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IIRC, fox is one of the best at escaping chaingrabs, and has no infinites on him ;>_<
oh its quite simple. if arguments persist as to why one character should be higher, hopefully that would encourage others to actually TRY playing said character, and maybe they too would realise why that character is actually quite good. the converse of course, which plagues this thread like no other, is people will continue making idiotic assumptions about low-tier characters (like sonic has a gimpable recovery. GG to gimping invincibility frames), idiots read these assumptions, tell thier idiot friends and suddenly everyone has the wrong ideas about all the characters not named snake/MK.I don't understand people who WANT their character to be higher. I would rather kick *** with a low tiered character, even if they shouldn't be there in the first place
Not just that. He can't camp efficiently & has a gimpable recovery. He's more of a middle tier character.
Is there like, any reason at all Lucario is below fricken Peach >_>. Ike isn't quite that bad either. I Don't think DK, the ICs, or Fox are that good either.
not bad at all. TL has to move down due to the fact that he really doesnt win tournamets at all anymore and that people have proved his matchups to not be as good as people once thought. Zelda has to move down for just about the same reason, and DDD has to be moved up to top. DK should really be moved up too just because of the fact that he practically counters the god tiers. Besides that, pretty accurate tier list
I decide who is in the SFR. I control the document. I control all. All suggestions must be run by me first. Then I may the big important decisions, because that is just how high up I am in the SFR.
Nonetheless, Sonic is doing better on the tournament scene. I'll probably move Yoshi down though because of his poor tournament standings.
Stop hatin on Sonic and YoshiStop hatin on the Princess
She's below Sonic and Yoshi? Wtf?
I don't know if anyone answered my post earlier about Bottom Tier... dont want to look backlike 20 pages. So I'll say it here again. IMO, the bottom tier and low tiers don't have too big of a gap in level, at least at this current time. I think that the Bottom Tier should be added to the Low Tier, or the Bottoms added to the Lows and some of the Lows to Lower Mid, or add Bottom Tier to Low Tier and then make Upper Low Tier and Lower Low Tier, etc. or a combination fo these. Bottom Tier usually only has about 3 people in it anyways
ok, well here's a few of my personal opinions on why peach should be placed higher.
Still, her turnips got nerfed. Most characters can outspam her turnips & those that can't can catch them relatively easily. Granted, they are good at edgeguarding. She also has a bad weight-size ratio & a lack of kill moves. Personal experience vs *insert top tier character here* is irrelevant. And for the record, at least one fourth of the character boards believe their character is a Snake counter. Even if she was a Snake counter, that doesn't instantly make her higher.
yeah, im not saying cuz she's a snake counter thats the only reason she should be higher, and yeah, if the opponent catches ur turnip they only have one option and that is to throw the turnip back or use a B move, thats part of the strategy, if ur opponent catches my turnip i have a few options to punish, i can Fair, use Toad, or just avoid it or catch it in return, turnips didn't really get nerfed too much considering all they were ever used for in melee was spacing and approach, and they still serve the same purpose, and she really doesn't have any problems with KO's , her Fair and Bair sweetspots K.O. fairly early and her Usmash and Utilt are insanely powerful, especially sweetspotted Usmash.
Catching the turnip gives let's you block the next turnip, thus effectively stopping turnip camping. True fair & Toad will block the turnip, but what if the turnip is above Peach thus baiting her the aforementioned attacks. Fair is telegraphed & usmash needs to sweetspotted. Utilt & bair are fine though. I'm not saying she's garbage, she's just worse than the characters above her.
aerials don't clank.
