[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Arcadenik]

THE PH!R3! wasn't that great that Roy didn't come back.

 

[ZiggyZiggs]

THE PH!R3! wasn't that great that Roy had butt secks with me??!

Edited and fixed.

 

[SmashChu]

About the "tragedy" stuff, it's a bad idea. Smash, for one, is not a game driven by story (the first games did well without a story). The Subspace Emissary wasn't "hyped" because it was a story. It was hyped because it expanded on Melee's adventure mode.

Any addition needs to focus on making the gameplay better and the levels better. Not making the story better.

 

[Arcadenik]

That doesn't offend me at all and Roy's PH!RE still isn't that great.

 

[Big-Cat]

Comments in bold, because I'm feeling pretty bold.

What's wrong with DLC? If done right, it would be a welcoming addition. Of course, I don't want characters to be DLC as this would require everyone to pay for that character. I think we're best off with alternate costumes and models.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

ssb4 should be based around the competitive players than the players seeking "fun" o.o

who needs fun. i sure as hell dont o.o

The majority of people who play video games.

 

[Clownbot]

What's wrong with DLC? If done right, it would be a welcoming addition. Of course, I don't want characters to be DLC as this would require everyone to pay for that character. I think we're best off with alternate costumes and models.

I suppose I wouldn't mind miscellaneous things as DLC, but characters and stages should most definitely not be downloadable.

Spoiler

Yay, I've officially become a member of the SSB4 Group by means of wh0rism.

 

[Fatmanonice]

I don't see what's the obsession with giving Ganondorf a sword. Is giving Ganondorf a sword really going to change him? For all we know, he could still be a clone with a sword just like how Ganondorf still was a clone with a sword in the hacked Melee. Its clear Sakurai doesn't care about that crap... giving Ganondorf a sword isn't going to change him. Look!

B: Ganondorf charges his sword and stabs forward hard... like the Falcon Punch, but with a sword!

Side B: Ganondorf swings his sword and slashes upward... like the Raptor Boost, but with a sword!

Up B: Ganondorf leaps into the air and stabs the opponent with his sword and electroshocks them with it... like the Falcon Dive, but with a sword!

Down B: Ganondorf thrusts his sword downward and stabs on his way down... like the Falcon Kick, but with a sword!

I agree. I think they should focus more on his magic then using a sword. We already have a strong, slow sword user with a crappy recovery... his name is Ike. I would suggest combining his sword and magic but, truthfully, I'd rather have the developers save that for the likes of Isaac since they haven't attempted to make him a playable character yet.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

Ganondorf+Sword would fit more AS YOU DUN SEE GANONDORK FISTY CUFFING IN LoZ. Would you like Squrtle with Fire blast? Or Mario with Razor leaf? Probably. But it makes little sense.
In lttp, we had Ganon with a trident and magic. Thats the only time we get a different weapon that wasn't sword or magic. I sure as hell know that he doesn't use fists. A sword slower but bigger than Ike's would work fine (Dedede-esque attacks). Some cloned Zelda Magic comes to mind. What i want too see is a overpowered character who leaves himself open alot, but can still be hella useful with spacing.
SOME NON-CANON CREATIVITY is what we're stuck with.

 

[Neckbeard Torterra]

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B: Ganondorf [charges] his sword WITH MAGIC and stabs forward hard with shadow energy sh*tting out of it... like BIG PUNCH, but with a sword! (Not like shield braker because you cant store the charge)

Side B: Ganondorf shoots little blasts of shadow energy from his other hand. (this is his simi short range projectile that'll paralyse to make up for slow speed)

Up B: Ganondorf leaps into the air and stabs the opponent with his sword and brings them down with a boom. OMG ITS RLY LIEK A FINAL CUTTER!

Down B: This may sound weird, but a flamethrower of dark energy would look cool for this

 

[Fatmanonice]

Takamaru? In my Smash Bros?

As cool as Takamaru would be, Little Mac or Diskun seem more likely as retro characters, and I doubt that Sakurai has the skill to make Takamaru much more than a Marth clone...

I doubt it because Takamaru has more to work with then just his sword. He has throwing stars, explosives (both for offensive and defensive purposes), and even has the ability to control fire, wind, and lightening.

Regarding Takamaru, Sakurai said that his inclusion would be based on how well his GBA remake did. Out of the 25 games in the Famicom Mini series, Nazo No Murasamejo sold 23rd overall but still beat out Metroid and Kid Icarus. Sakurai said that Pit's inclusion was based on his sales of the GBA game which got 25th out of 25 (ie; dead last) in sales. Nazo No Murasamejo sold only about three thousand more copies than Kid Icarus (52,000 to 49,000) but if Sakurai was impressed with Kid Icarus getting last place...

 

[Zario777]

Here is a very cruddy stick figure picture I made for Falco's new DSmash (no its not actually gonna be 4 frames)

He lifts his wings above his head and slams them down to the side of him. Longer range than his current DSmash.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Quite frankly, I don't think Falco needs to change. Because he and Fox studied at the same military academy, it's expected that they fight in a similar fashion. I think Brawl did a good job of expanding the number of differences between them.

 

[Zario777]

I'm just sayin, that looks like it'd be a good move for Falco. Breaks out his inner bird u no?

 

[Arcadenik]

While I doubt Ganondorf would be completely decloned in SSB4, it would be nice if he was different. Honestly, I would rather have Ganon than Ganondorf but he's too big to be resized. So he's not happening. At least he would have used the trident. Ganondorf with a sword isn't very interesting. We already have many sword users. What would make him stand out from the other sword users?

Marth is a sword user with no projectile moves and is very light and fast.

Link is a sword user with lots of projectiles moves and is a bit heavier and slower than Marth.

Toon Link is the same way like Link, only a lot lighter and faster.

Meta Knight is a sword user who can jump multiple times and glide and is very fast and light compared to Marth.

Ike is a sword user who is very slow, heavy, and strong, and no projectiles.

Pit is a sword user who uses his bow as a bo stick and as two small swords, and can jump multiple times, glide and fly, and shoot projectiles from his bow.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

While I doubt Ganondorf would be completely decloned in SSB4, it would be nice if he was different. Honestly, I would rather have Ganon than Ganondorf but he's too big to be resized. So he's not happening. At least he would have used the trident. Ganondorf with a sword isn't very interesting. We already have many sword users. What would make him stand out from the other sword users?

Marth is a sword user with no projectile moves and is very light and fast.

Link is a sword user with lots of projectiles moves and is a bit heavier and slower than Marth.

Toon Link is the same way like Link, only a lot lighter and faster.

Meta Knight is a sword user who can jump multiple times and glide and is very fast and light compared to Marth.

Ike is a sword user who is very slow, heavy, and strong, and no projectiles.

Pit is a sword user who uses his bow as a bo stick and as two small swords, and can jump multiple times, glide and fly, and shoot projectiles from his bow.

Personally, I also would find it neat if he used his trident. Maybe if he uses it in the next Zelda game (while in his gerudo form), it'll make it in the next Smash, so who knows?

Also, he should use a bit of magic. Not much, but still enough to make him stand apart a little more. His current side B move is not a bad start, though.

 

[Starphoenix]

Personally, I also would find it neat if he used his trident. Maybe if he uses it in the next Zelda game (while in his gerudo form), it'll make it in the next Smash, so who knows?

Also, he should use a bit of magic. Not much, but still enough to make him stand apart a little more. His current side B move is not a bad start, though.

Just give him his stinking energy ball attack already!!! I mean that is the one attack I really want to see as a special, especially since that attack has appeared in almost every LoZ game so far. I would love to see Link and Gannondorf, punching and slashing that ball back and forth only for Kirby to accidentally drop in and be sent flying...

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Just give him his stinking energy ball attack already!!! I mean that is the one attack I really want to see as a special, especially since that attack has appeared in almost every LoZ game so far. I would love to see Link and Gannondorf, punching and slashing that ball back and forth only for Kirby to accidentally drop in and be sent flying...

You know I thought of a way that this could be integrated into his neutral B attack, without disrupting the moveset too much.

See, only pushing the button once would have Gannondorf do the usual Warlock Punch. However, if you hold it longer, he'll gather up some energy. When you release it, he launches an energy ball at the height of his Warlock Punch! The longer you hold the button, the more powerful the attack gets.

Basically, it's like Samus' Charge Shot...only with punching! :hipsmile: The catch is that you have to hold the B button while he's performing his punch, otherwise you won't be able to shoot an energy ball.

However, unlike the other energy projectiles, energy balls could be reflected if you use a weapon.

What do you think?

 

[UberMario]

No proof? His name was a clue.

"Samurai" is obviously a nickname. Just like "Fireball" Roberts wasn't a fireball or named fireball, and "Captain" Falcon doesn't mean he's a captain or named captain.

 

[Meorksies]

On the Ganondorf subject, I would like to see him use his sword in battle, but only for a handful of moves. Don't turn him into a sword-based character, but have him use it altogether. An example would be his D-smash could be changed to him swinging it low in front of himself, then thrusting it behind him, pointed down, dark energy bursting out of the tip. Would have roughly the same properties of his current D-smash, but different and, in my opinion, more fitting animation.

I also want to see his energy ball attack as well. In fact, I want to see his moveset revamped to be more magic-based. As he started a Falcon clone, he has too many attacks that are just punches and kicks to really be a dark wizard, even if most of them do engulf the victim in purple fire. I honestly don't have too many ideas for a new magic-based moveset, but for his energy ball:
Neutral B: Pressing the button will have Ganondorf hold his hand over his head, energy froming over his flattened palm, and swing his arm down in front of himself, shooting the energy forward. Holding the button will enlarge the energy, making the blast more powerful and eventually having Ganondorf hold it with both hands. At full charge, he pulls the energy towards himself and bursts it out, energy balls shooting in all directions.

The last thing I would like changed from Brawl Ganondorf is his voice. I know it's the voice of the current era's Ganondorf, but the Melee era Ganondorf's voice was powerful, full of authority, and even ferocious. Brawl Ganondorf sounds like a demented old man. Which I guess is what he is, but still, you could make him sound a little more intimidating.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

"Samurai" is obviously a nickname. Just like "Fireball" Roberts wasn't a fireball or named fireball, and "Captain" Falcon doesn't mean he's a captain or named captain.

Yeah, except for the fact that he's using a sword...

 

[drag0nscythe]

Since you fellows are mentioning the possibility of a future SSE (or whatever name there will be for the next adventure mode), I was thinking that the next one should exploit the "crossover" aspect of the story a lot more.

Basically? I want to tangle with the Pig Mask Army, while using Solid Snake (or a Metal Slug character)! I want to see an epic Fist of the North Star-esque fist fight between Captain Falcon and Mach Rider, while they are standing on their respective vehicules! I want to see Star Fox, Kirby, Saki Amamiya and other characters unite to destroy Misago (an Ikaruga boss)! I want to see a power struggle between Bowser and K. Rool's respective forces!

Those are some examples of scenarios that could be exploited using the crossover aspect. But that's not all. I also want to see more locations from different games! The Mushroom Kingdom! Kongo Jungle! Crocodile Isle and the K. Kruiser (or Flying Kroc)! Hyrule! Zebes! Pop Star! Onett! F-Zero race tracks! Luigi's Mansion! Kitchen Island! Shadow Moses Island! Angel Island! Edo! Santa Destroy! Dracula's Castle! Heck, even the Video Wrestling Federation arena!

Granted, not all of this could be immediately realisable. But hey, one can dream, right? However, if there is one thing that we should let Sakurai know, it's this: We want a more fulfilling adventure mode!

Some of those sound interesting. I do agree that we need to see more nintendo enemies and worlds instead of the bland ones we got in brawl.

Read my idea. So far I do have something like that. I have all the dark missions set up and I have about half of the extra. The light are not done yet because I have not really made it that far and I am adding one other character to round out 50 character slots.

I am debating Tingle. (I HATE HIM!!!) or Vaati.

I don't see what's the obsession with giving Ganondorf a sword. Is giving Ganondorf a sword really going to change him? For all we know, he could still be a clone with a sword just like how Ganondorf still was a clone with a sword in the hacked Melee. Its clear Sakurai doesn't care about that crap... giving Ganondorf a sword isn't going to change him. Look!

B: Ganondorf charges his sword and stabs forward hard... like the Falcon Punch, but with a sword!

Side B: Ganondorf swings his sword and slashes upward... like the Raptor Boost, but with a sword!

Up B: Ganondorf leaps into the air and stabs the opponent with his sword and electroshocks them with it... like the Falcon Dive, but with a sword!

Down B: Ganondorf thrusts his sword downward and stabs on his way down... like the Falcon Kick, but with a sword!

OR.

Ganondrof with out sword:
B: Ganon Punch - Same as Brawl
Up B: Ganon Dive - Same as Brawl
Forward B: Ganon Rush - Same as Brawl
Down B: Pull out sword

Ganondorf with sword
B: Ganon throw magic ball of death - can be bounced to gain strength
Up B: Super rising slash
Forward B: Ganon Kick while surfing on giant sword he used in melee
Down B: Put sword away.

Then all Ganon fans are happy and he gets a unique moveset.

 

[UberMario]

Yeah, except for the fact that he's using a sword...

Did he BEFORE Brawl?

 

[Wizzerd]

I am debating Tingle. (I HATE HIM!!!) or Vaati.

Tingle is the only character besides Link to be playable in Zelda games, and is ridiculously popular in Japan: you know, where popularity actually matters. It would hardly be a problem that certain Westerners (irrationally) hate him when they should already be orgasming over Ridley/K.Rool/what-have-you and he can make for a nice punching bag. Somebody who thinks a game sucks because of one character they dislike has some serious problems.

Vaati's games are among the worst-selling in the series. He hasn't appeared since early 2005 and Nintendo has shown no intention of bringing him back, even chancing a ridiculously strange villian (Bellum) in PH over him.

Spoiler

He isn't even the main antagonist to FSA...

Also remember that Smash is for Nintendo's all-stars, and only particularly iconic and popular villians like Bowser, K.Rool (I AM NOT TRYING TO START A DEBATE) and Ridley. Zelda already has an antagonist in the roster anyways.

It should be pretty obvious who the right choice is.

 

[Arcadenik]

Did he BEFORE Brawl?

Look at Samurai Goroh's trophy in Melee. You can see that he has a sword. The trophy even mentions his sword. So, its not a stretch to see him using it. That's why he worked so well as an Assist Trophy.

 

[Big-Cat]

Ganondrof with out sword:
B: Ganon Punch - Same as Brawl
Up B: Ganon Dive - Same as Brawl
Forward B: Ganon Rush - Same as Brawl
Down B: Pull out sword

Ganondorf with sword
B: Ganon throw magic ball of death - can be bounced to gain strength
Up B: Super rising slash
Forward B: Ganon Kick while surfing on giant sword he used in melee
Down B: Put sword away.

Then all Ganon fans are happy and he gets a unique moveset.

This reminds me heavily of Gen, but without the confusion. In your idea, does Sword Ganondorf have his own set of A attacks.

 

[drag0nscythe]

Tingle is the only character besides Link to be playable in Zelda games, and is ridiculously popular in Japan: you know, where popularity actually matters. It would hardly be a problem that certain Westerners (irrationally) hate him when they should already be orgasming over Ridley/K.Rool/what-have-you and he can make for a nice punching bag. Somebody who thinks a game sucks because of one character they dislike has some serious problems.

Vaati's games are among the worst-selling in the series. He hasn't appeared since early 2005 and Nintendo has shown no intention of bringing him back, even chancing a ridiculously strange villian (Bellum) in PH over him.

Spoiler

He isn't even the main antagonist to FSA...

Also remember that Smash is for Nintendo's all-stars, and only particularly iconic and popular villians like Bowser, K.Rool (I AM NOT TRYING TO START A DEBATE) and Ridley. Zelda already has an antagonist in the roster anyways.

It should be pretty obvious who the right choice is.

Vaati it is.
I hate the "Japan only matters" argument and if Tingle's only reason is for "Japan only matters" Then I will support the hand in the toilet over him.

Japan is not the only country that matters and Sakurai said it himself.

This reminds me heavily of Gen, but without the confusion. In your idea, does Sword Ganondorf have his own set of A attacks.

Yes. Since I think his giant sword would make him a more original sword user, he would use it. I picture his moves being similar to Nightmare and Sigfried from SC, but with a more smash feel and tone to them.

 

[n88]

If the only support for Vaati is that you hate Tingle, then why should Vaati be in?

EDIT: Also, the entire second paragraph of the post you quoted gives reasons that Vaati shouldn't get in aside from the Japan card.

 

[Wizzerd]

Vaati it is.
I hate the "Japan only matters" argument and if Tingle's only reason is for "Japan only matters" Then I will support the hand in the toilet over him.

Japan is not the only country that matters and Sakurai said it himself.

I may have been embellishing it by saying that Japan only matters but it's pretty clear that Japan is where popularity matters the most. How else would we have gotten so many Japan-exclusive characters? Fire Emblem got two reps in Melee despite being mostly being a Japanese series, Jigglypuff exists, etc. Japan is not the only place that matters, but it is clearly the place that matters the most. Don't give me the "Tingle wasn't in Twilight Princess" crap, the fact that Tingle was created and stayed in the mainstream Zelda games so long before becoming a Japan/Europe-exclusive protagonist when America clearly dislikes him speaks volumes about what places matter. Mainstream Zelda has never sold as well as it could have in Japan (Smash does), so it wasn't a huge loss anyways.

Don't put words into my mouth. I never said that "Japan only matters" is my only reasoning.

• Tingle is the only character besides Link to have ever had his own game in the Zelda series.
• Moveset potential.
• The development team for Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland expressed an interest in having Tingle in Brawl (though ultimately they never approached Sakurai about it).
• Due to a new Tingle game coming out, Color-Changing Tingle's Love Balloon Trip, Tingle will be recent by SSB4.
• Tingle has absolutely zero competition. Vaati is pretty much dead as a character and all other characters are one-shots like Agahnim, King of Red Lions, etc. I know you love your whole cameo thing but none of the above popular characters ever cameod and a cameo hardly makes a character more important.
• Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, which I have played, is a completely epic game. It's a shame people judge it automatically because Tingle is in it.

If the only support for Vaati is that you hate Tingle, then why should Vaati be in?

EDIT: Also, the entire second paragraph of the post you quoted gives reasons that Vaati shouldn't get in aside from the Japan card.

<3 ya, n88.

 

[n88]

Wizzerd, you're right, but again with the cameos. Midna hasn't cameod because she hasn't had a chance to cameo. The King of Red Lions and Aganhim have, though. THey were definitely one-shots.

 

[Big-Cat]

Yes. Since I think his giant sword would make him a more original sword user, he would use it. I picture his moves being similar to Nightmare and Sigfried from SC, but with a more smash feel and tone to them.

With this idea, a lot of people can be satisfied. The old Ganondorf mains can keep their old moveset, Ganondorf has access to an alternate, unique moveset, and the roster is balanced.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Some of those sound interesting. I do agree that we need to see more nintendo enemies and worlds instead of the bland ones we got in brawl.

Read my idea. So far I do have something like that. I have all the dark missions set up and I have about half of the extra. The light are not done yet because I have not really made it that far and I am adding one other character to round out 50 character slots.

I'm glad to see that you found some of my ideas interesting. On which page is that concept of yours, anyway?

For the record, here are some other hypothetical scenarios I thought up:

- Wario is a villain like last time, until Captain Syrup double-crosses him and takes over his position.

- Star Man mistakes King Dedede for a villain and fights him on the Mt. Dedede fighting arena.

- Some of the new main generals of the villain army include Black Shadow, King K. Rool and Dr. Robotnik (with the latter remaining hidden in the shadows ala Giovanni until Sonic appears in the story).

- The near-climax of the story has the united heroes (and former villains) facing off with the 4 most powerful and terrifying entities in the gaming universe (e.g. Giygas, Nightmare) before fighting the Supreme Leader (Taboo or someone higher than him, if possible).

Also, the cinema scenes could have some "press-the-button" sequences, whose controls depend on which controller you're using. For example, Travis Touchdown and Link clash their swords until they are locked. At that point, you use the Wiimote to push the sword towards the direction of your opponent, as an homage to No More Heroes (depending on which of the 2 characters you're controlling).

I'll bring up some more thoughts later.

 

[Arcadenik]

Japan is not the only region that matters. Japan just matters more than the rest of the world.

 

[n88]

With this idea, a lot of people can be satisfied. The old Ganondorf mains can keep their old moveset, Ganondorf has access to an alternate, unique moveset, and the roster is balanced.

I'm assuming that you're talking about giving G-dorf a Down-B that pulls out his sword. I know I've seen some support from drag0nscythe for this, and it's not a bad idea. The only trouble with it is that it takes away swordless G-dorf's closest thing to an approach.

He would have to have one or two decent sword approaches. This goes against his defensive playstyle, though. Perhaps the sword set could be more offense-focused.

 

[drag0nscythe]

If the only support for Vaati is that you hate Tingle, then why should Vaati be in?

EDIT: Also, the entire second paragraph of the post you quoted gives reasons that Vaati shouldn't get in aside from the Japan card.

Well, I was making a point in that post. I know vaati has alot of popularity, but that is really it.

I may have been embellishing it by saying that Japan only matters but it's pretty clear that Japan is where popularity matters the most. How else would we have gotten so many Japan-exclusive characters? Fire Emblem got two reps in Melee despite being mostly being a Japanese series, Jigglypuff exists, etc. Japan is not the only place that matters, but it is clearly the place that matters the most. Don't give me the "Tingle wasn't in Twilight Princess" crap, the fact that Tingle was created and stayed in the mainstream Zelda games so long before becoming a Japan/Europe-exclusive protagonist when America clearly dislikes him speaks volumes about what places matter. Mainstream Zelda has never sold as well as it could have in Japan (Smash does), so it wasn't a huge loss anyways.

Thing is, Jiggs was popular in the US also when SSB was out. As for Roy and Marth, Sakurai was going to cut them from Melee, but testers liked the sword using characters. Japan is not the only county that matters and it is not "The only country where popularity matters." If that is the case, Ridley is a no go. Don't use that argument. Include the world.

Say that Tingle has almost 2/3's of the world liking him. Parts of Europe cannot stand him, yet they received his game. Given 2/3's like him, he has a better chance then others.

Don't put words into my mouth. I never said that "Japan only matters" is my only reasoning.

• Tingle is the only character besides Link to have ever had his own game in the Zelda series.

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  Fine. It is a reasonable point. It does not make him a must though.
  
  

  [*]Moveset potential.

  Everyone has it. Can't use this argument.
  
  

  [*]The development team for Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland expressed an interest in having Tingle in Brawl (though ultimately they never approached Sakurai about it).

  Have a link for this? I would like to read it.
  
  

  [*]Due to a new Tingle game coming out, Color-Changing Tingle's Love Balloon Trip, Tingle will be recent by SSB4.

  Again, a valid point.
  
  

  [*]Tingle has absolutely zero competition. Vaati is pretty much dead as a character and all other characters are one-shots like Wolf Link/Midna, Agahnim, King of Red Lions, etc. I know you love your whole cameo thing but none of the above popular characters ever cameod and a cameo hardly makes a character more important.

  Give it time. Like n88_2004 said.
  
  

  Wizzerd, you're right but again with the cameos. Midna hasn't cameod because she hasn't had a chance to cameo.

  Give her a chance. As for the others, I do not think their popularity made it to the heights that Midna had.
  
  

  [*]Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland, which I have played, is a completely epic game. It's a shame people judge it automatically because Tingle is in it.

I hate Tingle.

With this idea, a lot of people can be satisfied. The old Ganondorf mains can keep their old moveset, Ganondorf has access to an alternate, unique moveset, and the roster is balanced.

Thanks. I always liked the idea mainly because I like how Ganondorf plays in Brawl.

I'm assuming that you're talking about giving G-dorf a Down-B that pulls out his sword. I know I've seen some support from drag0nscythe for this, and it's not a bad idea. The only trouble with it is that it takes away swordless G-dorf's closest thing to an approach.

He would have to have one or two decent sword approaches. This goes against his defensive playstyle, though. Perhaps the sword set could be more offense-focused.

I have no clue what you are talking about. I do not play competitively really.

 

[Arcadenik]

Just exactly how would Ganondorf possessing a sword "balance the roster"?

 

[n88]

@drag0nscythe

Umm... That last quote was posted by WIzzerd, not by me. Just saying.

 

[drag0nscythe]

I'm glad to see that you found some of my ideas interesting. On which page is that concept of yours, anyway?

For the record, here are some other hypothetical scenarios I thought up:

- Wario is a villain like last time, until Captain Syrup double-crosses him and takes over his position.

- Star Man mistakes King Dedede for a villain and fights him on the Mt. Dedede fighting arena.

- Some of the new main generals of the villain army include Black Shadow, King K. Rool and Dr. Robotnik (with the latter remaining hidden in the shadows ala Giovanni until Sonic appears in the story).

- The near-climax of the story has the united heroes (and former villains) facing off with the 4 most powerful and terrifying entities in the gaming universe (e.g. Giygas, Nightmare) before fighting the Supreme Leader (Taboo or someone higher than him, if possible).

Also, the cinema scenes could have some "press-the-button" sequences, whose controls depend on which controller you're using. For example, Travis Touchdown and Link clash their swords until they are locked. At that point, you use the Wiimote to push the sword towards the direction of your opponent, as an homage to No More Heroes (depending on which of the 2 characters you're controlling).

I'll bring up some more thoughts later.

drag0nscythe.deviantart.com
It is the featured item. Smash bros Fisticuffs.

Also, I like the cinema scene selector. That is rather cool.
While your ideas are not compatible with my story idea, I do like what you have going. You should develop this into a story and post it.

I would like to see it.

@drag0nscythe

Umm... That last quote was posted by WIzzerd, not by me. Just saying.

I see it. Than ks. I will fix it.

 

[Wizzerd]

Well, I was making a point in that post. I know vaati has alot of popularity, but that is really it.

Vaati? Popularity?

lol good joke

Thing is, Jiggs was popular in the US also when SSB was out. As for Roy and Marth, Sakurai was going to cut them from Melee, but testers liked the sword using characters. Japan is not the only county that matters and it is not "The only country where popularity matters." If that is the case, Ridley is a no go. Don't use that argument. Include the world.

Mewtwo was a hell of a lot more popular but look. I don't know where you get this thing about Fire Emblem. And epic facepalm about your last comment. I never said that Japan is the only place that matters. I said that it matters the most. Ridley isn't hated in Japan to the extent that Tingle is in America (though if some would enjoy a character, those who don't shouldn't really matter.

Say that Tingle has almost 2/3's of the world liking him. Parts of Europe cannot stand him, yet they received his game. Given 2/3's like him, he has a better chance then others.

I find it funny that you're accusing me of only caring about a small area. I mean, 2/3 of the world likes him. You said it yourself, and apparently you're infallible...

Fine. It is a reasonable point. It does not make him a must though.

I never said it did. He has other reasons that make him very reasonable: similar to Geno, the reasons mean little on their own, but put together we have a great option/a horrible option.

Everyone has it. Can't use this argument.

Yes, everybody has it, but in Sakurai's twisted little world there are plenty of characters who are incapable of fighting.

Have a link for this? I would like to read it.

http://ms.nintendo-europe.com/tingle/enGB/index.html
Click on the interview area and scroll down.

Again, a valid point.

The hell it is.

Give it time. Like n88_2004 said.

Yeah, so because I made a mistake by mentioning Midna and Wolf Link my argument is invalid? You still need to account for Agahnim and the King of Red Lions and other one-shots.

Give her a chance. As for the others, I do not think their popularity made it to the heights that Midna had.

Got a source on Midna's alleged superior popularity? Besides, Sheik, y'know, the one-shot of the most iconic and popular Zelda, never appeared in a Zelda game again. (She appeared in Smash because her game was ridiculously popular and was actually recent, whereas TP will not be by SSB4). Why should Midna or Wolf Link? Your whole argument is based on something that there is no evidence of happening, has never happened before and would effectively do nothing if it did. You're assuming everything.

I hate Tingle.

So I've heard. Played Rosy Rupeeland recently?

 

[Arcadenik]

I think some people want Midna just because they find her hot. She seems a bit furry even though she is not actually a furry. If we want a hot furry in SSB4, go with Krystal. At least she's recurring and important in more than one game.