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Binx

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I like how Wobbles does vs Peach, I think Marth is more difficult personally. Where are all these people coming from dissing on Marth, I mean before Mango he was winning all the tournaments since forever, he still wins over half of them, and jiggs wins like almost none since Mango beats everyone but the very top EC with anyone he wants to.
 

Divinokage

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People need to L2P vs Jiggs and Ganon =P

Most people get caught by ridiculous things when you fight against both these characters. You have to L2 DI and L2 spacing or else you will die against these 2 characters.

Imo, they basically work the same. I mean they both space back airs sort of and if you bad DI then you get rest, or you get sent flying completely across the stage. lol.
 

Vts

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People need to L2P vs Jiggs and Ganon =P

Most people get caught by ridiculous things when you fight against both these characters. You have to L2 DI and L2 spacing or else you will die against these 2 characters.

Imo, they basically work the same. I mean they both space back airs sort of and if you bad DI then you get rest, or you get sent flying completely across the stage. lol.
woot thats good for me i get ton of ganon practice since G.vice is a beast with ganon.

he didn't have anyone to play with so he got his tech skill crazy (2 hours a day for like 3 months.)

training under the only waterfall in arkansas, plus he is mad cute <3 lol

he is now just working on predicting people and mindgames :)

and vs jiggs i get some practice but just so weird fighting it.
 

skyheart

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I like how Wobbles does vs Peach, I think Marth is more difficult personally. Where are all these people coming from dissing on Marth, I mean before Mango he was winning all the tournaments since forever, he still wins over half of them, and jiggs wins like almost none since Mango beats everyone but the very top EC with anyone he wants to.
it's just that m2k can't beat jiggs with marth
 

Blistering Speed

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Stop posting random stupid sentences skyheart.

I got Mogwai's back on this, Falco's second. Hell, I'll be even more controversial and say that he beats Peach and Samus and goes even with Marth, Jiggs and Fox.

Peach is better then Falcon, she's just severely underplayed these days.

Jiggs is on around the same level as Peach and Captain Falcon, people just aren't willing to adapt their playstyle as fully as is needed to beat Jiggs.
 

Mogwai

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That is the matchup.

oh yea and bairs.
 

KevinM

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You forgot like 600 more pews.

Then you space bairs and kick her in the face.

Then you run away and show her your gun some more.
 

KAOSTAR

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Yea the lasers are much faster than any of samuss projectiles and can mess up her recovery fairly well. Falco has a good fsmash, dair, and bair.

Samus where you at
 

ihavespaceblondes

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Yea the lasers are much faster than any of samuss projectiles and can mess up her recovery fairly well. Falco has a good fsmash, dair, and bair.

Samus where you at
Don't mind me. Just busy banning FD, moving across platforms to get by the pew pew, living to 150+%, and gimping your garbage recovery.
 

KAOSTAR

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Don't mind me. Just busy banning FD, moving across platforms to get by the pew pew, living to 150+%, and gimping your garbage recovery.
haha thats cute but too bad I play marth lol

sound Fair to you lol

If you got aim u can shoot while she bomb jumps. It lowerers her vertical height by a decent amount. Basically make her waste the grapple and then she needs to up+B to get to the ledge which as falco isnt thats hard to take care of.
 

pockyD

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it definitely doesn't on any competent samus

do lasers even break bombs? (not like that would even matter, since samus's will be recovering low anyway)

it's just "free damage" as far as i can tell
 

KAOSTAR

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Its just takes away some options(if they choose to go high), its annoying and its free damage. Falco likes having ppl below anyway.

samus trades vert for horz and makes it more likely they will have to use the grapple

and its pew pew. its harder to get bombs off while getting hit with lasers. I dont think the bomb jump cancels the hit animation so you will just fall until you b jump again.

Im not trying to say this is how you should break samus as falco im just saying that lasering can help falco control samus even while she is way off the stage and can turn into an easier kill
 

pockyD

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good samus's will recover low 90% of the time anyway, regardless of whether you're shooting them or not

like i said, it's just a little bit of free damage. aside from that, it doesn't come close to 'mess[ing] up her recovery fairly well'
 

KAOSTAR

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good samus's will recover low 90% of the time anyway, regardless of whether you're shooting them or not

like i said, it's just a little bit of free damage. aside from that, it doesn't come close to 'mess[ing] up her recovery fairly well'
Im just saying you can use the lasers to put samus in a better position for a kill. part of that is more damage.

Also if u can take away the grapple then vertical height is alot more important.

If all ur saying is that its not fairly well like I had said then thats fine. Its really not important. The fact is that lasers can be used to help falco kill a recovering samus.
 
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