Official Snake Q&A Area

[KuroganeHammer]

If you press up during Zelda's forward smash, it gets you out of it. :/

lol.

Edit: I'm always holding up. I have god tier DI and SDI imho. Unfortunately that doesn't make me good at the basics, so while I outlive pretty much everyone that doesn't mean I'm actually doing much else. lol

 

[Necrotic]

i always hold up left on my analong stick and tap up right on my cstick for some ungodly reason.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

I usually DI up and towards the stage unless I know whatever will hit me won't kill me then I actually think about it. Also about Zelda's f-smash, is it as easy to get out of as Pikachu's? O-o

 

[KuroganeHammer]

If you mean Pikachu's d-smash, it's easier.

 

[Attila_]

i di almost everything up. aim for the corner at death percents, unless i think i can sdi out.

am slowly learning to di away when safe at low percents, since it makes juggles much shorter.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Yeah sry about that i'm tired and didn't really think about what
I was saying lol.
Also snap o-o I'll have to remember that.

 

[Necrotic]

What's the best method of setting up a grenade stage spike on final destination. I wave bounced a grenade while an Ike (@76%) was using his side special to recover next thing I know that grenade Blew up and he got stage spiked. Also I cook grenades and do the light side toss so they go under the opponent...I didn't know if there was a preferred method of doing this since I just discovered this yesterday.

 

[ViperGold42]

I don't know if its me, but I believe I might have found a new tactic in DACUSing, I could be wrong but I don't want to look stupid if this has already been talked about and discovered.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I am intrigued. Care to share?

 

[ViperGold42]

I am intrigued. Care to share?

to be honest Boss, I'm not even sure if I originally found it. can you name all the DACUS controle schemes? If you name the one I'm talking about I will point it out but if not I will place it here.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I use attack on Z for DACUS, though some people use grab.

Is there another one?

 

[Attila_]

I remember when I first started, I just used the cstick (hit down and up quickly).

 

[ViperGold42]

I use attack on Z for DACUS, though some people use grab.

Is there another one?

well Boss I don't want to sound like I'm a idiot and having someone come quote me and say "you ****ing idiot that's already been discovered, you are such a n00b."

I'm quite convinced that this has been discovered, I believe that's the only DACUS thing, Z and C-stick?

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Don't worry about people calling you an idiot, that generally doesn't happen here (Unless you say something like Ganon beats Meta Knight).

Feel free to share anything you think is useful imo!

 

[ViperGold42]

Don't worry about people calling you an idiot, that generally doesn't happen here (Unless you say something like Ganon beats Meta Knight).

Feel free to share anything you think is useful imo!

thanks Boss, when I was here back when it was only Melee, my opinion and inputs were ALWAYS shot down. well I've checked the DACUS threads and they have the Z/C-stick trick.

 

[Ken Neth]

Lol just tell us and we can tell you if we've heard it before. That's much easier than us racking our brain for all the ways to dacus when we usually only use the one we are used to. People are pretty chill around here, especially on the snake boards, so there's no need to worry about "looking like a noob" or anything else that could stop people from posting.

 

[ViperGold42]

Lol just tell us and we can tell you if we've heard it before. That's much easier than us racking our brain for all the ways to dacus when we usually only use the one we are used to. People are pretty chill around here, especially on the snake boards, so there's no need to worry about "looking like a noob" or anything else that could stop people from posting.

can you name all the DACUS controls?

 

[Ken Neth]

>_>

No. Read my post again..

 

[False]

Just tell us no one is going to call you an idiot haha.

 

[ViperGold42]

Just tell us no one is going to call you an idiot haha.

well the way to do it WITHOUT the c-stick is to dash in a general direction, tap A quickly twice as the dash animation starts while moving the control stick Up, you will then DACUS. this is the way I've found with out having to use the C-stick. practice in training mode while at 2/3 and it works well.

 

[Tesh]

The problem with with that is if you press A during the early parts of your dash animation you will Fsmash so you can't DACUS asap using that method.

 

[Attila_]

i suppose that could be useful if my cstick breaks.

 

[ViperGold42]

The problem with with that is if you press A during the early parts of your dash animation you will Fsmash so you can't DACUS asap using that method.

uh yes you can if you practice the timing, why do you think I asked go to training mode and take it slow? it works better than c-sticking. stop asuming non-snake main. no offense.

 

[Tesh]

Snake isn't the only character with a DACUS. In fact everyone has one.

And you can't dash attack with the A button as fast as you can with the cstick. You will get an Fsmash. The only way that might be possible is if you were able to release the control stick completely before pressing A, which is probably why you had to slow the game down to do it.

 

[ViperGold42]

Snake isn't the only character with a DACUS. In fact everyone has one.

And you can't dash attack with the A button as fast as you can with the cstick. You will get an Fsmash. The only way that might be possible is if you were able to release the control stick completely before pressing A, which is probably why you had to slow the game down to do it.

that's a misunderstanding, not everyone has a notciable DACUS, ZSS has a buffer on her dash attack so she won't go straight into a upsmash. and try yourself buddy before taking shots at me telling me it was wrong, and no I have tried to at normal speed and it works, I tried at a slower pace to get the timing correct and move up the speed to get it work perfectly.

 

[Tesh]

No .

 

[Attila_]

Nope, everyone has a dacus. Just cause its not noticeable, doesn't mean it's not there.

And I can't imagine this method welling better than the cstick method. The cstick method utilizes other fingers, allowing a frame perfect dacus to be possible. But try pressing the same button on two consecutive frames; it's impossible unless your a top level melee player.

 

[ViperGold42]

Nope, everyone has a dacus. Just cause its not noticeable, doesn't mean it's not there.

And I can't imagine this method welling better than the cstick method. The cstick method utilizes other fingers, allowing a frame perfect dacus to be possible. But try pressing the same button on two consecutive frames; it's impossible unless your a top level melee player.

did you even read my last post, I said its not noticeable. see I knew I would get you people to whine and complain that it doesn't work. and bro its the same movement as a regular c-stick plus Z button frame, why would it be slower? Go and try yourself, Tesh disagrees because he's not a "true" smasher in my opinon.

 

[Attila_]

Because I can press three buttons with three fingers faster than you can press two buttons with one finger.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

did you even read my last post, I said its not noticeable.

I assume Attila was probably talking to Tesh.

Maybe.

Anyways, don't be discouraged if something may not be the optimal way of doing something! I have to admit that the c stick and z button is probably more efficient than double tapping the a button, but it's still people like you who discover weird and wonderful things that advance the metagame.

Heck, look at the Akuma Jump. I certainly see no use for dair and I would rarely use it in a match, but now with the Akuma jump, there's a new way of utilizing the move, and the reason it took 4 years to be discovered is because... well... loldair.

That's my opinion. ~

 

[etecoon]

did you even read my last post, I said its not noticeable. see I knew I would get you people to whine and complain that it doesn't work. and bro its the same movement as a regular c-stick plus Z button frame, why would it be slower? Go and try yourself, Tesh disagrees because he's not a "true" smasher in my opinon.

thanks Boss, when I was here back when it was only Melee, my opinion and inputs were ALWAYS shot down.

I wonder why

 

[ViperGold42]

I assume Attila was probably talking to Tesh.

Maybe.

Anyways, don't be discouraged if something may not be the optimal way of doing something! I have to admit that the c stick and z button is probably more efficient than double tapping the a button, but it's still people like you who discover weird and wonderful things that advance the metagame.

Heck, look at the Akuma Jump. I certainly see no use for dair and I would rarely use it in a match, but now with the Akuma jump, there's a new way of utilizing the move, and the reason it took 4 years to be discovered is because... well... loldair.

That's my opinion. ~

what I'm discouraged is that he won't test it out, I found this on accident and what I really dislike is someone not even trying to try out, I'm glad you posted this but this method is for those who have bad c-sticks or use z button for something else like me, But I respect your opinion, thanks Boss.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Ah I see.

Well then that's fair enough.

By the way, there's no need to call me 'boss'. I'm just a regular guy, no better than you or anyone else here. lol.

 

[ViperGold42]

Ah I see.

Well then that's fair enough.

By the way, there's no need to call me 'boss'. I'm just a regular guy, no better than you or anyone else here. lol.

I call all the Mods, Boss. its a sign of respect, and yeah immature people take my quotes and act like idiots, its quite disappointing to see the site come to this when people would welcome you, I just found this method on accident, I will continue to use only for Snake b ecause Snake's smashes just suck (except upsmash of course) but he's sliding half way across the stage so its going to be hard to chase him down if you're not like Sonic. plus my c-stick and z button are broken.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Well yeah, if you're using it and it's working for you, more power to ya. :3

 

[ViperGold42]

Well yeah, if you're using it and it's working for you, more power to ya. :3

thanks Boss, I don't find it a EASIER way I just find it a more apporiate way for Snake, for other characters who DACUS like Falco I feel the c-stick method is better because his smashes are WAY broken. I've also found it easier to sidetilt or uptilt in this method to be honest.

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Yeah I think I've done this kind of DACUS on accident myself as well before. ^_^

EDIT Because i'm afraid to double post o-o: What makes our nades blow up when they get hit? Is it the mount of damage they take? I've seen my nades get hit quite a few times and not blow up and it's a bit annoying especially when it doesn't stop nado. T_T

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

I bet Aerodrome can answer that better than I can. I never gave it any thought until you mentioned this.

My best guess is it depends upon the type of attack. The only times I recall it not exploding when it hits a hitbox is when being chucked at another projectile that can be interacted with such as bombs, boomerangs, arrows, etc. Stuff you can attack, and induce hitlag on. Lasers for example are not something you can induce hitlag on with your own attacks, so grenades simply explode on it.

I cannot really recall a time where it did not explode on a tornado however. I believe the the tornado hits every few frames, so it might be possible to chuck it, then bounce off MK while not hitting any of the hitboxes when they disappear. But I am probably wrong on this.

Check one, dealing with toon links' ledge stuff. Particularly the drop down grab bomb, and throw it up. I'm not sure what do do against this. I feel like I have to hard predict a response from TL such as run off and 2nd jump Bair. I thought of grabbing the bomb when thrown up, and pitch it back down to him. But the knockback is pretty pitiful and doesn't do much I feel. Any ideas?

 

[Ralph Cecil]

Probably :\ It doesn't happen all of the time, but it's enough to get on my nerves. T_T

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Yeah I think I've done this kind of DACUS on accident myself as well before. ^_^

EDIT Because i'm afraid to double post o-o: What makes our nades blow up when they get hit? Is it the mount of damage they take? I've seen my nades get hit quite a few times and not blow up and it's a bit annoying especially when it doesn't stop nado. T_T

Don't be afraid to double post if a significant amount of time has passed between your last one.

Also grenades explode as soon as a hitbox hits their hurtbox. The only hitboxes that don't blow grenades up are inert, grabboxes and windboxes.

Grenades can still be "hit" and stopped by attacks as long as they're moving and have their 1-4% hitbox attached to them; this allows them to cancel attacks that do 9% or less damage than the hitbox that is currently attached to the grenade. (This is why you can chuck grenades at Ike while he's jabbing and even though Ike's jab hits the moving grenade, it doesn't blow up)

On the flip side, whether a hitbox can not clang (otherwise known as "transcendence") bypasses the hitbox attached to the grenade and blows it up immediately.

Grenades are nothing like Toon Link's/Link's bombs which can sustain a certain amount of damage before exploding.

Hope that was coherent enough for you.