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[Pi]

You can dash attack on frame 1; you just have to let go of the stick before pressing A. I think you can also just input it like a tilt if you are dash dancing.

not out of the first dash you do
if you let go of the stick and press a before the 4 frame window has passed nothing will happen

and btw there is only a 1 frame window in a dash dance to pivot something
though if you only tap the direction for 1 frame, you will only turn, and then stand which would make it easy to pivot something

but if you are just dash dancing, there is only a 1 frame window to pivot

 

[Kanelol]

I have this problem where I can pivot left to right 98% of the time, but I still can't do it at all from right to left.

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[MTKO]

I have this problem where I can pivot left to right 98% of the time, but I still can't do it at all from right to left.

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I can't empty pivot and end up facing left at all. I'll dash right then flick left, but just end up dashing again. Once my fingers are warmed up I can do it a lot in the opposite direction, but I need to train myself to go right to left still.

 

[john!]

i can only moonwalk to the right

 

[L__]

I can moonwalk both ways, but my moonwalks to the left go further and I can do more tricks with them.

 

[MTKO]

Does anyone know of any theory related material or in depth game study stuff that can be related to smash that they could link me to or recommend? I've read Playing to Win a while back and I'm reading it again. I've also searched through a lot of the theory posts in the "Everything Thread" and I've been working on parts that jump out at me in chunks. Are there any books out there like Playing to Win?

 

[Sangoku]

Is there a matchup chart? Haven't found any. For PAL and NTSC pl0x.

 

[john!]

Does anyone know of any theory related material or in depth game study stuff that can be related to smash that they could link me to or recommend? I've read Playing to Win a while back and I'm reading it again. I've also searched through a lot of the theory posts in the "Everything Thread" and I've been working on parts that jump out at me in chunks. Are there any books out there like Playing to Win?

a purdue smasher wrote this a few months ago: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295524

 

[MTKO]

a purdue smasher wrote this a few months ago: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=295524

Thank you. This is exactly what I was looking for. :D

 

[Pi]

i keep pivot ftilt when i'm trying to pivot fsmash...


i don't understand how it's working? is it the position of the joystick?

 

[Orko]

Use C-stick.

 

[Pi]

was trying that but felt weird to pivot fsmash w/ cstick and i wasn't able to do it even as consistently as i was w/ the joystick + a
though i can pivot dsmash pretty conistently

seems to have been a fluke though, since now i'm back to being able to pivot fsmash and not ftilt

 

[KoleDS]

Does anybody know of any tutorial on how to create TAS videos with dolphin (I'm trying to do all that cool tech stuff in melee). I've scoured the internet for countless hours trying to find resources pertaining to this but to no avail. I have the latest build of dolphin (which has all the TAS tools built-in but I just don't have a clue on how to use them).

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Hmm SuperDoodleMan had done a TAS tutorial thread but it was meant to be used with a gamecube and a video editor. Have you read this guide?

I have some dolphin frame-by-frame experience, but how I make gifs would probably be impractical for a full TAS project. I'll look into those specific TAS tools you mentioned.

 

[KoleDS]

Hmm SuperDoodleMan had done a TAS tutorial thread but it was meant to be used with a gamecube and a video editor. Have you read this guide?

I have some dolphin frame-by-frame experience, but how I make gifs would probably be impractical for a full TAS project. I'll look into those specific TAS tools you mentioned.

No, I haven't read his guide, but I will check it out. Thank you for a possible lead haha, I'm sure his method could be replicated on an emulator though, right?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

What tools were you talking about specifically?

 

[Bl@ckChris]

can anyone tell me why sometimes you can hear spacies' shine before it comes out? it's happened many times where i shine something like another spacie side B, and I can hear the shine, but the side B still hits through. If a shine comes out on frame one, does the sound of the shine come out on frame 0?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Frame 0 is the frame before the game recognizes your input lol

What you are describing is actually shining too early and your invincibility/hitbox wiffs and then you get hit by the sideb.

 

[KoleDS]

What tools were you talking about specifically?

Well I know how to use the frame advance and whatnot, I just have no clue on how to make sure I do the inputs on each frame, say I wanted to waveshine, I can do the shine, but I can't make sure I can wavedash right afterwards. Like how do I make sure the inputs go through is what I'm trying to figure out.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I dont use the frame advance built into the emulator. I use debug menu and the tools it has (frame advance and animation information mostly). Check out this gamefaqs document for more information on the debug menu.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

hmm...so if one were to get hit on frame 2, then you would hear it, the hitbox would come out, and then you'd get ****ed up.

i swear i don't even end up seeing it though. but i guess i just don't end up seeing the one (+) frame(s) that the shine is out before getting torn up out the picture. it makes sense, but sometimes it seems like i hear it, and just get hit.

wait, i know the shine comes out in one frame, but is the hitbox only active for that frame? is there any duration to it at all?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

No. Only 1 frame.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

hmm yeah i guess it has to be. or else it wouldn't be jump cancelable the way it is.

is there some sort of shine FAQ? cause like...i feel like if you don't jump out by a certain time, you're stuck in it for a while. and then after that, you can jump out whenever you want. also, i wanna know how effective shinestalling for barrels is, and how long you hover after releasing an aerial shine normally.

lol ganon main having a thousand shine questions for his fox secondary...

 

[Melaf]

hey I was wondering for a bit now that Ive seen some video from people playing in stages in versus alone with no computers for technical pratice and I was wondering how you do that some people told me it was the same glitch as the one with masterhand but still I dont know

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Its called the "name entry glitch" do a search for that and you'll find lots of information. I know i've done like 5 write ups of it in this thread and it has its own thread too.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Joe, I thought you had a hot date!

Go wash your genitals and shave!

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

my date was great. she likes anime and video games, and wants me to hack her wii for her.

 

[Bl@ckChris]

i lol'd at hack her wii.

i may be a horrible person inside.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

lo l

 

[KoleDS]

I dont use the frame advance built into the emulator. I use debug menu and the tools it has (frame advance and animation information mostly). Check out this gamefaqs document for more information on the debug menu.

I've tried using that before, and I know how to get it to display the animation information at the top, and I know how to use the frame advance but I have no idea how to get my inputs recognized per frame. Say in the previous example, I'm trying to waveshine, I can do the debug pause, do the shine, and then frame advance and attempt to wavedash immediately afterwards, but it just doesn't work. The only way I can get anything to work is if I mash the buttons frantically as I'm hitting Z (the button to advance by 1 frame) and it's still very sloppy. I want to know how to do it flawlessly like in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1NfjkxsOhc

 

[KAOSTAR]

sounds like u just don't know how the game works.

pause the game...input shine, input jump when the shine comes out...hold direction and R on knee bend 3 and advance to the next frame.

prefect wave shine right there.

things to know...inputting any input on two consecutive frames is considered holding a button, not pressing it really fast. if u don't know when u can input certain actions it does u no good. u can get around knowing by alternating buttons such as inputting x, then y, then x to input jump on 3 consecutive frames. u can do the same with shield aka r/l for wd, l cancel, air dodging, c stick and direction plus a also work.

hope that helps u out a little bit. if u have specific questions such as when can u input things on a frame by frame lvl or how to do a specific combination frame perfectly, I can help with that as well.

 

[MTKO]

Could someone give me a definition of a mix up and some specific smash examples?

 

[john!]

if you do the same thing every time, the opponent will figure out a way around it. mixing things up keeps your opponent guessing.

example: falco always comes down from above with dair -> shine
opponent realizes that he needs to shield this and punish out of shield
falco sees this and mixes up by coming down with no aerial and simply grabbing their shield
opponent now has no single option that will always work and will get hit more often

 

[Kanelol]

is too much tech skill bad

because i feel like at this point im just throwing out superfluous triple shines/ wavelands/ moonwalks

 

[Superspright]

Depends on if it works, and who it works on. If that stuff works on your cousin who plays smash a couple of times a year--probably not so much. If it works on high tier players, probably is. But, triple shines aren't bad--but they don't hit on anyone except real fatties. Wavelands are important, and so are moonwalks (depending on character). Moonwalks allow you to space backward while facing forward or vice versa. Brawl has RAR (reverse aerial rush) so this is our only way of spacing bairs and fairs in a different way. Bairs can fly from a moonwalk. So it just depends. It is not terribly useful on stage--unless you're cf. But, it is useful to fly off for a bair on an edge-guard. Can give you that extra umph you need.

 

[Kanelol]

moonwalk --> reverse wavedash --> f-smash ***** the **** out of everything with marth

 

[Lovage]

does anyone know what causes the "double sound effect" glitch?

i expect 90% of people don't notice it, as it's one of those rare things you only kinda pick up after having played for years lol.

but sometimes when moves hit, you can hear like an overlapping double sound effect. it's kinda like a phantom for sounds LOL

 

[Bl@ckChris]

do you mean like for sheiks double upsmash, or other things?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

im usually pretty observant as far as things like that go, and i dont remember that poking out in my mind so that means it must be something i can explain. If you have video of it i might be able to tell ya

 

[Lovage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlkaDMiIpys#t=1m04s

you can hear it when armada nair's out of shield here.

after thinking about it more i have a couple theories