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Trying to get the word out everywhere. Not everyone goes to Tourny Forums looking for OOS tournies.
Falco>D3?
These are some strong opinions. I didn't need this much criticism. I'd like to have a few pointers here and there suggesting placement for a couple characters, not half the cast. thanks for taking the time though. preciate it.
I'll probably move Wario up a little. Sonic can move up a little, maybe just above Mario, but below ness? sound good? DK can move up later if he continues to get better.
I addressed wario. Olimar? i'm not sure about him. I'm biased, if I do say so myself, so he'll probably not move too much. DDD could move up with olimar, but I'm placing DDD past him.
He'll probably move to top tier once people realize their potential. He was above snake on mine until everyone commented on it. (he's secretly in a hidden section called "future banned" on my list)
woa, news to me. I'm not even going to say what I thought it meant, and I've used it several times before... ... ...
no doubt in my mind. This is true. I like to use him to show people who's boss in these parts and to show his moves.
While your opinions are very strong, they're just that, opinions. Tier list have to be based off of facts and I'm able to provide the facts when needed. There is no need to argue that R.O.B. is ridiculous in combat, but the thing that puts him apart from Falco is his weight and recovery. Both are great campers and have excellent all around fighting skills. His fair can WoP, his dtilt is crazy fast, trips frequently and can be used in conjunction with his gyroscope for massive damage, and he gimps much easier than Falco ever can. The other that sets him apart from Falco is results. I know you base your opinions on potential, but tier lists are based on potential and results. As good as Falco is, his tourney standings don't reflect it. He is doing better, but as of right now, R.O.B. should have the 4th spot. Marth snags 5th because he is still crazy. He can be camped but is also speedy enough to approach campers and we all know what happens if you let Marth get close. Falco snags 6th simply because he is still that good and will still destroy you. Toon Link is a great camper with great face to face skills (WoP bair, Melee style Marth nair, great tilts, etc.) but as I said before, tourney results are also part of a tier list and ignoring them is ignoring the metagame which is why a tier list is made. Toon Link doesn't match his potential in tournaments. As for the names, they just make it sound misleading. Calling DK and Luigi "below average" is just irresponsible, DK is in the top 10 ranked tourney characters. That's not at all below average. Tier lists based on opinion are not the way to go. Every character must be analyzed to the utmost scrutiny and how well they are played should also be factored in as well. Tier lists define the metagame and basing one on your opinion only is creating a metagame based on opinion.
Such a truthful statement, and your sig is ****, my fav movie series ever <3
Are you sure Dedede is better top-tier material than Falco? Rest of that list looks good, though.
Bowser should probably be bottom of mid at worst, Olimar should definitely be in high somewhere, Lucario might be bottom of high or top of mid. Also Charizard is somewhere in mid. Ivysaur shouldn't be bottom, probably low, though. Mario's better than everyone in Low tier or below, excluding Charizard and Bowser who should be higher up anyway.
Why is Ivysaur so low? Bad recovery =/= bottom tier. And Bowser is too low also, so is Charizard.
IMO Ike should be low tier. He has become way to predictable, and anyone with a speed advantage should be able to take him. G&W's placement should be third. That guys got a great chasing game, powerful finishers, and good priority on most of his moves. I don't believe King Dedede is better than Pikachu. Sonics placement in bottom tier is probably a bad decision on your part. His spring gimps recoveries, his uair has a great chaining ability, and he has a decent chase game. Switch him with Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff may be able to do a WoP and her air game may be above average, but when you die at ridiculously low percents it sort of compensates for all of those qualities. It is a pretty good tier list nonetheless.
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I agree with this. Bottom of Mid sounds more appropriate than Low Tier, but that is likely bias on my part. I can imagine PT's flaws making him easily gimped, but the Pokemon themselves are good.
And you're an idiot!
Did I confirm what you said? I was simply stating that Snake is Meta Knight's best counter in the game. A character's counter is not necessarily better than them. Meta Knight has more favorable match-ups than Snake and the tournament results are very close. I was stating that the tournament results are skewed because if you know someone is going to use Meta in the finals off the bat, wouldn't it be wise to use Snake as opposed to your main who is more than likely disadvantaged? In this case wouldn't Snake get the credit for the win and not your main who won the bulk of you matches? As far as one on one goes, yes Snake is better than Meta Knight. But to create a tier list, you must factor in performance against all characters and real life performance. I've already stated that the tournament standings are very close (and both of them are still way above the competition) and Meta Knight matches up with the rest of the cast far better. One bad match-up in the top tier is not enough to push Meta Knight down.
