Official MBR 2010 NTSC Tier List

[Kink-Link5]

i just wrote a guide on how to defeat all the b-tier characters lol

You mean both Popo AND Nana?

I imagine Peach or Samus has something to do with this guide.

 

[Ripple]

who are the two fastest?

Fox and falco. Go figure

 

[Deleted member]

Ionly talk about m2 because he's better than roy

roy's dashdance is better than mewtwo's entire character.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Someone talk about low tiers that they think could potentially "counter" a high/top tier.

Kirby is a counter for Ganondorf. Discuss.

 

[odinNJ]

Sorry did I misread that post? ^^

 

[Kink-Link5]

I'd like to discuss S0fting Kirby and how legit it is.

 

[Krynxe]

Not even puff counters Ganon, haha.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Marth counters everyone.

 

[odinNJ]

>implying. Trolol

 

[KirbyKaze]

There's the possibility of G&W doing better than you'd think vs Puff. Maybe.

Let's talk about this one.

Or YL vs ICs.

 

[john!]

g&w possibly most underrated character on entire list

 

[choknater]

lol yl vs ic's

fun matchup

ic's punishes soooooooooooooooooooo hard when yl messes up tho

idk who wins. the better player wins i guess cuz nobody has exp in that silly matchup

 

[twizzlerj]

lol yl vs ic's

fun matchup

ic's punishes soooooooooooooooooooo hard when yl messes up tho

idk who wins. the better player wins i guess

choknater be more certain

 

[Wake]

Kirby is pretty good against Dorf.

 

[Bones0]

Kirby already counters Sheik, why not Ganon?

 

[choknater]

choknater be more certain

how can i be if i've only played it like twice in tournament (and that's probably more than anyone else)

and only from young link's side

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Kirby already counters Sheik, why not Ganon?

Given that Sheik has a pretty good Ganon matchup, and Kirby counters Sheik, logic would dictate that Kirby also counters Ganon. Like how rock beats scissors and scissors beats paper, so logic dictates that rock should beat paper.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Kirby is dynamite.

Sheik is rock.

Ganon is scissors.

Kirby counters Sheik. Sheik counters Ganon. Ganon is supposed to beat Kirby, but Kirby wins because he's ****ing dynamite.

 

[Bones0]

Kirby --> Dynamite --> Napolean Dynamite --> Napolean --> SHORT

 

[choknater]

lol @ the kirby ganon thing, been a strange enigma since

the main reason behind that claim is that kirby's crouch goes under every single one of ganon's ground attacks except low angled ftilt and dtilt. it's unique in that it crouches under his wizard's foot and side-B, pretty cool.

but other than staying crouched and spamming wd and dtilt, i have no idea how kirby is supposed to combat ganon who is protecting himself with fairs and stuff. all his aerials can hit crouching kirby just fine






then again kirbyraeg tends to do well vs bizzarro flame, which is more than i can say for myself.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Bones gets it

I think a powershielding Kirby soft counters Ganon because it removes his whole neutral game (aerials).

 

[choknater]

that's impossible

 

[KirbyKaze]

No, it's improbable!

 

[Warhawk]

If someone could powershield that consistently there would be so many better characters than Kirby that they could make better use of that insane tech skill with lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Not every character can powershield effectively. DK's PS sucks.

Similarly, how many of them could shut down Ganon's neutral game to the degree Kirby could?

Also, Falco would be low tier. Losing his entire neutral game completely would eradicate his place in competitive play.

Unless Falco could PS his PSed lasers into more SHLs, thus overwhelming his opponents with even more laser setups than he had before.

:O

 

[choknater]

damn.

falco would be trash if we were all perfect players.

that 3012 metagame.

 

[Warhawk]

damn.

falco would be trash if we were all perfect players.

that 3012 metagame.

If we were all perfect players to the extent of being able to do things like powershield and SDI perfectly wouldn't every character have much of their offensive abilities shut down? And Falco still has ways to punish powershielders.

 

[KirbyKaze]

@ chok

I don't think so

The "Falco would be trash if we were all perfect" isn't really honest

What people are really arguing is that

"Falco would be trash if everyone but the Falco players were perfect"

Which is probably true, but not really meaningful

 

[choknater]

oh yea u right

i wonder who would be the best lol

ice climbers son

 

[Bones0]

****, I just realized Ganon can low-angled ftilt...

 

[Geenareeno]

If you don't sweet spot he will edgeguard you with it. It's so good.

 

[Ripple]

If you don't sweet spot he will edgeguard you with it. It's so good.

**** that. Edge guard with jab

 

[choknater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLT3DeSy3MI&list=UUP9FccGGLqDWVqqzE9DhimA&index=17&feature=plcp

 

[Bizzarro Flame]

totally forgot that video exists haha

 

[Sethlon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLT3DeSy3MI&list=UUP9FccGGLqDWVqqzE9DhimA&index=17&feature=plcp

Yo Level Nine Ganon is legit, I got second in teams with him at A-Kon '06 lol

 

[RaphaelRobo]

I wish my Ganon were that good.

 

[Bizzarro Flame]

LOL Sethlon. i miss that roy of yours

 

[Paju]

Marth counters everyone.

Roy counters everyone better.

 

[Bizzarro Flame]

dear God, that was beautiful. I'm going to frame this quote on my bedroom wall and jizarro flame on it.

 

[RaphaelRobo]

Roy counters everyone better.

Lucario counters everyone betterer.