Be like Mario Kart. Seemingly no lag.

- People who are Disconnectors/ Wii-turn off'ers during gameplay = immediate and obvious cpu replacement

- Different types of online rule sets to choose from: time, time w/ stock, 1 vs. 1, free for all, team match, team match w/ friendly fire.

Misc:

- Fast loading time

- Special intro(no 1-P video cut and paste something like melee)


Of course not all of this will come true.
*sssssssssiggghhh*

 

[Clownbot]

My wish bag:

Characters:
I really don't care about the characters.

- MK to be near the bottom on the list.

- Hello Mewtwo

Unlikely.

- A Link that does not suck

Would be FANTASTIC, but I doubt he'll get an overhaul or anything close, for that matter.

Stages:

- 64 stages <3

Unlikely.

- Very large and unique level creator (run-offs, customaziable ground platforms, etc)

ZOMG YES

- MP3/MP4 supported files.

lolno

I know you've already made it clear that you know some of these were unlikely, I just felt like replying was still in order.

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+1 post.

Replies in magenta, because I'm in such a magenta mood right now.

 

[Pieman0920]

Smash is supposed to be light hearted as far as I'm concerned, and adding in the death of a character seems to just not fit in at all. Really, this is a crossover video game with little pink puff balls, electric rats, elfs in green tights, anthromorphic animals with futuristic weapons, and everything inbetween. Trying to incorporate these characters with overly dramatic or grim themes will just end in akwardness. (Also there's the fact that any plot development with any of the series is null and void due to this being a cross over game)

 

[lordvaati]

oh Man, I Cant Wait.i've Thought Of This,more Than Likely There Will Be One.and Hopefully There Will Be Dlc +better Stage Builder+better Online Play+more Online Options!!!like Adventure Mode -boss Battles- Hit The Targets (i No Boss Battles Can Work With Hacks But U Cant Accually Play It)+more Character Textures(or A Way To Hack To Make More Without Replacing Others)+characters Needed:everyone Left Behind At Melee+krystal+ridley+dark Samus+dry Bones+ Dry Bowser+blooper+king Boo+waddle Dee-waddle Doo (ehh Maybe)+dixie Kong+mega Man+geno+midna+wolf Link+toon Zeld+toon Ganon+waluigi+daisy+knuckles+shadow+tails+silver+
Amy+toad+toadette+paper Mario+koopa Kid/bowser Jr (with Brush And Mask And Ability To Even Maybe Steal Other Peopels Mvoes Like Kirby :s)+spyro+cynder+shadow Mario+birdo+rosalina&lumas(all Colours)-get Them Like Pikmin Or Soemthing Lol+baby Mario+baby Luigi+baby Peach+baby Daisy+fly Guy/shy Guy(i Know The Differences Between Them)+koopa/paratroopa+king K. Rool+rouge+scourge+metal Sonic+jet+blaze+eggman+crean And Chao+cosmo Anddd Ohhh The Platform Thing From Ssb64! D: I Never Got To Play That Cause I Never Played That Game Before It Msut Coem To Virtual Console In North America !! I Know This Is Alot To Ask But I Dont Expect Everything Lsited To Get In.these Are Just All Of The Possibilities I Could Think Of In About 10 Minutes Of Thinking And Writing.oh And Peach To Include Her Perry Umbrella Thing.i Nkow I Ddint Include Everything But Its Alot

Scourge. And.Cosmo.Are.Not.Canon!!!!

 

[Clownbot]

Scourge. And.Cosmo.Are.Not.Canon!!!!

Yeah, and that was the worst part of the post.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Smash is supposed to be light hearted as far as I'm concerned, and adding in the death of a character seems to just not fit in at all. Really, this is a crossover video game with little pink puff balls, electric rats, elfs in green tights, anthromorphic animals with futuristic weapons, and everything inbetween. Trying to incorporate these characters with overly dramatic or grim themes will just end in akwardness. (Also there's the fact that any plot development with any of the series is null and void due to this being a cross over game)

*opens Pandora's box* It wouldn't be that awkward. Kingdom Hearts was able to pull it off pretty well.

Also, I've come to the conclusion that Sakurai hates Link. Low tier in all three games, it kind of makes you wonder...

 

[n88]

*opens Pandora's box* It wouldn't be that awkward. Kingdom Hearts was able to pull it off pretty well.

Also, I've come to the conclusion that Sakurai hates Link. Low tier in all three games, it kind of makes you wonder...

More like he hates LoZ.

64

Link - Suckage

Melee

Sheik - Great
Ganondorf - Good
Link - Bad
Young Link Worse
Zelda - Sucky

Brawl

Toon Link - Alright
Sheik - Alright
Zelda - Bad
Link - Complete and utter suckage
Ganondorf - Even worse than complete and utter suckage

*Hopes for Tingle to be Top Tier*

 

[Wizzerd]

Zelda isn't really all that bad of a character... what with her fireBALLS and all...

Still, Tingle should be SSB4's Meta Knight. My Tingle moveset in MYM was kind of broken so I can show how it's done.

 

[UberMario]

Zelda isn't really all that bad of a character... what with her fireballs and all...

Still, Tingle should be SSB4's Meta Knight. My Tingle moveset in MYM was kind of broken so I can show how it's done.

There's lag at the very end of Din's Fire that makes it easy to perfect-sheild, and USmash is the only reliable, quick KOer.

Can people please stop calling MK broken!

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Meta-Knight is a cheap character, so people call him broken.

And Wizzerd, your roster list with all those Tingles was funny.

 

[n88]

Zelda is bad. If they made a scrub tier list, she would be toptier with Ike and Wolf. Unfortunately, the Tier List is based on high-level play.

I hope Sakurai gives her a new f-air since it's currently just a slower version of her b-air.

EDIT: @UberMario - USmash isn't all that reliable because it can be SDI'd out of.

EDIT 2: Also, Wizzerd's roster wasn't that good. He forgot Tingletwo and Tingle the Hedgehog.

 

[UberMario]

EDIT: @UberMario - USmash isn't all that reliable because it can be SDI'd out of.

DI doesn't do much good at 150-240% (Which is what I usually get up to before being knocked out)

 

[Spydr Enzo]

This probably isn't right, but I always thought the reason for Sakurai's neglect of the Legend of Zelda series, or his evident dislike, is because the series never really did too well in Japan. It IS a fact that Legend of Zelda was once pretty popular in Japan but has since dwindled extremely. In the West, though, Legend of Zelda remains one of the biggest franchises.

EDIT: Also, I'm leaving for a vacation and I won't be back for a week. Just giving a heads-up.

 

[Pieman0920]

*opens Pandora's box* It wouldn't be that awkward. Kingdom Hearts was able to pull it off pretty well.

While I have never played the KH games, aren't there a couple key differences by virtue of the fact that most Disney franchises included in that game were meant to be dramatic at times, while a good chunk of Nintendo's are not? Plus, KH had a lot of FF, and original characters to supplement the Disney characters, and as far as I've seen, has moved increasingly into creating more original characters, rather than going back to FF or Disney ones. Now unless you want them to go down the original character route, Nintendo doesn't have many serious characters that could pick up the slack like KH's FF characters. Mario, Kirby, DK, Pikachu, and Yoshi wouldn't be good at making the story more serious, Link's a perpetual mute, and thus you're left with Samus (aka the character who is defined by being constantly alone) and Fox. Outside of those original 8, Captain Falcon, Zelda, Ganondorf, Marth, Ike, and any of SF's supporting characters are the only ones I can think of that could work well with a dramatic narrative.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

While I have never played the KH games, aren't there a couple key differences by virtue of the fact that most Disney franchises included in that game were meant to be dramatic at times, while a good chunk of Nintendo's are not? Plus, KH had a lot of FF, and original characters to supplement the Disney characters, and as far as I've seen, has moved increasingly into creating more original characters, rather than going back to FF or Disney ones. Now unless you want them to go down the original character route, Nintendo doesn't have many serious characters that could pick up the slack like KH's FF characters. Mario, Kirby, DK, Pikachu, and Yoshi wouldn't be good at making the story more serious, Link's a perpetual mute, and thus you're left with Samus (aka the character who is defined by being constantly alone) and Fox. Outside of those original 8, Captain Falcon, Zelda, Ganondorf, Marth, Ike, and any of SF's supporting characters are the only ones I can think of that could work well with a dramatic narrative.

What about Sheik, Pit, Mewtwo, Roy, Lugia, Ho-Oh, most Legendaries (exluding Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Phione, Manaphy, and Shaymin), Lyndis, Saki, Isaac, Andross, Samuraih Goroh, Frank Jaeger (the Gray Fox from the MGS series; I call him Frank Jaeger to avoid confusing him with the Great Fox), and Lucario?

Also, if anybody has a moveset idea for Lyndis, Micaiah, and/or Sothe, may I see it please? And I'm only asking for a moveset for only one of the three choices and I'll only need four Specials and a Final Smash. If you want to do more than one character, then be my guest. Thank you!

And if there isn't going to be a new FE game by the time Smash 4 is released, who would most likely be the third FE rep for SSB4's playable roster?

 

[Big-Cat]

This probably isn't right, but I always thought the reason for Sakurai's neglect of the Legend of Zelda series, or his evident dislike, is because the series never really did too well in Japan. It IS a fact that Legend of Zelda was once pretty popular in Japan but has since dwindled extremely. In the West, though, Legend of Zelda remains one of the biggest franchises.

EDIT: Also, I'm leaving for a vacation and I won't be back for a week. Just giving a heads-up.

I'm sick of the Japan card being used. I doubt that the declining interest of the Zelda series in Japan has been a factor in the lack of quality Zelda fighters. You would be better off just saying that he doesn't like it all that much.

 

[RickyPro]

You know, the more I see these character Rosters that people keep creating, and all that nonsense, I think that is is all bull. Did anybody here EXPECT to see Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, Pit, R.O.B, or any of the other random characters?

I don't think so....

So why would Sakurai add characters that people are expecting? Like... what is stopping him from adding a character like Palutena? Or even a villain from Kid Icarus. Like Medusa, or Orcos?
I just think that it is stupid of people to assume that he is only going to add up to 5 more characters and they are going to be K.Rool, Black Shadow, Ridley, Krystal, and a 5th gen Pokemon.
I believe that they all have the ability to show up, but why would that be it? The game would be no fun if we all already have expectations to base it off of and get disappointed upon seeing the game to be anything that we did not want. Just stop acting like you can predict the future, because if you all predicted Game & Watch, then maybe people should listen, but seriously, you have no more insight than anybody else to those of you that ridicule wish lists for a roster and then praise generic ones. I just find it stupid is all, sorry if I ticked you off or whatever, but sue me if you think otherwise, I don't care.

 

[UberMario]

I just saw Sukapon the other day on Wikipedia and he'd be an awesome retro character. Anyone else agree?

 

[Wizzerd]

I just saw Sukapon the other day on Wikipedia and he'd be an awesome retro character. Anyone else agree with me?

Cool as Sukapon would be, I doubt that he would get in. There are just better options for retro characters like Little Mac, who has been revived, and Diskun, who is more obscure and WTFish.

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And just saying something in advance- ignore RickyPro. Don't feed the troll.

 

[Big-Cat]

Cool as Sukapon would be, I doubt that he would get in. There are just better options for retro characters like Little Mac, who has been revived, and Diskun, who is more obscure and WTFish.

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And just saying something in advance- ignore RickyPro. Don't feed the troll.

Note, that Little Mac isn't a retro character anymore so stating his former retro status is irrelevant. As for Diskun, how would he work? He's like a Mr. Saturn, but with little nubs on his sides. I see Diskun as an Assist Trophy.

Why should we ignore Ricky? He brings up a really good point: We don't know what to expect in the future. Look what happened with the Brawl roster despite our predictions.

 

[Wizzerd]

Note, that Little Mac isn't a retro character anymore so stating his former retro status is irrelevant. As for Diskun, how would he work? He's like a Mr. Saturn, but with little nubs on his sides. I see Diskun as an Assist Trophy.

Little Mac may have been revived, but he's still something of a retro character. Look at it this way: he has one recent game. That isn't really enough, but as a retro character he has more, making him more of a retro character than a recent character. (I'm not trying to discount him at all, I think he's one of the most likely candidates) Diskun can certainly function in Smash with the stubby arms by using his oversized head and doing lunges with his body. His body parts can enlarge as he attacks with them as well- this is something that already happens in the game. I'm unsure of his likelihood, but I certainly think that he can competently fight.

Why should we ignore Ricky? He brings up a really good point: We don't know what to expect in the future. Look what happened with the Brawl roster despite our predictions.

The point itself may be valid, but the way it's expressed is somewhat trollish.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

I just saw Sukapon the other day on Wikipedia and he'd be an awesome retro character. Anyone else agree?

I do. :bigthumbu His unique body movement will need a lot of work, though.

That said, I'm all for retro and lesser-known characters to show up in the next SSB. It's gratifying for me to play as a forgotten representative from a golden age, that gets to tangle with the gaming greats in a climactic, fanservice-fueled, crossover showdown for supremacy.

A crossover series where I get to play with ****** twins, bounty-hunting race car drivers and peripheral toy robots is a unique experience that I can't get anywhere else.

At any rate, correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to be the only one around here who is hoping for Star Man, from Pro Wrestling, to show up in the next one. Well, it's not like he's lacking any fighting skills. Also, not only is he one of the game's most notable characters, but his game is also a cult classic (the whole "A winner is you!" meme aside). I mean, one of the WWE wrestlers wore a shirt based on the box art!

Besides, between all the hand-to-hand combatants, martial artists, gun-wielders , swordsmen and combat pragmatists, we haven't even gotten a wrestler in the roster yet!

Nevertheless, if Star Man ever gets confirmed in the next SSB...I called it.

 

[Big-Cat]

Little Mac may have been revived, but he's still something of a retro character. Look at it this way: he has one recent game. That isn't really enough, but as a retro character he has more, making him more of a retro character than a recent character. (I'm not trying to discount him at all, I think he's one of the most likely candidates) Diskun can certainly function in Smash with the stubby arms by using his oversized head and doing lunges with his body. His body parts can enlarge as he attacks with them as well- this is something that already happens in the game. I'm unsure of his likelihood, but I certainly think that he can competently fight.

I still wouldn't consider him a retro character. Let's say that a sequel is announced in the future. That would make the ratio of retro to new 3:2. Would you still consider him retro? Did you consider Samus in the same light when Fusion and Prime were released?

Diskun still couldn't work. How would aerial combat work? What would be his specials? What are some attacks besides lunges that don't involve being within point-blank range of the opponent?

The point itself may be valid, but the way it's expressed is somewhat trollish.

It would be trollish if was saying to expect Naruto and Goku. He's simply pointing something most of us have seemed to have replace with our own visions.

I wouldn't mind seeing a grappler in SSB4. However, is Star Man the main character? I'm going to take a wild guess and say that it's probably Fighter Hayabusa.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Diskun still couldn't work. How would aerial combat work? What would be his specials? What are some attacks besides lunges that don't involve being within point-blank range of the opponent?

You bring up some valid points. However, for all we know, given Sakurai's unpredictability, he could somehow get a moveset. Attacks involving the Famicom Disc system's features probably wouldn't be out of the question, but that's just me.

 

[Wizzerd]

I still wouldn't consider him a retro character. Let's say that a sequel is announced in the future. That would make the ratio of retro to new 3:2. Would you still consider him retro? Did you consider Samus in the same light when Fusion and Prime were released?

Probably not, but it isn't an exact science... This is kind of pointless, I'll end by saying that Little Mac, whatever the hell he represents, is a very likely candidate.

Diskun still couldn't work. How would aerial combat work? What would be his specials? What are some attacks besides lunges that don't involve being within point-blank range of the opponent?

In the air, Diskun can still lunge. Imagine him doing Wario's fair but turning into it more. In the end he would probably be a close range fighter, but low range =/= automatically unable to fight. He can have good attack speed and priority, plus decent power. He could have an interesting pressure-based playstyle where he can be pressured somewhat himself. As for the specials:

B: Disk-us: Diskun throws a disk like a Frisbee as a weak projectile. Uncharged this is rather weak, only going a short distance and barely flinching, but by charging it takes a more straight trajectory, moving a further distance with more speed and having nice power.

Side B: Wires: Several short wires extend out of Diskun's side. By holding down the B button after they come out, the wires can extend out a very far distance, higher than ZSS's grab, but the wires will need to come back slowly at the end so this is punishable overextended. If the wires come in contact with an opponent, they latch onto them and drag them back to Diskun (this takes longer if the wires were extended further). Once they reach Diskun, the wires will begin to shock the opponent, dealing continuous damage until the opponent escapes by button mashing. This can be used as a tether recovery.

Up B: Spring: Diskun suddenly turns into a spring for a brief period of time. During this period jumps will take him three times the usual height, Diskun gains elevated aerial movement and a floatier fall speed, as well as automatically walljumping on contact with walls. This can potentially cover a good distance, but it requires a charge in a similar fashion to Wario Waft.

B Down: Rewind: Two video-like slots appear on Diskun's chest, and Diskun spins them around, causing the match to go back to the state is was in a second ago. This includes the exact position of the stage, damage percentages, etc. Requires a charge like the Up Special. Good for a second chance after taking a hit, though because you can't use this in midair and powerful hits will cause more than a second of hitstun this only works on lighter hits.

Final Smash: Golden Disk: Based off of the Golden Disk that could be won as prizes with the Famicom Disk System. Diskun throws a golden disk forward like in his B, but this time the disk shines and will not stop until reaching the end of the screen. Contact with the disk does massive knockback that's sure to cause a KO. This can KO multiple opponents in a line.

It would be trollish if was saying to expect Naruto and Goku. He's simply pointing something most of us have seemed to have replace with our own visions.

Fair enough...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

B Down: Rewind: Two video-like slots appear on Diskun's chest, and Diskun spins them around, causing the match to go back to the state is was in a second ago. This includes the exact position of the stage, damage percentages, etc. Requires a charge like the Up Special. Good for a second chance after taking a hit, though because you can't use this in midair and powerful hits will cause more than a second of hitstun this only works on lighter hits.

Hold up, wouldn't that make it a game-breaker move?

 

[n88]

Hold up, wouldn't that make it a game-breaker move?

Depends on charge time. A smart opponent wouldn't let you get away with it just after losing a stock.

 

[Wizzerd]

Hold up, wouldn't that make it a game-breaker move?

Seeing that it requires a long charge (I imagined around twenty seconds) and is limited to a second so it can only reverse lighter hits, no, I don't think so.

EDIT: n88, thanks for the backup. By the way, you wouldn't be able to use it to get an extra KO after gaining a KO, because it would give them the amount of stock they had at that moment, then making them lose it again, doing nothing and wasting the charge.

 

[n88]

I meant after Diskun loses a stock.

 

[Pieman0920]

I really don't think Diskun would work well because he's basically as valid of a fighter as the Super Mushroom, Triforce, or Pokeball symbols. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost certain that Diskun has never shown up in any games, or has even moved a inch in all of these years. Even ROB has shown the capacity to move, and was a playable chcaracter in MKDS before he got his role in Brawl, but Diskun has yet to be anything other than the Fanicom's logo. If you want to have logos fighting in Smash, then why not the GC logo? That thing could totally move when the system started up, and could even make monkey sounds if you held down the right button.

 

[Wizzerd]

I meant after Diskun loses a stock.

Oh. I guess he could be unable to use it for a second afterwards.

I really don't think Diskun would work well because he's basically as valid of a fighter as the Super Mushroom, Triforce, or Pokeball symbols. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm almost certain that Diskun has never shown up in any games, or has even moved a inch in all of these years. Even ROB has shown the capacity to move, and was a playable chcaracter in MKDS before he got his role in Brawl, but Diskun has yet to be anything other than the Fanicom's logo. If you want to have logos fighting in Smash, then why not the GC logo? That thing could totally move when the system started up, and could even make monkey sounds if you held down the right button.

That's a good point, but there are a lot of things in Smash Bros that the characters never actually did, like Ness, Lucas and Link jumping, ROB shooting a laser, etc. I mean, it becomes easier if the characters actually done it, but Diskun can still be given a walk that sort of suits his character. Say, he does a two-sprite animation, where he's leaning on the end of one of his legs, then the other, so he shuffles forwards slowly. As for the icon thing the icons really don't have the capacity to do much of anything, whereas Diskun has arms/legs/potatos that could conceivably be used for fighting. I have no idea if he did much of anything, but he could conceivably fight and retro/WTF characters always seem to bend the rules.

 

[Arcadenik]

I don't understand why Wizzerd wants Diskun as a playable character. My suggestion for the Duck Hunt Dog is more reasonable as a retro WTF character, at least, he does have arms and legs to fight with and is physically able to move. Something Diskun lacks and is physically incapable of doing.