Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
i really really need to be able to go to more tournaments. il get mad good mad quick. i just cant travel to some bumblefvck new jersey town. at least not without other smashers taking me there (sad face)
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KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
If the percent is low enough they cannot get out of it. From 0 you can upthrow into like 4 fairs and then end that with something if they miss the tech. I use the fc sb.
He cannot chain grab. I will not say this again.
If they hold any direction other than away you can regrab, or if they are at a low enough percent.
His up throw into fairs doesnt **** because it doesnt generally lead into a kill. Once you have done this combo you cant do it until next stock because they are at 2 high a percent.
I think you can do some variations of this at around 20 or lower. Otherwise they can jump out of the upthrow and you get a weeny *** nair or uair.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Lack of popularity is a major problem you run into, a better measure is proportion of player out of players who are at the top of the metagame.
Fletch
Smash Master
I was going to say exactly this. Just because a lot of people can't play ICs effectively because they play very differently from a lot of the cast doesn't mean they aren't good characters.
I disagree with a few things. I truely believe ness is the worst character in the game. I'd rather play as pichu or bowser in a serious match.
My list would look different.
Top tier
Falco
Marth
Fox
Shiekh
Falcon
High tier
Ice climbers
Jigglypuff
Peach
Luigi
Dr mario
Mid tier
Ganondorf
Samus
Roy
Link
Mario
Low tier
Mewtwo
Yoshi
Game and Watch
Young Link
Pikachu
Bottom tier
Donkey Kong
Zelda
Kirby Edit<
Pichu
Bowser
Ness
I put Donkey Kong so low, because most characters can combo him very easily based on size, i think just from being big makes his job so much harder, and he get's owned by better characters, that characters above on my tier list can actually do something against. Ness has the crappest moveset in the game, even if pichu hurts himself he has speed on his side what has ness got?
xXx-NoobKing-xXx
Smash Hero
Peach > Falcon. It goes without saying. Also, there is no way yoshi, M2, and G&W should be above DK. I'm not gunna go into details but yah...
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
where kirby? I can argee with the ness thing but DK has really good grabs he shouldn't be lower than than m2. m2 can't approach,kill, is huge/combo bait, light, and sucks on platforms and edges he might be good enough to be bottom of low tier.
zedla is a lot like puff in some ways and her down-B stops her from ever being in bottom.
pikachu is an amazing gimp machine and is a lot like fox his recovery is also way to easy and hard to stop
Really you need to explain your stuff like how is falcon better than puff and fox 3rd what? Even if fox isn't winning everywhere he is still the best(I think) It's simply everyone uses him so peopple have learned how to fight him better.
zedla is a lot like puff in some ways and her down-B stops her from ever being in bottom.
pikachu is an amazing gimp machine and is a lot like fox his recovery is also way to easy and hard to stop
Really you need to explain your stuff like how is falcon better than puff and fox 3rd what? Even if fox isn't winning everywhere he is still the best(I think) It's simply everyone uses him so peopple have learned how to fight him better.
Falco's combo game is superior to foxes in everyway. Do you never play as fox? and for a split second wish you were falco to get that extra height for a killing bair? Do i need to mention lasers? they set up into all smashes, combos and grabs if you want. Falco is fast ENOUGH has more stage control than fox and is a danger basically wherever he is on stage. Also his bair is way more deadly due to better air movement.
Marth is just hellish for every character i don't want to speak of it lol. The sword is too long.
Fox dies more than falco. For 2 reasons one falco isn't as fastfalling. The other his midair jump sucks and from there his recovery options are horrible. Falco wont be dying as much. His shine isn't as useful as falco's i feel. His gun isn't as useful as falco's. I don't think his longer dtilt, powerful upsmash and faster speed compensate for all of falco's advantages.
I feel captain falcon is better than peach. Because falcon does better against icies and jigglypuff than she does. I could be wrong i just feel like there's nothing i can do as peach in those matchups, i don't think peach does very well against any of the top tiers whereas falcon has a much better shot.
I guess my list is more about viability, donkey kong get's ripped to shreds by falco, fox, sheikh marth and falcon basically all characters have horrrible things they can do to him. Mewtwo doesn't need to approach he has decent grab range and shadowballs and his bair outranges marths sword. His down b can lead to a kill. If you pick stages with low ceilings such as yoshi's story you can upthrow them to death at like 70% guaranteed. Once you get into boxing range mewtwo becomes really good. All of his tilts are good, his uair is amazing has awesome range and power and can kill. his bair outranges alot and can kill and combo, his fair kills and combo's his dair... lol can be a pro spike... at best. He can kill from a distance has decent throws, has a very safe roll a large shield he isn't getting gimped has an amazing recovery,
I truely feel mewtwo is better than people think.
Yoshi m2 and game and watch better than dk? I believe so. Donkey kong has alot of easy to read options and if he makes a mistake he get's punished very hard for it. His tilts are slow save downtilt but i think that's punishable on shield. Game and watches fair alone make's donkey kong life hard it comes out quickly and if spaced right can't get punished, gaw has no real weak spot to aim for he may be light but his disjoints and combo's are all very solid. Yoshi is very underated imo, all his smashes are better than dk's he can double jump through smash attacks until like 100. He has a projectile unlike dk and all in all is just less readable, he's not slow and despite having no second jump tends to last a long time. Also gaw has judgement 9 which is quicker and more powerful than any of dk's moves : D.
Marth is just hellish for every character i don't want to speak of it lol. The sword is too long.
Fox dies more than falco. For 2 reasons one falco isn't as fastfalling. The other his midair jump sucks and from there his recovery options are horrible. Falco wont be dying as much. His shine isn't as useful as falco's i feel. His gun isn't as useful as falco's. I don't think his longer dtilt, powerful upsmash and faster speed compensate for all of falco's advantages.
I feel captain falcon is better than peach. Because falcon does better against icies and jigglypuff than she does. I could be wrong i just feel like there's nothing i can do as peach in those matchups, i don't think peach does very well against any of the top tiers whereas falcon has a much better shot.
I guess my list is more about viability, donkey kong get's ripped to shreds by falco, fox, sheikh marth and falcon basically all characters have horrrible things they can do to him. Mewtwo doesn't need to approach he has decent grab range and shadowballs and his bair outranges marths sword. His down b can lead to a kill. If you pick stages with low ceilings such as yoshi's story you can upthrow them to death at like 70% guaranteed. Once you get into boxing range mewtwo becomes really good. All of his tilts are good, his uair is amazing has awesome range and power and can kill. his bair outranges alot and can kill and combo, his fair kills and combo's his dair... lol can be a pro spike... at best. He can kill from a distance has decent throws, has a very safe roll a large shield he isn't getting gimped has an amazing recovery,
I truely feel mewtwo is better than people think.
Yoshi m2 and game and watch better than dk? I believe so. Donkey kong has alot of easy to read options and if he makes a mistake he get's punished very hard for it. His tilts are slow save downtilt but i think that's punishable on shield. Game and watches fair alone make's donkey kong life hard it comes out quickly and if spaced right can't get punished, gaw has no real weak spot to aim for he may be light but his disjoints and combo's are all very solid. Yoshi is very underated imo, all his smashes are better than dk's he can double jump through smash attacks until like 100. He has a projectile unlike dk and all in all is just less readable, he's not slow and despite having no second jump tends to last a long time. Also gaw has judgement 9 which is quicker and more powerful than any of dk's moves : D.
SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
And then I stopped reading.
Falco's recovery is much worse than Fox's and is one of the main key downfalls of falco. He gets gimped much earlier.
A Pimp Named Slickback
Smash Lord
peach ***** ICs
it's like a 70-30 hardass matchup for the climbers
Puff ****s up CF
it's like a 70-30 hardass matchup for the climbers
Puff ****s up CF
Oh yea another thing, falco's phantasm spikes whereas foxes does something pretty useless.
It could be argued that if either character has to fire (fox/bird) they are both dead even if foxes is longer. However because falco's midair jump is better you have a chance to confuse the opponenet at which height level you will phantasm. Both recoveries suck pretty bad.
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x After Dawn x
Smash Master
He's not a troll, just an idiot.
x After Dawn x
Smash Master
Donkey Kong bottom tier.
I ****ing lol'd. That whole list is so bad.
I ****ing lol'd. That whole list is so bad.
X1-12
Smash Champion
You do realise the list isn't supposed to just be based on how well you play as the characters?
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
Dude again how is kirby better than pichu but now bowser wtf? bowser hiding in his sheild using only up-B is better than kirby. heck bowser on yoshi story is faster than kirby. Also I find it so funny how m2 can't approach but he can get a grab somehow does he have any idea how hard it is to stand there and get a grab? Fox up-throw upair uppair to deathcompared to falco near useless throws. falco can't waveshine people off the stage into a shinespike.
is faster letting him do more things. up-smash is retarted really most of the stuff about fox is retarted.
is faster letting him do more things. up-smash is retarted really most of the stuff about fox is retarted.
BBQ°
Smash Champion
Ganondorf is the best character in Melee.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
This man speaks the truth, one fair = one stock.
Kirby can bair, upthrow to.... advantage'd position... lol, Can suicide for a kill via throw, and gains projectiles that help somewhat and a quick powerful fsmash. Bowser is just terrible and get's ***** in an entirely different way, also kirby is alot harder to gimp. He can lock uptilt against some characters and ftilt has it's use at times.
Kirby is better than bowser surely.
Just watch videos of taj as mewtwo. In a game where the other player is 99% of the time approaching, you will get hit's in. His grab range is large and can grab people out of shffl nair's iirc. His tail outranges plenty of characters that alone makes him good and very powerful throws. A very good character that requires alot of time.
Though it's completely debatable. That pikachu and gaw are better.
My mains are Falco, Doctor Mario and GAW.
Mewtwo and sheikh to a lesser extent.
Kirby is better than bowser surely.
Just watch videos of taj as mewtwo. In a game where the other player is 99% of the time approaching, you will get hit's in. His grab range is large and can grab people out of shffl nair's iirc. His tail outranges plenty of characters that alone makes him good and very powerful throws. A very good character that requires alot of time.
Though it's completely debatable. That pikachu and gaw are better.
My mains are Falco, Doctor Mario and GAW.
Mewtwo and sheikh to a lesser extent.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
dk is like ganon. onlw w/o a shield.
kirby has virtually NO good matchups. not even even matchups. he sucks. there was only one good kirby in all of history. that was PC.
pichu had azen, kdj, and cactuar.
bowser has gimpyfish, djn, and djns one double partner who i forgot the name of(warrior something?). djn still ***** with bowser lol.
roy had some goodies. neo, ken, cactuar, masashi, azen. but now they all suck. cactuar retired btw
omg kens back btw. he lives mid west now. he sucks tho.
kirby has virtually NO good matchups. not even even matchups. he sucks. there was only one good kirby in all of history. that was PC.
pichu had azen, kdj, and cactuar.
bowser has gimpyfish, djn, and djns one double partner who i forgot the name of(warrior something?). djn still ***** with bowser lol.
roy had some goodies. neo, ken, cactuar, masashi, azen. but now they all suck. cactuar retired btw
omg kens back btw. he lives mid west now. he sucks tho.
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KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Mewtwo doesnt have a big grab range. Its only average.
Middle of the pack
Middle of the pack
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
It's enough to make grabbing a possibility instead of "omg, you'll only grab if your opponent fell over laughing cause you picked mewtwo".
Which reminds me, Kaostar, were you at snes? I remember playing a random mewtwo who wanted some replays for his combo vid and we did some games (beat me IIRC).
I dunno, had that nagging feeling that I knew you from somewhere ever since we debated about MH.
Which reminds me, Kaostar, were you at snes? I remember playing a random mewtwo who wanted some replays for his combo vid and we did some games (beat me IIRC).
I dunno, had that nagging feeling that I knew you from somewhere ever since we debated about MH.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
Naw I couldnt make it to snes. I wanted to go tho lol.
and yea its not a pikachu grab range or anything but its not marth shiek roy, even Ic have a bigger grab range.
and I just started to cut clips. I have a bunch tho over 100. Wide range of really nice to trash.
and yea its not a pikachu grab range or anything but its not marth shiek roy, even Ic have a bigger grab range.
and I just started to cut clips. I have a bunch tho over 100. Wide range of really nice to trash.
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
i realised something.....
fox
falco
peach
sheik
marth
^theoretically
fox
falco
peach
sheik
marth
^theoretically
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
yeah but i heard he was maaaaaaad rusty
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
wait, WHAAAAATTTTTTTT!!!!!Holy **** Ken is back
KEN IS BACKK!!!
KEN AND M2K ARE BOTH IN THE MW!?! Jesus Christ, thier region my skyrocket.
And the boozer you were thinking of is Warriorknight. I think he's better than dj. >_>
don't get too happy there everyone in MW is like a shell of their former selves like M2K (and yet will still get top 3...amazing) , Ken, Tink, Dope, Darkrain( somewhat rusty nothing a little pre-Pound practice will cure), Drephen (He's getting back into shape though), Watty is still good, Kels is rising somewhat.
ETWIST51294
Smash Hero
I think Ken can give M2K some hope vs Jiggs with Marth. Everyone knows Ken is the best strategist in Smash History(except maybe Mango)
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
ken lost to a random zelda. hes rusty.
Yo where did you get the info from
People in Pound 4 thread are like confirm it ... so I already beleive you though
If I know Ken he'll get back and **** ****...like Azen but even more. this is gonna bring the world of melee back
I aalso talk to Neo on the brawl stream today and he said he'll probably start playing melee competitvely again after Pound 4
People in Pound 4 thread are like confirm it ... so I already beleive you though
If I know Ken he'll get back and **** ****...like Azen but even more. this is gonna bring the world of melee back
I aalso talk to Neo on the brawl stream today and he said he'll probably start playing melee competitvely again after Pound 4
Nø Ca$h
Smash Champion
neo? ****!
ken was in one of sveets tournies i heard
ken was in one of sveets tournies i heard
Kite91
Mada Mada Dane
The Return of Ken.....should be a movie
INSANE CARZY GUY
Banned via Warnings
wow does this mean marth should higher? melee will out live brawl by at least 2 years
Yeah Mike G said that he will have Neo and Bum along with the rest of Old DA( that means you too Wes) back playing melee by 2011.
MELEE 'S BACK BABY.
I think alot of them are starting to feel the Brawl blues. lol
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