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i agree with this. although i also want to note that people dont realize that half the characters they ***** about being unviable are still unviable if mk gets banned. snake/diddy/falco/ics/marth/ddd make SOOO many chars not viable lmao
Yeah that goes back to our point about them being similarly skilled. But if you look at tournaments where they didn't play each other, Shadow always places higher (top 5 where Fatal I've seen vary from 33rd to 7th. Snake just doesn't perform as well as MK overall, even if they have an even matchup with each other. (of course you can prove me wrong by providing results, I'm just going off memory here)
No.ten no's
As of now Snake is the only matchup that can be argued even.
I'm guessing you meant that backwards right? DEHF is the only reason anyone belives its 50-50. Most Falco players believe its 55-45 MKs favor.
And MK can also do the same infinite back to diddy, that's all just theory craft. It doesn't affect matchup ratios until someone pulls it off enough to beat someone they wouldn't have beaten otherwise.
Haven't you been paying attention to the past few pages? Dekar and Gnes BOTH believe that Mk vs Diddy is worse than 55:45 if the MK knows how to play the match-up.
Yes they are. You're just denying the fact that MUs are not being based around the official BBR rules, and they never take planking and scrooging into account, even though these tactics are not banned officially.
@Halberd: No, most Falco's have it as 50-50 without planking. They didn't put that ratio on their MU board just because DEHF said it was.
character boards don't mean ****, and pretty sure that if you actually somehow polled every falco main in existence, the average would not indicate even
you're the one that started with the FALCO MAINS THINK IT'S EVEN, I never said that their opinions mattered, I'm just saying that you're wrong.
You're smarter than this dude. If you actually think that then don't throw around the word idiot.
The MK boards have it as 55-45. SEE WHAT I DID THERE
To be fair, that's how anyone beats the IC's.
Pikachu's worst match-up (to my knowledge) is a toss up between Marth and MK.
They still occur. Scrooging originated during tourneys with LGLs, in case you forgot... And even at tourneys with LGLs, planking occurs. You really don't NEED to live on the ledge t plank, you can just do so when you feel threatened. And Mk has 5 jumps and an invincible downB, he can grab the ledges in a variety of different ways and timings, enough to make sure he doesn't go over the LGL.
So, are you saying that even if it's eventually proven true that MK is a hindrance and a vast majority of the competitive brawlers want him gone, you won't do it because people spent lots of time maining him, and it's unfair? You'd be willing to let the game die simply because people spent 2 years maining him? It would be THEIR fault for maining a character to this day which has been brought up for banning more than 4 times in the past without thinking that he COULD get banned at some point later, right or wrong?
I mainly just want to quote this because of how much I agree with it.
People always say that, but they forget the IC player can just suicide and get a second chance.
But how is that the point? It's not even a popularity thing as someone already explained. He's not good because a large amount of people use him, a large amount of people use him because he's already good.
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i could say that for sooooo many characters.
To make this even more blatantly obvious: if you are not starting to pick up snake/falco/diddy/wario/ICs/some other secondary, you are NOT helping your case. MK mains have had several months to see "whoops, this discussion is going downhill" and pick up a different character. One that isn't balls to the walls broken. Additionally, How do you feel about forcing us to drop our old mains of Marth, or ROB, or Wario, or DDD, or Olimar because you want to keep playing Metaknight? You're forcing us to change our mains to have a chance as well.
Hahaha are you serious. Getting a 1-0 lead is a huge disadvantage?
Why should EVERYONE drop their character to use the ones that can compete best against MK, even if the ones that compete the best are still disadvantaged? Why do you use that example, when both situations are completely different? WHY should even the mainers of popular higher tier'd characters have to change mains, and be compared to the few users of lower-tier'd characters when an argument against the problem THE ENTIRE CAST shares is brought up?
