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I agree. Paper Mario has his own, popular series with three games he stars in, and he's far more different then any other "second version" of a character (Young Link, Dr. Mario, Toon Link, although canonically all the versions of Link are different characters).
But tell me honestly. Look at Sakurai. Tell me with a straight face that Sakurai would make paper mario original?
I honestly think Sakurai's learned his lesson with illogically cloning unrelated characters. He was hated on quite a bit for making Ganondorf a clone of Captain Falcon (though, in his defense, he had enough time at the end of Melee development to put in one original character or six clones, and he believed people would appreciate more characters), especially since Ganondorf had so much to draw from. He was also despised for cloning Toon Link, and Toon Link actually used arrows and bombs. Imagine how much people would hate him for cloning a character who has never used the moves of his counterpart!
Have you played a Paper Mario game? They are vastly different from the mainstream Mario games, and it's hard to think of Mario being Paper Mario.
I would rather see Paper Mario, though I have to agree that Bowser Jr. is a bit more likely to be put in... but they are both quite deserving and both need in.
☆ Bowser Jr hasn't used Shadow Mario in a while, and the last Mario game Shadow Mario came from was in Mario Golf Toadstool Tour. ☆
I agree. Shadow Mario is kind of insignificant and Super Mario Sunshine wasn't very popular, though it's underrated in my opinion.
B-But, Paper Mario can transform, too! He can turn into a paper airplane to glide... maybe a sailboat... even a fruit roll-up! That'd certainly make him unique.
(Though, as drag0nscythe already noted, you cannot tell me Sakurai would actually make him original... rather, make him properly.)
This is one of the things that makes me question whether Sakurai should return. Sure, he came up with all the concepts that make Smash what it is, but he is not really using those concepts to their full potential. There's also the whole character thing. Seriously, Toon Zelda and Toon Sheik were planned? Toon Sheik doesn't even exist unless that referred to Tetra.
Actually, Shadow Mario was in Super Mario Galaxy. Although, no one knows if that was Bowser Jr.
☆ That was Cosmic Mario, not Shadow Mario, although he is similar in a way. =P ☆
I never understood why people hated the inclusion of Toon Link (and did this apply with Melee's Young Link? The general hatred of Melee's characters make it hard to say if people hated Young Link specifically, or the idea of clones).
Well... hmm. That really is a tough one.
I think the default Link has been the older one because, going back to the older games, before OoT, Link was older. Going by the art for the older games, he was much closer to Adult Link than Young Link, so that's the image of him that's stuck as the default. And probably for as long as they keep making Smash games, older Link will be the default.
Last sentence proves my point though.
I played Super Paper Mario, and that is about it. Never did get the other ones. Missed them.
This is up to debate honestly. I didn't want Toon Link. I get annoyed when characters that share a name are put into a game (transformations are okay. It is only one character slot) While they have the potential to not be clones, something about seeing the name of a character already in there mentally biases an opinion. While it does not matter, I can see many jokes coming out from magazines if Paper mario is playable.
True. True.
You were so mean.EDIT: I was kind of a d*ck in this post. Sorry.
I like that "Pressure" idea, and several of us have said that a grapple grab would make sense for Mewtwo.Mewtwo improvements for SSB4 (Tell me what you think)
-Grapple
If Mewtwo can use a grab that worked like a grappling hook with out the hook and tether then it would show some credibility to his "Psychic" powers, allowing a "Force choke hold" that would bring the enemy close then a throw.
-Pressure
In the Pokemon series, Pressure accelerates the PP counter of the enemy making the enemy's attacks run out of power quicker.
Theres this mechanic in Brawl & SSB1 that weakens the blow of each attack everytime you use it. This encourages fighters to use different moves. Lucario has an Aura ability. But if Mewtwo's Pressure ability came into play in a Smash game; Then every hit done to Mewtwo will accelerate the "degrade counter" forcing players to constantly use different moves.
IE;
It takes 4 to 5 22% F-smashes to degrade to 15%.
When hitting Mewtwo it would take 1 to 2 F-smashes to reduce 22% to 15%.
Note that Knockback is also degraded.
OKAY... I LOVE the barrier idea! Mewtwo with a great recovery and a SHINE?!?!?! That would be so good I'd abuse it.
Yup. He's got to be the strongest playable pokemon, so you'd have to beef him up to put him above Charizard.Certainly some interesting things there, Neckbeard Torterra. Wouldn't've thought of giving Mewtwo a kind of grappling hook effect. He's certainly more than capable of doing it. (That was one of the attributes I was hoping he kept, some kind of telekinetic extended grab.
That Pressure ability is AWESOME. Mewtwo could seriously use that. If he were to utilize the same (or slightly boosted) stats from Melee, that ability would be a godsend in battle. Forcing your opponent to use other moves as their Pressure wears off is genius, and unique to him only.
Barrier... That was something I was also hoping he had. I shielded for the first time as Mewtwo in Melee and )': when I saw he didn't have his blue psychic force field from the 1st Pokemon movie. Though it does sound a tad off... certainly better than Disable or Confusion.
And, of course, having him beefed wouldn't hurt at all, either.
Mewtwo and Cut Company for Super Smash Bros. 4.
An added side of Deoxys, Darkrai, Rosalina, Adeleine and some others wouldn't hurt, either.
He was going to be back in Brawl. Time constraints.
Does Paper Mario need to be his own? Yoshi I understand since he has enough games to rep himself, Donkey Kong and Wario to. And Since Paper Mario always use a Special Hammers, Special Jumps, and Super Moves to defeat his enemies, he won't be a clone of Mario in Smash if his games only come from his Platformer games. 
paper mario has enough games too. 3 is good while other characters have less such as pit and ice climbers. And if you want a character thats new well toon link only has 2 games going on 3. so more then likely he'll get a spot.Also sakurai was creative enough to give jiggily puff its own move set same with rob and ice climbers they can do the same for paper mario
I was just acknowledging that you had a point, not renouncing my opinion.
Go play 1 and 2 now, because they rock and they will show you how different the Paper Mario series is different from the Mario series.
I doubt that people would react like that. There wasn't a big adverse reaction to Dr. Mario, Young Link or Toon Link.
We don't want him burning up, do we?
I'm sorry.You were so mean.
Yes. Olimar had two games going into Brawl, and many other characters in Brawl have smaller roles. You have to account for how important the characters are- Paper Mario is the protagonist of three games in a well-selling series. Paper Mario may not have a high amount of games, but he's well-known and his games sold well. What matters is not so much the amount of games but significance.
Given this logic, I can assume that you'd also agree to Toon Link branching into a rep-column of his own? It's no different to Mr. Paper's case, really. Toon Link's got a couple games out (Four Swords [GCN], Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, upcoming Spirit Tracks), and can probably pull off a few unique characters under his name (Toon Zelda/Tetra, maybe Toon Ganny, Vaati). Whether Sakurai wants to clonify them (which he very well might do) is up to him. They can always be made different, what with Toon Ganny carrying two blades and Tetra being so vastly different from Sheik in terms of personality and style.
The "Toon" subseries isn't quite big enough for that right now (and technically the Four Swords games aren't part of it, since Toon Link uses the Wind Waker for a taunt), and neither is the Paper Mario series. However, both series could potentially grow, and if so, there's nothing wrong with Toon Zelda or Paper Luigi. But as of now, the Toon and Paper Mario series aren't big enough, and Tingle is a better option then Toon Zelda anyway.
Lip deserves it as a full playable character to represent Nintendo's puzzle series, and Lip's Stick can remain. Samus uses Screw Attack, and Screw Attack is an item. Whether things make sense has never been an issue in Smash.
I hear a lot of talk about Lip.
)The simple fact that she was mentioned in Smash without actually being in it since Melee, from the debut of the Lip's Stick to her theme song on PictoChat. Keep in mind that there aren't many Nintendo puzzle games out there led by a specific character. Lip actually had an adventure in Panel de Pon. Even as a puzzler, it had a plot. Of course, Tetris is a more popular puzzler, but no characters represent that game.
Lip indeed would make a nice addition to the roster. But not being mean, but she hardly will make it in.
You're awesome. Thanks.
