Official MBR Tier List

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

so does pichu he has a more solid method of killing them, avoiding lasers, approaching and not getting ***** by upwards killpower. m2 has better range and tilts.

No every one has some kind of plan vs spacies like chain throw or whatever.

 

[X1-12]

No every one has some kind of plan vs spacies like chain throw or whatever.

not really bowser, zelda, Link, Ylink all dont, they're all above M2, and i can understand it for zelda and link but i'd say M2 should be above the others

EDIT: same with samus and ganon

 

[Nø Ca$h]

being good against spacies and being a good char are two irrelevent things.

 

[X1-12]

M2 is better than the rest of bottom and a fair bit of low as well

 

[Tamoo]

zelda and ganon have a chainthrow gainst spacies, i'll show ya tomorrow, hella hard to do consistently tho lol

so does bowser doesnt he? iunno

 

[X1-12]

i saw this ganon chaingrab vs falco leadng into a 0-death combo but i heard the CG was like actually impossible unless you know which way they're gonna DI cause no-one has that fast reactions

 

[Magus420]

It's definitely possible to regrab purely on reaction starting from at least around 50/60 or so to death, since even I can do that. Works on Fox too, but I can't start doing it on reaction with good success until more around 70/80 for him.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

WHy does m2 do good vs fox and that ends that. bwsoer and zedla have chain throws on them and zedla can space fairs/bairs kindof like jigglypuff which is pretty good vs space animal. link are good at camping and there main flaw is speed m2 has many flaws.

 

[X1-12]

WHy does m2 do good vs fox and that ends that. bwsoer and zedla have chain throws on them and zedla can space fairs/bairs kindof like jigglypuff which is pretty good vs space animal. link are good at camping and there main flaw is speed m2 has many flaws.

M2

Pros
insane recovery
projectile can be used for gimping or charged up for kills
invincible and invisible during nearly all of Up+B
can easily combo fastfallers
Good CG
good killing throws
good edgeguarder with B-airs and N-air
fast roll
long WD
decent range

Cons
Light
shortish grab range
slow spot-dodge
big
he's big
few approaches

 

[Nø Ca$h]

i have another con

maaad laaag.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

yeah it's more like

M2

Pros
insane recovery
can easily combo fastfallers
good throws
long WD
decent range

Cons
Light
slow spot-dodge
he's big
few approaches
sucks on platforms
slowish
sucks on the edge
sucks at killing


m2 has more cons than pros and the approach, speed and bad at evading are really really bad worse than pichu's self damage.

 

[TresChikon]

M2 is better than the rest of bottom and a fair bit of low as well

Don't discriminate, all of them are equally horrible.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

kirby isn't equal to G&W or even bowser.

 

[KAOSTAR]

being good against spacies and being a good char are two irrelevent things.

Lol, this doesnt make sense. You just nullified the importance of both statements pertaining to a hypothesis that you never stated.

M2

Pros
insane recovery
projectile can be used for gimping or charged up for kills
invincible and invisible during nearly all of Up+B
can easily combo fastfallers-Its not as easy as you think. His combo system is too linear. They never have to mix up their DI for any of his moves. You simply hold away to get out of all of m2 combos. Smash DI even better. same with throws, opposite for survival obviously, and his up throw isnt as low a percent on spacies.
Good CG -doesnt actually have one.
good killing throws-best in the game, but isnt actually that good. hes gotta use it tho.
good edgeguarder with B-airs and N-air-not that great at edgeguarding. He just has a good recovery and can edgguard from far away. He cant really gimp. You can only edgeguard predictable recoveries or ones that are far out/require the ledge.
fast roll-Far roll, and thats really only the back one thats good. The front ones leaves you shielding still because you have poor options oos. Then you get punished for rolling.
long WD-Yea, maks him, in conjunction with the teleport decently mobile
decent range-nothing phenomenal. You will have a hard time keeping ppl at bay.

Cons
Light
shortish grab range-its mid range and has a decent behind grabbox.
slow spot-dodge-can be a plus. Most ppl dont see that you have dodged and arent use to the timing. Also you cant really see him spot dodge because his animation is almost the same as standing.
big-HUGE
he's big-from the back
few approaches-True

M2 is better than the rest of bottom and a fair bit of low as well

Despite all of this, I think that he is still better than bottom. He has good matchups with the bottom and low tiers. But you will find that playing against a mewtwo and exploiting a m2 are two very different things. You can utterly **** m2 wth fox if you know how to do it. He is just too big and slow at close range. All of the tight things he can do are really just tricks. They are almost all beatable. He has very few safe option.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

So my list was more right. But hey he should move up now it's undeniable now they took away stages that aren't FD.

Wait they should cjange the list on that reason alone. think stages greatly affext matchs like ice climbers they pick pokeflaots wtf you lose. Like who is more favored now? they took away anto puff stages so yeah get ***** they changed the rules so the list HAS to be changed even if there where no metgame changes(which there have been many)

 

[KAOSTAR]

I dont think it would affect the list that much. I think they tried to base the list more off raw ability, not based on specific stages.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

some people need some stages and stages change how you play like corn. is uber campy

 

[adumbrodeus]

I dont think it would affect the list that much. I think they tried to base the list more off raw ability, not based on specific stages.

Stages effect practical aspects radically, a character that wins 60-40 or better on 50% +1 of the neutrals is a 55-45 even if otherwise 50-50. Worse now that we're doing stage striking, cause you're dealing with 60-40, first stage round, you may win the second one 99-1, but you're getting another 60-40 or worse next time around.


And what if you only have 1 good counter-pick and it's 3 out of 5? Or worse?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

yeah ice climbers are now better because anyone could have picked poke floats and destroyed a lot of ice climber tactics

 

[Nø Ca$h]

lemme rephrase that

just because mewtwo can **** scrubby foxes doesnt mean hes a good char. a decent fox can destroy mewtwo. if u would like to argue this, name 10 mewtwos that **** any fox that has somewhat decent braket placings.

mewtwo has a very shallow bag of tricks. that is why he sucks.

 

[MarioMariox2]

lemme rephrase that

just because mewtwo can **** scrubby foxes doesnt mean hes a good char. a decent fox can destroy mewtwo. if u would like to argue this, name 10 mewtwos that **** any fox that has somewhat decent braket placings.

mewtwo has a very shallow bag of tricks. that is why he sucks.

Quoted for truth. In smash tiers, quantity over quality.

Any character > Any scrubby user of a character.

Oversimplified example:One can use pichu and own a scrub using Marth even though that matchup is WAY TOO MUCH in Marth's favor.

 

[X1-12]

m2 can CG with D-throw and his up-throw -> f-air -> fair ->fair ***** spacies and if they DI too far away you can just WD d-tilt -> d-tilt etc etc into u-tilts or a grab

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

that pichu thing is to true my brother hated my pichu so he picked marth and planed to **** me somehow. I 4 stocked him and he hit me but 3 hits.


If they can easily di out or hit you it's not a chain throw di away from m2 and they don't work so good.

 

[TresChikon]

m2 can CG with D-throw and his up-throw -> f-air -> fair ->fair ***** spacies and if they DI too far away you can just WD d-tilt -> d-tilt etc etc into u-tilts or a grab

Those spacies must be brain dead to let those combos happen, especially when one of them can DJ out of it and come down with an infinitely gay dair.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Really m2 has way to many flaws Really the following have to many flaws to do decent without a really good player. kirby, pichu, m2, ness, yoshi, bowser, G&W. maybe yoshi a little higher than them because he isn't as cripled half of them. They can't even appraoch to land attacks and in general their attacks suck they all have something decent but to cover their flaws is like useing your hands to fix a hole in a dam. The only reason why I think pichu is better than most is because he can run away till he knows what to do and he can keep up with faster people what will any of them do if a fast person starts approaching? they are F***ed.

They can't run away from having no approach, defence, or they are easy to camp and can really camp back. And most can't even land a decent kill other than G&W and pichu.

Sorry I'm a bottom tier player but look at the F***ing truth I mean I will never say pichu sucks because I still feel he is better than they say if they moved him up I could say he sucks like I say for pikachu sucking.

 

[X1-12]

Those spacies must be brain dead to let those combos happen, especially when one of them can DJ out of it and come down with an infinitely gay dair.

i'm sure up-throw -> fair is guaranteed combo from 0% and then you can DJC into another

just btw when i say i'm sure doesnt necessarily i'm right

 

[Nø Ca$h]

im happy smashboards is an oligarchy and not a democracy.

imo, the tier list should look like this

princess puff
solid snake puff (NOT rambo)
blue puff
naked puff
red puff.

jk but im gonna think about it and post my true thoughts in a bit.

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

aww the flower is cute though. I will edit match what ever you edit.

 

[Vulcan55]

It's not Rambo or Snake, since it's tied in a bow.
It's just a headband.

 

[strawhats]

yo Vulcan, you going to Pound 4 ?

If so are you entering melee ?

 

[Nø Ca$h]

aww the flower is cute though. I will edit match what ever you edit.

cute =/= deadly. unless its that 7 year old falco player

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Bull crap pichu's slow walk to side-B in sudden death there is nothing cuter or deadly.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

roy will grab>ghetto cg that "cuteness"

anywhos imho i think the list should look somewhat like this..

better than top
0 falcons manliness

top
1/2 fox/falco
3 sheik
4 puff
5 marth

high
6 peach
7 falcon
8 ganon
9 ICs
10 doc

mid
11 samus
12 pika
13 DK
14 mario
15 weegee
16 link

low
17 young link
18 zelda
19 roy
20 gaw
21 m2

bottom
22 pichu
23 yoshi
24 bowser
25 ness
26 kirby

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

better than top
0 falcons manliness (higher D*** it)

top
1/2 fox/falco
3 sheik
4 puff
5 marth

high
6 peach
7 falcon
8 ganon
9 ICs(they can fall anywhere between 7-10 but they have techically inproved due to the banning of poke floats and other stages)
10 doc(just isn't someone you see who wins or places high in tourments bad recovery but his camping is pretty good and he isn't that different from mario)

mid
11 samus
12 pika
13 DK(don't know why but I always think dk should be lower)
14 mario
15 weegee(luigi has a better recover, power, shield pressure, and movemnt one over mario)
16 link

low
17 young link
18 zelda
19 roy
20 gaw
21 m2

bottom
22 pichu(just beyond yoshi but his movemnt makes him much better than most bottoms because he can just avoid his problems and wait that's reason enough for him to be higher)
23 yoshi(I would think he should be higher than m2 better approach, killing foes, combos and projectile plus yoshi is so cool)
24 bowser
25 ness( I want to disargee but it's true ness isn't very good)
26 kirby(lower than his duck)

 

[x After Dawn x]

that pichu thing is to true my brother hated my pichu so he picked marth and planed to **** me somehow. I 4 stocked him and he hit me but 3 hits.


If they can easily di out or hit you it's not a chain throw di away from m2 and they don't work so good.

Nobody cares about what you do with your brother, that has nothing to do with tournament play. Didn't you once say your brother can't even L-cancel?

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

Yeah that was the point you can't just pick marth and barely win agaist a somewhat decent pichu. you should have read the post a little higher.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

theres actually a good amount of legit docs.

theres more renoun marios than luigis i think. could be wrong

m2 has/had some pretty good players. i.e. taj, iori(or is it lori?). thats why i think he should be where i put him.

thats what i think about pichu. better at not dying

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

It's lori m2 is somwewhat popular for a bottom tier he shold be higher but maybe not that high of a jump just to top of bottom. Also there aren't as many ice climbers as links faultly reasoning something is better because there is more.

But yeah ___ isn't good because A lot of people play as them.

 

[Nø Ca$h]

a character is good when a good number of ppl can place high or decent with them. this is possible when the character has enough options to not be completly figured out by every other player.

 

[victra♥]

a character is good when a good number of ppl can place high or decent with them. this is possible when the character has enough options to not be completly figured out by every other player.

I like that actually. Pretty legit.