Proverbs
Smash Lord
Better question for the Falcon boards.
That and do moonwalk reverse Falcon Punches. Works every time.
That and do moonwalk reverse Falcon Punches. Works every time.
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Watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and you will be a better Falcon and smash player.
I've already watched 8 episodes. The only insight I've gotten from it is that I need a girl in a bikini top and short shorts next to me when I play.
Geist
Smash Master
I got alot better with Falcon after watching SS.
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KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
space nair.
teeman92
Smash Lord
what can a falco do if he's constantly attacked, rushed,constantly comboed and cant get up etc. i tried shied grabing, ducking, SHLing. it seems that a fast charather like fox easily mauls my falco.
shine out of shield.
teeman92
Smash Lord
so your saying instead of shield grabing, i shield shine instead?
well shield jc shine.
yeah dude, jump cancel shine out of shield and then if your shine didnt hit them you can do whatever you want from the shine. wavedash any way or start pillaring or what have you
Haaaaai Tom :D
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
do stuff win
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
1. Shield
2. Press up on the c-stick
3. Immediately shine
4. ????
5. Profit!
But seriously, even if you miss the shine (ie. you don't cancel it when you're on the ground, but you jump a bit), it's okay since you're Falco, and Falco LOVES jumping after hitting people with shine anyways.
HT F8
Hostile Takeover
O hai Mango.
You can JC Shine OoS with Up on the C-stick? O_O
I did not know this.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
Yeah, in shield up on the c-stick makes you jump. I figured JC Shine out of shield would work with the c-stick in the same way as it would with up/x/y.
Also, this doesn't really require another thread to ask this, so I'll just come here for general advice: I've started to notice that I don't really -think- when I play. I play pretty decently and occasionally surprise some of the better players when I play, but my major issue is that I don't really think. Arc tells me I should be doing more things to try to trick my opponent and goes on and describes something ridiculous complicated to do that (Remember, it's Arc. He does crazy things like figuring out people's tech patterns and stuff o_O;; ). Am I the only one that just doesn't do that sort of thing? So I'm sort of wondering where I can start with 'thinking' when I play. Because I don't keep in mind what I should be doing in a matchup or whatever. Certain things I know, like I know that I'll have an easier time comboing Marth at 0% than Fox, but I mean the more specific things. Like, I don't keep in mind that I should be sticking to grabs against spacies and what I can do to get that grab and things like that. I tend to just sort of...play.
Any suggestions for what I can do to start changing this? I'm just sort of at a loss for where to start. I know I'm a good player, but I'm seriously inhibited by the fact that I just sort of mess around and take advantage of combos when I get them and know how edgeguard. It's really what's keeping me from getting to the next level in my playstyle. Arc tells me I'm still in 'combo video mode.' Can anyone relate and tell me what they did to get past this?
HT F8
Hostile Takeover
...WOW. I feel so stupid! LMFAO.
I forgot about that... same thing you can use to buffer a jump/roll/spotdodge.
Wow. -_-
Brbpracticetiem.
It's the easiest way to do it. Like, actually.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
Anyone, but the only characters I play seriously right now are Marth and Falcon. I think the only reason I can hold my own in matches against people who -do- think, is just because I play so erratically. Like, I just do really weird things. Like sometimes I edgeguard with Marth's forward air from the edge...in the wrong direction (and it works). Or like, with Falcon I was playing against ArcNatural and I stomped him, but he teched it (I guess he was in the middle of jumping), but I ledgecanceled the stomp and just restomped him right after the tech to a knee (or maybe I missed the knee). But I do really random things like that. And that's great and all, if I can start doing more of those things with purpose and on purpose.
LOL i love accidental sweet things.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
^I literally do them ALL the time. It's ridiculous. I'd say that like 30% of the mistakes I make end up being ridiculously epic. Twice I've meant to wavedash, grab the edge, and then do ledgehop down-air with Marth and instead I've just fast-falled and DJ down-aired as they tried to recover--for the end of the match, both times. It sounds kinda simple, but you have to understand, it happens in like half a second and since both times it happened on Pokemon Stadium, you couldn't even see what happened and both times the people I played against just looked at me like "What the heck just happened?" It's pretty amazing.
Oh, and that reverse f-tilt to edgeguard was against Scar XD But he made it back anyway ;(
Oh, and that reverse f-tilt to edgeguard was against Scar XD But he made it back anyway ;(
metashinryu
Smash Ace
yeah, that happens to me sometimes,but is fine since my playstyle is more of a speed demon than a mindgame master,but i do think stuff between combos before doing an action now that im playing people better than me, maybe thats what you need bro
In order to outthink your opponent, you need to know what he is thinking. So observe your opponent.
Man I loved reading this.
Proverbs the only thing I can say is experience. Learn that observing your opponent is the best way to beat them.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
I get that, it's just that I often don't know what to look for, y'know?
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Well you could first start by finding patterns. The easiest is how they tech (away, in place, or towards). Then you could work on how they approach. Do they overshoot their attacks/grabs in an attempt to catch you if you dash dance away? etc. etc.
Also, if you know if their playstyle is aggressive or passive, it also helps.
Proverbs
Smash Lord
Yeah...I can probably do this a little easier on people who aren't Arc. I'll try this out more when I go back for summer break.
teeman92
Smash Lord
so i did what you guy recommended me. results:.....*****...i havent won a game, even against a mario
im noticing i can combo anyone in the air, withot someone instanly Nair, and knocking me back. he does this almost like the computer.
im noticing i can combo anyone in the air, withot someone instanly Nair, and knocking me back. he does this almost like the computer.
Teeman, there is nothing more we can tell you. Practice the ATs, get more fluidity and watch videos to learn the game.
You've been playing for two years you have no more johns available to you, you've exhausted your supply.
We've given you so much advice for the past two years, the only thing left to do is hire someone that actually has tried to get better at the game to hold the controller for you.
You practice ATs for one or two days, then get ***** as you implement them, then you say they don't work and stop trying to do it.. then you do it all over again.
You've been playing for two years you have no more johns available to you, you've exhausted your supply.
We've given you so much advice for the past two years, the only thing left to do is hire someone that actually has tried to get better at the game to hold the controller for you.
You practice ATs for one or two days, then get ***** as you implement them, then you say they don't work and stop trying to do it.. then you do it all over again.
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Space better. Switch it up. Instead of pillaring with dair shine / nair shine, do things like dair shine jc grab, or dair double shine.
If you're being too aggressive, play passive. Shoot some lasers and let them come to you and make mistakes.
Experience makes everything better. It will solve your problem Proverbs, and yours teeman. Teeman you can't just try out what we say once or twice and get wrecked for it and proclaim it doesn't work. You need to know how to best apply everything. Stop johning when we try to help you.
teeman92
Smash Lord
halcyon.days
Smash Journeyman
Practice ATs by yourself so you can do them without thinking, then implement them into your game.
And don't make finding someone to play out to be THAT difficult. Sometimes you have to make arrangements, but you can ALWAYS find someone to play.
metashinryu
Smash Ace
play someone that is at the same level as you(or you think is even with you)or someone better than you,you shouldnt play people who dont use AT since they mess up your gaming and you cant keep up with them and you actually feel you are playing slower/worse
try finding someone better than you,it helps you improve because it forces you to play at their pace and think before acting
in my personal experience i get craploads better when i play people above my level since i try to keep up with them and fasten/speed-up(sorry but i dont know how to spell that) my game
Pi
Smash Hero
Does light shielding have more shield hit stun
And can you tech with Z?
And can you tech with Z?
I'm not 100% on either of these but...
I believe it is the same, but you get knocked much farther away in the light shield. So, getting hit by a strong move in a light shield will send you flying away so you might as well be in shield stun if you are trying to counter attack out of the shield since you will have to get back in suitable range to do anything.
I would say no since the Z button has a different utility in the air for every character. Z acts as a pseudo A button, not R or L. On the ground you do a grab and THEN it goes to shield, but it still does the grab first. I don't think, in the mechanics of what the button does, that you can replicate what the triggers do with Z.
Binx
Smash Master
Lightshielding has the same hitstun
you can l cancel with Z and I think you can tech with it also but not entirely sure.
Oracle
Smash Master
Yeah you can tech with it. Z is a dumb macro anyways for a and R (pressed down halfway), which is why you accidentally light shield some times